Homebrew PCBs

I seem to recall someone here mentioning that they didn't care for 
this Yahoo layout. I've got many a gripe with it as well, and am 
thinking about moving it to Forte's Agent program (where I do my email 
and newsgroups). I'd mainly like the collapseable/linked threads, so I 
can pass the messages that are out of my league.

Are any of these quirks something that a moderator from here is 
handling, or can they be modified somewhere (other than the email/
digest preferences)?

                           -Thanks!
George

soffee83 wrote:

>Are any of these quirks something that a moderator from here is 
>handling, or can they be modified somewhere (other than the email/
>digest preferences)?
>
>                           -Thanks!
>George
>  
>
  Options are pretty limited at Yahoo..  I set aside some space, and I 
think Steve got the domain name so it could be set up too, but hasn't 
had the time to look at it much yet.  Like most, no doubt a bit busy 
with other things this time of year.  Heck I should be doing other 
things right now myself!  ;)  Could even set up PHPBBS etc and start 
doing a more normal web based forum, but that would entail even more 
work just for the setup that isn't absolutely necessary at the moment..

Alan

Hi Alan,

>   Options are pretty limited at Yahoo..  I set aside some space, and I
> think Steve got the domain name so it could be set up too, but hasn't
> had the time to look at it much yet.  Like most, no doubt a bit busy
> with other things this time of year.  Heck I should be doing other
> things right now myself!  ;)  Could even set up PHPBBS etc and start
> doing a more normal web based forum, but that would entail even more
> work just for the setup that isn't absolutely necessary at the moment..

Besides which, personally, I hate web forums, because almost all of
them require me to poll to see to new messages.

With email, they show up in my email, and I have rules to sort them
into separate folders. I don't need to poll.

--
Dave Hylands
Vancouver, BC, Canada
http://www.DaveHylands.com/

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Alan King wrote:

> soffee83 wrote:
>
> >Are any of these quirks something that a moderator from here is
> >handling, or can they be modified somewhere (other than the email/
> >digest preferences)?
>   Options are pretty limited at Yahoo..  I set aside some space, and I
> think Steve got the domain name so it could be set up too, but hasn't
> had the time to look at it much yet.  Like most, no doubt a bit busy
> with other things this time of year.  Heck I should be doing other
> things right now myself!  ;)  Could even set up PHPBBS etc and start
> doing a more normal web based forum, but that would entail even more
> work just for the setup that isn't absolutely necessary at the moment..

Ugh!  Please, no web-based forum stuff!  If you want to go anywhere near
that, please consider Mailman instead.  Check
http://lists.feedle.net/mailman/listinfo/ and see if that's something
you'd want.  I'm sure I can get feedle.net to host this pcb list.



-- 
David Griffith
dgriffi@...

Dave Hylands wrote:

>
>With email, they show up in my email, and I have rules to sort them
>into separate folders. I don't need to poll.
>
>  
>


  You're not considering opening your email program, receiving, and 
looking at the folder to see if there are new messages 'polling'?  It is 
simply something you are used to doing.  For that matter, it would be 
fairly trivial to have an 'email' program that also pulled in the 
messages from a board, just like you like.  Heck, it's probably out 
there, I have had the idea a time or two before but never looked really.

Alan

Alan King wrote:
> Dave Hylands wrote:
> 
>>With email, they show up in my email, and I have rules to sort them
>>into separate folders. I don't need to poll.
> 
>   You're not considering opening your email program, receiving, and 
> looking at the folder to see if there are new messages 'polling'?  It is 
> simply something you are used to doing.

I start mozilla in the morning and look at it periodically thru the
day when it beeps about new messages. Absolutely no polling involved.

> For that matter, it would be 
> fairly trivial to have an 'email' program that also pulled in the 
> messages from a board, just like you like.  Heck, it's probably out 
> there, I have had the idea a time or two before but never looked really.

Web boards are redundant when there's email lists.

HI Alan,

> >With email, they show up in my email, and I have rules to sort them
> >into separate folders. I don't need to poll.
>
>   You're not considering opening your email program, receiving, and
> looking at the folder to see if there are new messages 'polling'?  It is
> simply something you are used to doing.  For that matter, it would be
> fairly trivial to have an 'email' program that also pulled in the
> messages from a board, just like you like.  Heck, it's probably out
> there, I have had the idea a time or two before but never looked really.

Well, my email program is always open, and it automatically receives
new messages.
Then with one quick glance, I've checked the equivalent of 50 forums.
I don't even need to look in the folders to see if something is there,
because if there are unread messages, the folder name is in bold and
has the number of unread messages in parenthesis beside it.

--
Dave Hylands
Vancouver, BC, Canada
http://www.DaveHylands.com/

> I seem to recall someone here mentioning that they didn't care for
> this Yahoo layout. I've got many a gripe with it as well, and am
> thinking about moving it to Forte's Agent program (where I do my email
> and newsgroups). I'd mainly like the collapseable/linked threads, so I
> can pass the messages that are out of my league.

I've found that gmail does a pretty good job of keeping the related
messages together. If anybody wants an invite, let me know.

gmail also does a good job of hiding quoted text (but you can still
make it visible) when you get multiple replies.

And by setting my preference (on the Yahoo group) to not convert HTML
to text, I don't have to put up with the ads either (at least not for
most of the emails).

