Patches and discussion for Ensoniq VFX family

>
> Hi, Scott,
> 
> I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
> years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you.  :-)
> 
> I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
> other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that you 
> have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> 
> If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
> pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
> supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller # and 
> operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be 
> one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
> allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
> necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
> 
> Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are 
> still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
> best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
> Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
> Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
> for the working musician!
> 
> Best,
> Bill
>

Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!

The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.

The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.

Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?

Thanks! Scott

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" wrote:
>
> Hi, Scott,
>
> I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of
> years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
>
> I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to
> other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you
> have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
>
> If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a
> pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
> supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and
> operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be
> one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will
> allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
> necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
>
> Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are
> still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
> best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the
> Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching
> Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier
> for the working musician!
>
> Best,
> Bill
>

>
> Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> 
> The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> 
> The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> 
> Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> 
> Thanks! Scott
> 
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Scott,
> > 
> > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
> > years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you.  :-)
> > 
> > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
> > other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that you 
> > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > 
> > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
> > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
> > supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller # and 
> > operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be 
> > one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
> > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
> > necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
> > 
> > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are 
> > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
> > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
> > Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
> > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
> > for the working musician!
> > 
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
>

Scott,

It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back.

I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :) Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo. I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.

Just a thought,
steve

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
>
> Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
>
> The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
>
> The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
>
> Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
>
> Thanks! Scott
>
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Scott,
> >
> > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of
> > years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
> >
> > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to
> > other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you
> > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> >
> > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a
> > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
> > supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and
> > operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be
> > one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will
> > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
> > necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
> >
> > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are
> > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
> > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the
> > Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching
> > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier
> > for the working musician!
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
>

>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back. 
> 
> I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :)  Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo.  I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
> 
> Just a thought,
> steve
> 
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
> >
> > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> > 
> > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> > 
> > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> > 
> > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> > 
> > Thanks! Scott
> > 
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Scott,
> > > 
> > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
> > > years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you.  :-)
> > > 
> > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
> > > other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that you 
> > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > > 
> > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
> > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
> > > supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller # and 
> > > operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be 
> > > one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
> > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
> > > necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
> > > 
> > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are 
> > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
> > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
> > > Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
> > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
> > > for the working musician!
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Bill
> > >
> >
>

>
> Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information. 
> 
> The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
> 
> Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
> 
> Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great. 
> 
> Thanks! Scott
> 
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <sataraszewski@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Scott,
> > 
> > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back. 
> > 
> > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :)  Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo.  I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
> > 
> > Just a thought,
> > steve
> > 
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> > > 
> > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> > > 
> > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> > > 
> > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> > > 
> > > Thanks! Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Scott,
> > > > 
> > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
> > > > years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
> > > > other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that you 
> > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > > > 
> > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
> > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
> > > > supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller # and 
> > > > operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be 
> > > > one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
> > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
> > > > necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
> > > > 
> > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are 
> > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
> > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
> > > > Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
> > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
> > > > for the working musician!
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information. 
> 
> The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
> 
> Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
> 
> Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great. 
> 
> Thanks! Scott
> 
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <sataraszewski@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Scott,
> > 
> > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back. 
> > 
> > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :)  Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo.  I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
> > 
> > Just a thought,
> > steve
> > 
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> > > 
> > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> > > 
> > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> > > 
> > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> > > 
> > > Thanks! Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Scott,
> > > > 
> > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
> > > > years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
> > > > other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that you 
> > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > > > 
> > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
> > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
> > > > supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller # and 
> > > > operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be 
> > > > one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
> > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
> > > > necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
> > > > 
> > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are 
> > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
> > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
> > > > Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
> > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
> > > > for the working musician!
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From: "jeancharles.printz" <jeancharles.printz@...>
To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice


> Hi
>
> I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect 
> condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration 
> error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and 
> the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the 
> synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used 
> since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan 
> (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
> I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that 
> doesn't work normally.
> When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the 
> keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate 
> the AT, making contact close enough.
>
>
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@...> wrote:
>>
>> Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information.
>>
>> The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never 
>> be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've 
>> never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
>>
>> Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations 
>> (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come 
>> close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. 
>> But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
>>
>> Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great.
>>
>> Thanks! Scott
>>
>> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <sataraszewski@> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott,
>> >
>> > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING 
>> > CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely 
>> > contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either 
>> > suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for 
>> > the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back.
>> >
>> > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the 
>> > machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and 
>> > rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my 
>> > satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch 
>> > capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel 
>> > of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a 
>> > pipe dream :)  Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, 
>> > the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather 
>> > firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything 
>> > but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit 
>> > more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old 
>> > GEM S2 or S3 turbo.  I found one of these at a Guitar Center and 
>> > snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the 
>> > VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the 
>> > beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying 
>> > another controller in the first place.
>> >
>> > Just a thought,
>> > steve
>> >
>> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking 
>> > > for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the 
>> > > aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a 
>> > > lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
>> > >
>> > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described 
>> > > the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to 
>> > > decide whether to send it back or not.
>> > >
>> > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal 
>> > > and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested 
>> > > in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on 
>> > > one of these?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks! Scott
>> > >
>> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi, Scott,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number 
>> > > > of
>> > > > years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to 
>> > > > you.  :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared 
>> > > > to
>> > > > other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that 
>> > > > you
>> > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
>> > > >
>> > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting 
>> > > > a
>> > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
>> > > > supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller 
>> > > > # and
>> > > > operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be
>> > > > one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) 
>> > > > will
>> > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
>> > > > necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
>> > > >
>> > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are
>> > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
>> > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling 
>> > > > the
>> > > > Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the 
>> > > > matching
>> > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way 
>> > > > easier
>> > > > for the working musician!
>> > > >
>> > > > Best,
>> > > > Bill
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> it also helps if you go in and clean the contact area on the keys and the 
> circuit board... yes, every little one... rubbing alcohol is adequate for 
> this.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jeancharles.printz" <jeancharles.printz@...>
> To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice
> 
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect 
> > condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration 
> > error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and 
> > the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the 
> > synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used 
> > since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan 
> > (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
> > I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that 
> > doesn't work normally.
> > When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the 
> > keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate 
> > the AT, making contact close enough.
> >
> >
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information.
> >>
> >> The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never 
> >> be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've 
> >> never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
> >>
> >> Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations 
> >> (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come 
> >> close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. 
> >> But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
> >>
> >> Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great.
> >>
> >> Thanks! Scott
> >>
> >> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <sataraszewski@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Scott,
> >> >
> >> > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING 
> >> > CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely 
> >> > contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either 
> >> > suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for 
> >> > the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back.
> >> >
> >> > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the 
> >> > machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and 
> >> > rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my 
> >> > satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch 
> >> > capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel 
> >> > of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a 
> >> > pipe dream :)  Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, 
> >> > the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather 
> >> > firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything 
> >> > but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit 
> >> > more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old 
> >> > GEM S2 or S3 turbo.  I found one of these at a Guitar Center and 
> >> > snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the 
> >> > VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the 
> >> > beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying 
> >> > another controller in the first place.
> >> >
> >> > Just a thought,
> >> > steve
> >> >
> >> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking 
> >> > > for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the 
> >> > > aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a 
> >> > > lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> >> > >
> >> > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described 
> >> > > the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to 
> >> > > decide whether to send it back or not.
> >> > >
> >> > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal 
> >> > > and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested 
> >> > > in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on 
> >> > > one of these?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks! Scott
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> 
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi, Scott,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number 
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > years.  No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to 
> >> > > > you.  :-)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared 
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > other keyboard synths I have played.  It always seemed to me that 
> >> > > > you
> >> > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting 
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
> >> > > > supported by the factory!)  which you could set for the controller 
> >> > > > # and
> >> > > > operate with your foot.  I know it's a workaround but that would be
> >> > > > one.  Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) 
> >> > > > will
> >> > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
> >> > > > necessary.  So there's 2 workarounds.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do.  There are
> >> > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
> >> > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling 
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > Leslie simulation... way cool.  I have a Hammond A-100 with the 
> >> > > > matching
> >> > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way 
> >> > > > easier
> >> > > > for the working musician!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best,
> >> > > > Bill
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:24 PM

Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] VFX noob seeks advice

I know that there is a lot of info on the web (and I am looking) but I have a somewhat time-sensitive situation, so I am asking for any thoughts or opinions to help save time.

After years of wanting, I finally got a VFX (it's an SD-II model). I got it off ebay, from a long time seller with 100% positive feedback. The price was fair and the unit came as pictured, reasonably well packed.

