professional board making
2009-05-18 by Brian
who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking. Brian
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professional board making
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by Jack Coats
I forget where I saw it, but I saw a group that has Chinese connections, and once a month they send a 'pack' off to be processed. They come back about a month later (not via airmail). They then un-bundle the various boards and re-ship to the ordering individuals. ... I seem to remember it may have been a sideline at Sparkfun, but I could be wrong. ... I found it, batchpcb.com ... it was on a link from sparkfun.com I hope this helps. IHS ... Jack
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On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Brian <blue_eagle74@...> wrote: > who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking. > > Brian > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by Stefan Trethan
I thought they used Olimex? Olimex is located somewhere in eastern Europe I think, not China, but then I may be wrong. If you need whole panels it is probably better to go directly to Olimex instead. There was also a guy in Turkey, I forgot the URL but he posted here a good while ago. Seemed decent enough and the prices were OK. ST
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Jack Coats <jack@...> wrote: > I forget where I saw it, but I saw a group that has Chinese > connections, and once > a month they send a 'pack' off to be processed. They come back about a month > later (not via airmail). They then un-bundle the various boards and > re-ship to the > ordering individuals. ... I seem to remember it may have been a > sideline at Sparkfun, > but I could be wrong. > > ... I found it, batchpcb.com ... it was on a link from sparkfun.com > > I hope this helps. > > IHS ... Jack > >
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by leon Heller
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From: "Stefan Trethan" <stefan_trethan@...> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making I thought they used Olimex? Olimex is located somewhere in eastern Europe I think, not China, but then I may be wrong. If you need whole panels it is probably better to go directly to Olimex instead. The SFE BatchPCB boards are made in China by Gold Phoenix. Leon
RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by Brian Schmalz
Yup, it's BatchPCB.com. I've used their service many times, and have been happy with it. They use a company in China called Gold Phoenix (which is also where SparkFun gets all of its bare boards made - for the products they build themselves). BatchPCB sends of a panel every other day or so to Gold Phoenix (they are very busy) so you usually get your boards in 20 days or less total time. BatchPCB is run by the same people that run SparkFun. I was so pleased with BatchPCB that I started using Gold Phoenix's prototype PCB service myself. They allow you to put as many designs on a panel as you want, and they will depanalize them for you. Ends up being about $130 for a 6 day turn including shipping. 155 sq inches. I used to make boards myself at home until I started making enough that going to Gold Phoenix became a better choice. I still etch at home every now and then if I want to try something real quick. *Brian
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From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack Coats Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:26 AM To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making I forget where I saw it, but I saw a group that has Chinese connections, and once a month they send a 'pack' off to be processed. They come back about a month later (not via airmail). They then un-bundle the various boards and re-ship to the ordering individuals. ... I seem to remember it may have been a sideline at Sparkfun, but I could be wrong. ... I found it, batchpcb.com ... it was on a link from sparkfun.com I hope this helps. IHS ... Jack On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Brian <blue_eagle74@... <mailto:blue_eagle74%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking. > > Brian > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by Viper62pr
I have been using Gold Phoenix for over a year now, it usually takes 10 days from the time I send in my gerbers to the time it arrives here. Shipping to the US is included in the price. I was thinking of doing my prototype boards at home but don't want to mess with chemicals. --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Brian <blue_eagle74@...> wrote:
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From: Brian <blue_eagle74@...>
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 1:32 AM
who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking.
Brian
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2009-05-18 by Henry Liu
I asked this question before and I have used http://www.silvercircuits.com/ with great success. $40 for your basic 1 board + $12 shipping Panel service available also. There lead time is pretty reasonable (<1 week). Making your own pcbs is cool but unless it's for a single sided board, it's way easier to send it off for $40. I've experimented with several different methods. CNC mill is pretty painless but by no means fast. Nice part is that with a system with an auto tool change, you can mill the board and drill the holes in one step. Takes an hour or two to mill out a board but probably takes me an hour or two to align the vice and double check pcb-gcode isn't doing something funny. Inkjet printing works ok but then you still need to drill the holes. Both require pretty careful alignment in flipping the board over to do the other side. Finally, those drill bits and tools wear out pretty quickly too. I got both working but the real thing that made me give up was the solder mask. I absolutely need it for fine trace parts otherwise the soldering process just spills over and it takes me forever to clean it up. If you need a milled pcb, I just use a praxxon scroll saw: http://www.amazon.com/Proxxon-37088-115-Scroll-Saw/dp/B0017NUBMQ I don't know maybe I'm just getting lazy but I have a hard time justifying making my own boards unless I'm a super rush or make more than 1 design a week.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Viper62pr <viper62pr@...> wrote: > > > I have been using Gold Phoenix for over a year now, it usually takes 10 days > from the time I send in my gerbers to the time it arrives here. Shipping to > the US is included in the price. > I was thinking of doing my prototype boards at home but don't want to mess > with chemicals. > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Brian <blue_eagle74@...> wrote: > > From: Brian <blue_eagle74@...> > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 1:32 AM > > who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking. > > Brian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by Jack Coats
In all this, I guess we haven't said which is the 'cheapest'. If you come up with a 'good answer' or 'time vs $' sheet for yourself, sharing it with the rest of us would be appreciated! :)
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-18 by Henry Liu
Does gold phoenix have a prototype board service? Min price out the door seems to be $100 for 100 sq inches. I'm always on the lookout for cheapest min order as most of my boards are 1 offs. Silvercircuits can get it done for about $54.