--
Dave Hylands
Vancouver, BC, Canada
http://www.DaveHylands.com/

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Russell Shaw <rjshaw@n...> wrote:
>
<snip>
> 
> Web boards are redundant when there's email lists.
>

There's no reason that you have to use the web site to read messages. 
You can just set your group preferences to 'Individual Emails'. 

Regards, Bob

I guess Agent is out for me :(

After chasing my tail around the Yahoo site, it looks like external 
mail (group) reading is only available on a paid Yahoo account.

I can deal with web forums or Agent (all text). The only things that 
bother me a bit are the non-collapseable threads and it's way of "hard 
coding" the carriage returns or whatever into the post previews (sort 
of sucks if you go back to change anything). Just occurred to me I can 
probably avoid that if I do "back" in the browser rather than using 
their edit button.

-George

Hi George,

> I guess Agent is out for me :(
>
> After chasing my tail around the Yahoo site, it looks like external
> mail (group) reading is only available on a paid Yahoo account.

Huh? I don't have a paid Yahoo account (actually I don't even have an
unpaid Yahoo account if you're talking about email), and I read all of
my Yahoo groups using an external mail program.

> I can deal with web forums or Agent (all text). The only things that
> bother me a bit are the non-collapseable threads and it's way of "hard
> coding" the carriage returns or whatever into the post previews (sort
> of sucks if you go back to change anything). Just occurred to me I can
> probably avoid that if I do "back" in the browser rather than using
> their edit button.

Or use gmail....

--
Dave Hylands
Vancouver, BC, Canada
http://www.DaveHylands.com/

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Dave Hylands" <dhylands@...>


> Or use gmail....

There are some rather severe personal privacy issues with gmail. I hate 
alarmist thought and thinking, but this needs to be said. Your service 
agreement with Google places very few restrictions on how Google can use 
your personal information and email contents. We're all adults here and can 
make our own decisions, but this is one decision you want to make 
consciously. It needed to be said, and now it's said. Someone else can do 
this next time...

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Dave Hylands <dhylands@g...> 
wrote:
> Huh? I don't have a paid Yahoo account (actually I don't even have 
>an unpaid Yahoo account if you're talking about email), and I read 
>all of my Yahoo groups using an external mail program.

Dave,

Thanks. I don't know if something's changed now. If someone knows how 
to set the pop prefs or whatever maybe I could get it going. Agent 
shouldn't have any trouble as long as you know the details for what 
you're using.

There were a bunch of newsgroup postings about it by people who 
sounded knowledgeable. They seemed to say that the $19.95 (yearly?) 
account has everything, and there was some other weird free method 
which involved agreeing to receive two simple spam type offers which 
you could ignore or something. The Yahoo mail help had a section for 
setting up external mail, but the instructions referred to a link 
button which doesn't appear on my page (the first few instructions 
were valid). It looked like it was all for Yahoo Mail "Plus" or 
something.

It's no biggie. It could all just be that my chosen contact here is 
the Yahoo address. Perhaps I can look into adding an alternate non-
Yahoo email to my Yahoo account and using that for the group?? Like 
most of you, my main primary is through my ISP, but I'm careful not to 
use that on the web,etc. I can probably get a second one.

                              -Take Care
George

Furthermore... I failed to mention the privacy impact on anyone who writes 
to you at that account. This includes me and everyone else on the list. 
Beyond simply archiving newsgroup content, which was DejaNews's and Google's 
start, gmail now has insidious portals into private and public mailing 
lists. What an incredible coup for data mining! Mountain comes to Mohammed.

Last, this "invitation" business is particularly offensive. It reminds me of 
a story about a young boy named Tom Sawyer. Aside from that, what an 
incredible work of piece of legal and societal manipulation. You not only 
volunteered to be infected, you had to actively seek out an infection 
source.

It's too late to becry where this is taking us, and please don't take any 
part of this as a personal attack. We were headed there from the beginning. 
I live in a home paid for in part by revenues from a very large market 
research company (my wife, not me). I'm just surprised to find us so far 
along that road so quickly. Some days, I feel like Rip Van Winkle awaking 
after a brief nap.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Mike Young" <mikewhy@...>


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Hylands" <dhylands@...>
>
>
>> Or use gmail....
>
> There are some rather severe personal privacy issues with gmail. I hate
> alarmist thought and thinking, but this needs to be said. Your service
> agreement with Google places very few restrictions on how Google can use
> your personal information and email contents. We're all adults here and 
> can
> make our own decisions, but this is one decision you want to make
> consciously. It needed to be said, and now it's said. Someone else can do
> this next time...
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and 
> Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
>
> If Files or Photos are running short of space, post them here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs_Archives/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > Or use gmail....
>
> There are some rather severe personal privacy issues with gmail.
...snip...

Yeah, but if you're just using it to receive Yahoo group messages.

The information in the Yahoo groups is all available to everyone else
on the internet too, so its not like it's "personal".

--
Dave Hylands
Vancouver, BC, Canada
http://www.DaveHylands.com/

In article <c32efac40512082224j64f5415ak730ecb269796cc9@...>,
   Dave Hylands <dhylands@...> wrote:
> Besides which, personally, I hate web forums,

Agreed.

> With email, they show up in my email, and I have rules to sort them
> into separate folders. I don't need to poll.

Same here. It is also then easy to sort by date (up/down), author,
subject, length, catagory, status, month, source, domain and show threads
by tree or ladder. Different levels of quoting show up in different
colours and I can search using a whole host of parameters.

I have every post to this group, since I subscribed, archived here on my
machine readilly accessible.