The synth starts up fine and appears to work normally in all regards except for an issue with the keys.

The AFTERTOUCH is *very* spotty. It in all cases, it requires quite a bit of pressure but, even then, some keys send a full pressure response, some keys send none at all, some keys send less than the full range but are consistent, while some keys fluctuate (sending pressure sometimes but not other times).

What I an hoping to hear is whether or not any of you folks think this is something that can be dealt with or not. If it can be dealt with, I'm not in a hurry. I won't mind if I'll need to do research and/or order some old parts if they're available, or even buy a second vfx as a parts machine. I'm willing to take it on as a project, as I bought this just for my own use and pleasure.

The time sensitive part is that I just received this and I really need to figure out whether or not to wrestle with it or tell the seller I want to send it back. Like I said, he seems like a good guy and I don't want to take him to task or blast him with negative feedback, but I also don't want to take a week to figure out whether or not I'll keep the thing and _then_ ask him for a refund.

PS - another much smaller issue (that I can deal with if necessary) is that one key (C#5) won't trigger any sound on any patch unless it's played quite hard. But the *main* issue is the aftertouch.

I'm open to and grateful for ANY AND ALL opinions.

Thanks and kind regards, Scott

>
> you do have to press hard and i always feel that becuase some fingers are longer than others you get more pressure from some of your finger presses than others 
> 
> have you tested each key in a key monitor like cubase
> 
> to see if it does the full range
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Scott 
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:24 PM
>   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] VFX noob seeks advice
> 
> 
>     
>   I know that there is a lot of info on the web (and I am looking) but I have a somewhat time-sensitive situation, so I am asking for any thoughts or opinions to help save time.
> 
>   After years of wanting, I finally got a VFX (it's an SD-II model). I got it off ebay, from a long time seller with 100% positive feedback. The price was fair and the unit came as pictured, reasonably well packed.
> 
>   The synth starts up fine and appears to work normally in all regards except for an issue with the keys.
> 
>   The AFTERTOUCH is *very* spotty. It in all cases, it requires quite a bit of pressure but, even then, some keys send a full pressure response, some keys send none at all, some keys send less than the full range but are consistent, while some keys fluctuate (sending pressure sometimes but not other times).
> 
>   What I an hoping to hear is whether or not any of you folks think this is something that can be dealt with or not. If it can be dealt with, I'm not in a hurry. I won't mind if I'll need to do research and/or order some old parts if they're available, or even buy a second vfx as a parts machine. I'm willing to take it on as a project, as I bought this just for my own use and pleasure.
> 
>   The time sensitive part is that I just received this and I really need to figure out whether or not to wrestle with it or tell the seller I want to send it back. Like I said, he seems like a good guy and I don't want to take him to task or blast him with negative feedback, but I also don't want to take a week to figure out whether or not I'll keep the thing and _then_ ask him for a refund.
> 
>   PS - another much smaller issue (that I can deal with if necessary) is that one key (C#5) won't trigger any sound on any patch unless it's played quite hard. But the *main* issue is the aftertouch.
> 
>   I'm open to and grateful for ANY AND ALL opinions.
> 
>   Thanks and kind regards, Scott
>

----- Original Message -----

From: jeancharles.printz

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:15 PM

Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

Hi

I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that doesn't work normally.
When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate the AT, making contact close enough.