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On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Viper62pr <viper62pr@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I have been using Gold Phoenix for over a year now, it usually takes 10 days > from the time I send in my gerbers to the time it arrives here. Shipping to > the US is included in the price. > I was thinking of doing my prototype boards at home but don't want to mess > with chemicals. > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Brian <blue_eagle74@...> wrote: > > From: Brian <blue_eagle74@...> > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 1:32 AM > > who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking. > > Brian > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
Re: professional board making
2009-05-19 by Brian
I checked out Phoenix. seems pretty good. I am using eagle cad. Could anyone tell me how to make the files to send them? This is all new to me. --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Viper62pr <viper62pr@...> wrote:
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> > I have been using Gold Phoenix for over a year now, it usually takes 10 days from the time I send in my gerbers to the time it arrives here. Shipping to the US is included in the price. > I was thinking of doing my prototype boards at home but don't want to mess with chemicals. > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Brian <blue_eagle74@...> wrote: > > > From: Brian <blue_eagle74@...> > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 1:32 AM > > > > > > > > > who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with masking. > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: professional board making
2009-05-19 by Viper62pr
This is one way I do it To make a Gerber file. THIS IS FOR 2 SIDED BOARDS ONLY. Goto File-Cam Processor or use the CAM button In the CAM processor goto File-Open-Board and open the board file. Then goto File-Open-Job and double click on Gerb274x.cam. Click on each job tab and make sure the mirror option is not selected, if it is unselect them. Click on Process Job Then goto the Eagle control panel and expand CAM Jobs Double click on Excellon File-Open-Board and open the board file. Make sure mirror is not checked, the only layers that should be selected are 44 and 45. Make sure Output Device is EXCELLON 2 files will be created, a .drd and a .dri, the .dri file is not needed. I Hope this helps --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Brian <blue_eagle74@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:04 PM
I checked out Phoenix. seems pretty good. I am using eagle cad. Could anyone tell me how to make the files to send them? This is all new to me.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
2009-05-19 by Viper62pr
I think the minimum is 100 sq. in. I usually use the 155 sq. in. option. I also think production quantity starts at 1600 sq. in. The price includes Fed Ex shipping to the U.S. Soldermask and component side silkscreen are included. I also make mine lead free which is a little more ($20). --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Henry Liu <henryjliu@...> wrote:
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From: Henry Liu <henryjliu@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 2:48 PM
Does gold phoenix have a prototype board service? Min price out the
door seems to be $100 for 100 sq inches. I'm always on the lookout
for cheapest min order as most of my boards are 1 offs.
Silvercircuits can get it done for about $54.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: professional board making
2009-05-19 by Piers Goodhew
SparkFun have some gerber batch files for Eagle for use with BatchPCB.com, which produce the various masks/screens/layers and a drill file (and which are somehow different to the built-in Eagle gerber template). I assume that it would be a really good starting point for working direct w/- Phoenix. they're called sfe-gerb274x.cam, found them somewhere on sfe or batchPCB ... there's quite a nice Eagle/BatchPCB tutorial at http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_info.php?tutorials_id=109 disclaimer: no affliliation and I have not even used their service personally PG
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On 19/05/2009, at 12:04 PM, Brian wrote: > > > I checked out Phoenix. seems pretty good. I am using eagle cad. > Could anyone tell me how to make the files to send them? This is all > new to me. > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Viper62pr <viper62pr@...> wrote: > > > > I have been using Gold Phoenix for over a year now, it usually > takes 10 days from the time I send in my gerbers to the time it > arrives here. Shipping to the US is included in the price. > > I was thinking of doing my prototype boards at home but don't want > to mess with chemicals. > > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Brian <blue_eagle74@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Brian <blue_eagle74@...> > > Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] professional board making > > To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 1:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is the cheapest and best to use for panalized boards with > masking. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >