Yahoo Groups archive
Thread
2010-03-05 by dd_62622
Hi, I wonder .,did anybody tried to communicate with the IIx using the parallel port on the Q133 card. When reading the cmi mainframe service manual (page 22) I read about 2 general purpose parallel ports.(PIA) this is the part after the (ACIA's) on page 21. Is there a possability for IIx users to construct a connection between the cmi and a ibm or mac ? cheers, David
2010-03-05 by Jean-Bernard EMOND
Hehe... Le 5 mars 10 à 16:22, dd_62622 a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I wonder .,did anybody tried to communicate with the IIx using the
> parallel port on the Q133 card.
>
> When reading the cmi mainframe service manual (page 22)
> I read about 2 general purpose parallel ports.(PIA)
>
> this is the part after the (ACIA's) on page 21.
>
> Is there a possability for IIx users to construct a connection
> between the cmi and a ibm or mac ?
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
> <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial;
> margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid
> #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-
> weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads
> { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-
> mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor
> #ygrp-lc { font-family: Arial; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd
> { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%; line-height:
> 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px; padding:
> 0 0; } a { color: #1e66ae; } #actions { font-family: Verdana; font-
> size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color:
> #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px;
> padding: 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity
> span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a
> { color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span
> { color: #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration:
> underline; } .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family:
> Arial; font-size: 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach
> div a { text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none;
> padding-right: 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-
> bottom: 5px; } .attach label a { text-decoration: none; }
> blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; } .bold { font-family: Arial; font-
> size: 13px; font-weight: 700; } .bold a { text-decoration: none; }
> dd.last p a { font-family: Verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p
> span { margin-right: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-weight:
> 700; } dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right: 0; } div.attach-
> table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table
> { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active,
> div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration:
> none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-
> title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; }
> div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family:
> Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color:
> #628c2a; } .MsoNormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; }
> #photos div { float: left; width: 72px; } #photos div div { border:
> 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; }
> #photos div label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow:
> hidden; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; }
> #reco-category { font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size:
> 77%; } .replbq { margin: 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { /*
> border-right: 0px solid #000;*/ margin-right: 2px; padding-right:
> 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg { font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial,
> helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size: small; *font: x-small; }
> #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg
> select, input, textarea { font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-
> serif; } #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code { font:115% monospace; *font-size:
> 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg * { line-height: 1.22em; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo
> { padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } #ygrp-
> msg p a { font-family: Verdana; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span
> { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco #reco-head
> { color: #ff7900; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco { margin-
> bottom: 20px; padding: 0px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a { font-size:
> 130%; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li { font-size:
> 77%; list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov
> ul { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 8px; } #ygrp-text { font-family:
> Georgia; } #ygrp-text p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-text tt { font-
> size: 120%; } #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right: none !
> important; } -->2010-03-05 by Gordon JC Pearce
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 15:22 +0000, dd_62622 wrote: > Is there a possability for IIx users to construct a connection between the cmi and a ibm or mac ? Get me a IIx and a manual, and I'll see what I can do ;-) Seriously - if you can convince the Fairlight to spit data over the parallel connection then you can hook it up to some sort of interface. Possibly one of the FTDI interfaces that presents an 8-bit parallel port and appears to be a generic serial port? Maybe you could use a microcontroller board like an Arduino to offload some of the data mangling and buffering. Gordon MM0YEQ
2010-03-05 by Greg Holmes
On my Series II, I don't recall any parallel ports, but there was a serial printer port. I even had a small board that went into the Epson FX80+ dot matrix printer that added a serial interface to the printer, so I could print to the Epson from the CMI. I wrote a bit of software for the CMI and used the CMI serial port to transfer files from the Fairlight to a PC. I transferred a couple of VC files that way - essentially exact "digital" file copies - and then extracted the waveforms to WAV files (8bits resolution and 16KB in length). I could have developed it further to transfer entire disks (thus archiving everything), but I ran out of time/money. This was in the mid 1990s or so. I still have the CMI, printer, cables, etc., but I doubt I'll work on it again. I'd sell it all if the right person comes along. However (after giving this many years of thought), I believe that the best approach would be to build a floppy drive emulator/interface which would intercept all floppy disk data (bidirectionally) and send it to a USB connection. The device would be inserted in the CMI's floppy ribbon cable(s), and be completely invisible to the CMI - thus, no CMI software changes, and it would work on all CMI models. I think that I have detailed this before in this group. On 2010-03-05 10:22, dd_62622 wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder .,did anybody tried to communicate with the IIx using the parallel port on the Q133 card. > > When reading the cmi mainframe service manual (page 22) > I read about 2 general purpose parallel ports.(PIA) > > this is the part after the (ACIA's) on page 21. > > Is there a possability for IIx users to construct a connection between the cmi and a ibm or mac ? > > cheers, > David -- Greg Holmes GH Services, Ontario, Canada http://www.ghservices.com/ http://www.gregholmes.com/
2010-03-06 by Jean-Bernard EMOND
If you want use serial port's on CMI II and IIx look here : <http://www.jsigle.com/prog/cmi/> JB Le 5 mars 10 à 23:13, Greg Holmes a écrit :
>
> On my Series II, I don't recall any parallel ports, but there was a
> serial printer port. I even had a small board that went into the Epson
> FX80+ dot matrix printer that added a serial interface to the printer,
> so I could print to the Epson from the CMI.