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
>
> Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information.
>
> The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
>
> Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
>
> Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great.
>
> Thanks! Scott
>
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back.
> >
> > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :) Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo. I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> > steve
> >
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> > >
> > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> > >
> > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> > >
> > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> > >
> > > Thanks! Scott
> > >
> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Scott,
> > > >
> > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of
> > > > years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
> > > >
> > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to
> > > >; other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you
> > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > > >
> > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a
> > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
> > > > supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and
> > > > operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be
> > > > one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will
> > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
> > > > necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are
> > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
> > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the
> > > > Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching
> > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier
> > > > for the working musician!
> > > >
> > >; > Best,
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> unlike the s2/s3 which uses a pressure sensitive strip for the full length of the keyboard and on the bottom of  the keys
> 
> there are little black hammers that sit just above the strip so that wen you add pressure they touch the strip sending the resistance measured to the scanner cpu
> 
> now the  ensoniqs use magnetic coil boards there are plates of metal under the keys than lay directly over a coil for each key
> 
> these coils become more magnetic sensitive when the plate is pushed closer to the  coils which is measure by the special coded scanner cpu there are no moving parts to this 
> 
> poly aftertouch so they dont get worn out if there was a problem with the poly at then you would get the calibration error as when it switched and does ketboard check it tests every coil pad for each key and tests for not off magnetic readings for each key
> 
> in the settings there are playing strengths for soft palying and heavy playing set it to your liking
> 
> but if it was fualty then you would get the error
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jeancharles.printz 
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:15 PM
>   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice
> 
> 
>     
>   Hi
> 
>   I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
>   I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that doesn't work normally.
>   When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate the AT, making contact close enough.
> 
>   --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information. 
>   > 
>   > The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
>   > 
>   > Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
>   > 
>   > Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great. 
>   > 
>   > Thanks! Scott
>   > 
>   > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <sataraszewski@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Scott,
>   > > 
>   > > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back. 
>   > > 
>   > > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :) Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo. I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
>   > > 
>   > > Just a thought,
>   > > steve
>   > > 
>   > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
>   > > > 
>   > > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
>   > > > 
>   > > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Thanks! Scott
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Hi, Scott,
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
>   > > > > years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
>   > > > > other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you 
>   > > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
>   > > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
>   > > > > supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and 
>   > > > > operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be 
>   > > > > one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
>   > > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
>   > > > > necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are 
>   > > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
>   > > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
>   > > > > Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
>   > > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
>   > > > > for the working musician!
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Best,
>   > > > > Bill
>   > > > >
>   > > >
>   > >
>   >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

unlike the s2/s3 which uses a pressure sensitive strip for the full length of the keyboard and on the bottom of the keys

there are little black hammers that sit just above the strip so that wen you add pressure they touch the strip sending the resistance measured to the scanner cpu

now the ensoniqs use magnetic coil boards there are plates of metal under the keys than lay directly over a coil for each key

these coils become more magnetic sensitive when the plate is pushed closer to the coils which is measure by the special coded scanner cpu there are no moving parts to this

poly aftertouch so they dont get worn out if there was a problem with the poly at then you would get the calibration error as when it switched and does ketboard check it tests every coil pad for each key and tests for not off magnetic readings for each key

in the settings there are playing strengths for soft palying and heavy playing set it to your liking

but if it was fualty then you would get the error

----- Original Message -----

From: jeancharles.printz

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:15 PM

Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

Hi

I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that doesn't work normally.
When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate the AT, making contact close enough.

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
>
> Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information.
>
> The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
>;
> Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
>
> Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great.
>
> Thanks! Scott
>
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back.
> >
> > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :) Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo. I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> > steve
> >
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> > >
> > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> > >
> > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> > >
> > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> > >
> > > Thanks! Scott
> > >
> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Scott,
> > > >
> > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of
> > > > years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
> > > >
> > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to
> > > > other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you
> > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > > >
> > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a
> > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
> > > > supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and
> > > > operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be
> > > > one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will
> > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
> > > > necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are
> > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
> > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the
> > > > Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching
> > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier
> > > > for the working musician!
>; > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:50 PM

Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

Thank you! More great info, helps me to understand Ensoniq's method of doing Poly-AT. And you also are correct - I am NOT getting a keyboard calibration error - so the keys must be working(?).

Is it possible that whatever CPU does the measuring of each key's pressure could be faulty?

Thanks again for responding!

Scott

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" wrote:
>
> unlike the s2/s3 which uses a pressure sensitive strip for the full length of the keyboard and on the bottom of the keys
>
> there are little black hammers that sit just above the strip so that wen you add pressure they touch the strip sending the resistance measured to the scanner cpu
>
> now the ensoniqs use magnetic coil boards there are plates of metal under the keys than lay directly over a coil for each key
>
>; these coils become more magnetic sensitive when the plate is pushed closer to the coils which is measure by the special coded scanner cpu there are no moving parts to this
>
> poly aftertouch so they dont get worn out if there was a problem with the poly at then you would get the calibration error as when it switched and does ketboard check it tests every coil pad for each key and tests for not off magnetic readings for each key
>
> in the settings there are playing strengths for soft palying and heavy playing set it to your liking
>
> but if it was fualty then you would get the error
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jeancharles.printz
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:15 PM
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
> I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that doesn't work normally.
> When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate the AT, making contact close enough.
>
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
> >
> > Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information.
> >
> > The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
> >
> > Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
> >
> > Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great.
> >
> > Thanks! Scott
> >
> > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back.
> > >
> > > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :) Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo. I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
> > >
> > > Just a thought,
> > > steve
> > >
> > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
> > > >
> > > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
> > > >
> > > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks! Scott
> > > >
> > > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Scott,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of
> > > > > years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to
> > > > > other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you
> > > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a
> > > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still
> > > > > supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and
> > > > > operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be
> > > > > one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will
> > > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as
> > > > > necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are
> > > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the
> > > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the
> > > > > Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching
> > > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier
> > > > > for the working musician!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> if that was the case you would get a keyboard error as its the scanning cpu that deals with the velocity the key on of and channel aftertouch and poly aftertouch also are you setting you patch to respond to poly at as if its not set on any of the modulations you wont get it same for channel also you can set it in the system setting to channel aftertouch or poly
> 
> so make sure that you have it set up corectly
> 
> many a synth i have had in repair to find that nothing was wrong with  it just user error
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Scott 
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:50 PM
>   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice
> 
> 
>     
>   Thank you! More great info, helps me to understand Ensoniq's method of doing Poly-AT. And you also are correct - I am NOT getting a keyboard calibration error - so the keys must be working(?). 
> 
>   Is it possible that whatever CPU does the measuring of each key's pressure could be faulty?
> 
>   Thanks again for responding!
> 
>   Scott
> 
>   --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   >
>   > unlike the s2/s3 which uses a pressure sensitive strip for the full length of the keyboard and on the bottom of the keys
>   > 
>   > there are little black hammers that sit just above the strip so that wen you add pressure they touch the strip sending the resistance measured to the scanner cpu
>   > 
>   > now the ensoniqs use magnetic coil boards there are plates of metal under the keys than lay directly over a coil for each key
>   > 
>   > these coils become more magnetic sensitive when the plate is pushed closer to the coils which is measure by the special coded scanner cpu there are no moving parts to this 
>   > 
>   > poly aftertouch so they dont get worn out if there was a problem with the poly at then you would get the calibration error as when it switched and does ketboard check it tests every coil pad for each key and tests for not off magnetic readings for each key
>   > 
>   > in the settings there are playing strengths for soft palying and heavy playing set it to your liking
>   > 
>   > but if it was fualty then you would get the error
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: jeancharles.printz 
>   > To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:15 PM
>   > Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hi
>   > 
>   > I bought my VFX/SD recently for 200 euros. The synth was in perfect condition, but I had to repair the famous AT malfunction, calibration error ... The guitarist of my band soldered the two boards together and the synth is now ok. The poly AT works normally. I have to say that the synth was in real perfect condition, bought from the first owner, not used since 1990. I wouldn't dare any comparison with the CS80. I'm a Yamaha fan (owned the DX7 I and II, SY77 and 99). They are very sturdy and reliable.
>   > I understand and feel like you : I couldn't bear to use an instrument that doesn't work normally.
>   > When I opened the VFX to repair it, I noticed a large space between the keys and the boards. It seems that you have to play strongly to activate the AT, making contact close enough.
>   > 
>   > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@...m, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Steve, that is *awesomely* useful information. 
>   > > 
>   > > The CS80 is my "impossible dream" synth, because I know that I'll never be able to save and bring myself to spend the money to get one. But I've never touched one. I'm a big Eddie Jobson fan as well, more CS80 madness!
>   > > 
>   > > Frankly the Poly-AT was the main reason I wanted the VFX. My expectations (re: aftertouch) are modest - I wouldn't expect a used Ensoniq to come close to the feel/performance of a high-end unit like a CS80 or a VAX77. But just the fact that it has the feature *at*all* was enough.
>   > > 
>   > > Your info re: the S2 or S3 is great. 
>   > > 
>   > > Thanks! Scott
>   > > 
>   > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <sataraszewski@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > Scott,
>   > > > 
>   > > > It seems to me that the item is not in in "PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION", as you have noted. If it were me, I would definitely contact the seller and let him/her know of the situation and either suggest that the seller either give you 1) a partial refund to pay for the repair or 2) be prepared to receive the unit back. 
>   > > > 
>   > > > I had purchased two VFX-SDs from ebay dealers and neither of the machines functioned as described. However, I contacted the sellers and rationally explained the problems and was compensated to my satisfaction. I was specifically looking for poly-aftertouch capabilities when I bought the VFX-SDs to replicate the hardware feel of my old yamaha CS80 when using my Arturia CS80V software. That was a pipe dream :) Although both of the VFXs do have functioning poly-AT, the feel is a bit off for me in that I do seem to have to press rather firmly to engage the poly-AT and then, the poly-AT "curve" is anything but linear. May I suggest that, if you are looking for something a bit more performance oriented in terms of poly-AT, you try to dig up an old GEM S2 or S3 turbo. I found one of these at a Guitar Center and snapped it up, but only after I had bought the VFXs. And, although the VFXs do sound nice, I probably would never had purchased them given the beautiful feel of the GEM keyboard and my original reason for buying another controller in the first place.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Just a thought,
>   > > > steve
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <gl2tgr@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > The seller (again) appears to be a straight-shoter BUT he described the unit as "IN PERFECT OPERATING CONDITION" - so I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or not.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > The point is POLY aftertouch, you can't replicate that with a pedal and entering it as MIDI events in a sequencer NOT what I'm interested in - it's a performance/improvisation issue.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Anyone else, any thoughts about adjusting/restoring the aftertouch on one of these?
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Thanks! Scott
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "William J. Niemi" <bill@> wrote:
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > Hi, Scott,
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > I have an SD-1, and it was in a heavily smoked studio for a number of 
>   > > > > > years. No more though... otherwise I'd probably not be writing to you. :-)
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > I never thought the aftertouch on the SD-1 was that great compared to 
>   > > > > > other keyboard synths I have played. It always seemed to me that you 
>   > > > > > have to play very hard to get that controller to work.
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > If it ever becomes a big issue with you, you might consider getting a 
>   > > > > > pedal like a Digitech Control 8 (long out of production but still 
>   > > > > > supported by the factory!) which you could set for the controller # and 
>   > > > > > operate with your foot. I know it's a workaround but that would be 
>   > > > > > one. Also, if you are recording MIDI, some programs (like Sonar) will 
>   > > > > > allow you to manually enter controller parameters on the track as 
>   > > > > > necessary. So there's 2 workarounds.
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your SD as much as I do. There are 
>   > > > > > still some patches on that box that I rank right up there with the 
>   > > > > > best... such as the "Organizer" patch with the Digitech controlling the 
>   > > > > > Leslie simulation... way cool. I have a Hammond A-100 with the matching 
>   > > > > > Leslie 251 in my studio and that patch, pound for pound, is way easier 
>   > > > > > for the working musician!
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > Best,
>   > > > > > Bill
>   > > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > >
>   > >
>   >
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