>
> I wrote a bit of software for the CMI and used the CMI serial port to
> transfer files from the Fairlight to a PC. I transferred a couple
> of VC
> files that way - essentially exact "digital" file copies - and then
> extracted the waveforms to WAV files (8bits resolution and 16KB in
> length). I could have developed it further to transfer entire disks
> (thus archiving everything), but I ran out of time/money.
>
> This was in the mid 1990s or so. I still have the CMI, printer,
> cables,
> etc., but I doubt I'll work on it again. I'd sell it all if the right
> person comes along.
>
> However (after giving this many years of thought), I believe that the
> best approach would be to build a floppy drive emulator/interface
> which
> would intercept all floppy disk data (bidirectionally) and send it
> to a
> USB connection. The device would be inserted in the CMI's floppy
> ribbon
> cable(s), and be completely invisible to the CMI - thus, no CMI
> software
> changes, and it would work on all CMI models. I think that I have
> detailed this before in this group.
>
> On 2010-03-05 10:22, dd_62622 wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wonder .,did anybody tried to communicate with the IIx using
> the parallel port on the Q133 card.
> >
> > When reading the cmi mainframe service manual (page 22)
> > I read about 2 general purpose parallel ports.(PIA)
> >
> > this is the part after the (ACIA's) on page 21.
> >
> > Is there a possability for IIx users to construct a connection
> between the cmi and a ibm or mac ?
> >
> > cheers,
> > David
>
> --
> Greg Holmes
> GH Services, Ontario, Canada
> http://www.ghservices.com/
> http://www.gregholmes.com/
>
>
> <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial;
> margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid
> #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-
> weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads
> { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-
> mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor
> #ygrp-lc { font-family: Arial; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd
> { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%; line-height:
> 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px; padding:
> 0 0; } a { color: #1e66ae; } #actions { font-family: Verdana; font-
> size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color:
> #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px;
> padding: 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity
> span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a
> { color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span
> { color: #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration:
> underline; } .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family:
> Arial; font-size: 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach
> div a { text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none;
> padding-right: 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-
> bottom: 5px; } .attach label a { text-decoration: none; }
> blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; } .bold { font-family: Arial; font-
> size: 13px; font-weight: 700; } .bold a { text-decoration: none; }
> dd.last p a { font-family: Verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p
> span { margin-right: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-weight:
> 700; } dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right: 0; } div.attach-
> table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table
> { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active,
> div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration:
> none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-
> title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; }
> div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family:
> Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color:
> #628c2a; } .MsoNormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; }
> #photos div { float: left; width: 72px; } #photos div div { border:
> 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; }
> #photos div label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow:
> hidden; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; }
> #reco-category { font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size:
> 77%; } .replbq { margin: 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { /*
> border-right: 0px solid #000;*/ margin-right: 2px; padding-right:
> 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg { font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial,
> helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size: small; *font: x-small; }
> #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg
> select, input, textarea { font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-
> serif; } #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code { font:115% monospace; *font-size:
> 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg * { line-height: 1.22em; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo
> { padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } #ygrp-
> msg p a { font-family: Verdana; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span
> { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco #reco-head
> { color: #ff7900; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco { margin-
> bottom: 20px; padding: 0px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a { font-size:
> 130%; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li { font-size:
> 77%; list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov
> ul { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 8px; } #ygrp-text { font-family:
> Georgia; } #ygrp-text p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-text tt { font-
> size: 120%; } #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right: none !
> important; } -->2010-03-06 by dd_62622
Hallo JB, Thanks for the very intresting link.,I am getting more confident that in time there will be a complete datastorage/transfer solution for the series II/X thanks again. --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Bernard EMOND <jbemond@...> wrote:
>
> If you want use serial port's on CMI II and IIx look here :
> <http://www.jsigle.com/prog/cmi/>
>
> JB
>
> Le 5 mars 10 à 23:13, Greg Holmes a écrit :
>
> >
> > On my Series II, I don't recall any parallel ports, but there was a
> > serial printer port. I even had a small board that went into the Epson
> > FX80+ dot matrix printer that added a serial interface to the printer,
> > so I could print to the Epson from the CMI.
> >
> > I wrote a bit of software for the CMI and used the CMI serial port to
> > transfer files from the Fairlight to a PC. I transferred a couple
> > of VC
> > files that way - essentially exact "digital" file copies - and then
> > extracted the waveforms to WAV files (8bits resolution and 16KB in
> > length). I could have developed it further to transfer entire disks
> > (thus archiving everything), but I ran out of time/money.
> >
> > This was in the mid 1990s or so. I still have the CMI, printer,
> > cables,
> > etc., but I doubt I'll work on it again. I'd sell it all if the right
> > person comes along.
> >
> > However (after giving this many years of thought), I believe that the
> > best approach would be to build a floppy drive emulator/interface
> > which
> > would intercept all floppy disk data (bidirectionally) and send it
> > to a
> > USB connection. The device would be inserted in the CMI's floppy
> > ribbon
> > cable(s), and be completely invisible to the CMI - thus, no CMI
> > software
> > changes, and it would work on all CMI models. I think that I have
> > detailed this before in this group.
> >
> > On 2010-03-05 10:22, dd_62622 wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I wonder .,did anybody tried to communicate with the IIx using
> > the parallel port on the Q133 card.
> > >
> > > When reading the cmi mainframe service manual (page 22)
> > > I read about 2 general purpose parallel ports.(PIA)
> > >
> > > this is the part after the (ACIA's) on page 21.
> > >
> > > Is there a possability for IIx users to construct a connection
> > between the cmi and a ibm or mac ?
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > David
> >
> > --
> > Greg Holmes
> > GH Services, Ontario, Canada
> > http://www.ghservices.com/
> > http://www.gregholmes.com/
> >
> >
> > <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial;
> > margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid
> > #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-
> > weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads
> > { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-
> > mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor
> > #ygrp-lc { font-family: Arial; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd
> > { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%; line-height:
> > 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px; padding:
> > 0 0; } a { color: #1e66ae; } #actions { font-family: Verdana; font-
> > size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color:
> > #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px;
> > padding: 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity
> > span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a
> > { color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span
> > { color: #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration:
> > underline; } .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family:
> > Arial; font-size: 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach
> > div a { text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none;
> > padding-right: 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-
> > bottom: 5px; } .attach label a { text-decoration: none; }
> > blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; } .bold { font-family: Arial; font-
> > size: 13px; font-weight: 700; } .bold a { text-decoration: none; }
> > dd.last p a { font-family: Verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p
> > span { margin-right: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-weight:
> > 700; } dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right: 0; } div.attach-
> > table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table
> > { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active,
> > div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration:
> > none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-
> > title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; }
> > div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family:
> > Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color:
> > #628c2a; } .MsoNormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; }
> > #photos div { float: left; width: 72px; } #photos div div { border:
> > 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; }
> > #photos div label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow:
> > hidden; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; }
> > #reco-category { font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size:
> > 77%; } .replbq { margin: 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { /*
> > border-right: 0px solid #000;*/ margin-right: 2px; padding-right:
> > 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg { font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial,
> > helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size: small; *font: x-small; }
> > #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg
> > select, input, textarea { font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-
> > serif; } #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code { font:115% monospace; *font-size:
> > 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg * { line-height: 1.22em; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo
> > { padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1E66AE; } #ygrp-
> > msg p a { font-family: Verdana; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span
> > { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco #reco-head
> > { color: #ff7900; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco { margin-
> > bottom: 20px; padding: 0px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a { font-size:
> > 130%; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li { font-size:
> > 77%; list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov
> > ul { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 8px; } #ygrp-text { font-family:
> > Georgia; } #ygrp-text p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-text tt { font-
> > size: 120%; } #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right: none !
> > important; } -->
>