ensoniq invented poly at and are still the only company that did it with 
success

From: Jon Carroll

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:44 AM

Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

I hope you meant Ensoniq invented their implementation of Poly AT....
because the Yamaha CS-80 had poly AT in 1976.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

ensoniq invented poly at and are still the only company that did it with
success

> I know that there is a lot of info on the web (and I am looking) but I have a somewhat time-sensitive situation, so I am asking for any thoughts or opinions to help save time.
> 
> After years of wanting, I finally got a VFX (it's an SD-II model). I got it off ebay, from a long time seller with 100% positive feedback. The price was fair and the unit came as pictured, reasonably well packed.
> 
> The synth starts up fine and appears to work normally in all regards except for an issue with the keys.
> 
> The AFTERTOUCH is *very* spotty. It in all cases, it requires quite a bit of pressure but, even then, some keys send a full pressure response, some keys send none at all, some keys send less than the full range but are consistent, while some keys fluctuate (sending pressure sometimes but not other times).
> 
> What I an hoping to hear is whether or not any of you folks think this is something that can be dealt with or not. If it can be dealt with, I'm not in a hurry. I won't mind if I'll need to do research and/or order some old parts if they're available, or even buy a second vfx as a parts machine. I'm willing to take it on as a project, as I bought this just for my own use and pleasure.
> 
> The time sensitive part is that I just received this and I really need to figure out whether or not to wrestle with it or tell the seller I want to send it back. Like I said, he seems like a good guy and I don't want to take him to task or blast him with negative feedback, but I also don't want to take a week to figure out whether or not I'll keep the thing and _then_ ask him for a refund.
> 
> PS - another much smaller issue (that I can deal with if necessary) is that one key (C#5) won't trigger any sound on any patch unless it's played quite hard. But the *main* issue is the aftertouch.
> 
> I'm open to and grateful for ANY AND ALL opinions.
> 
> Thanks and kind regards, Scott
> 
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tomlinson

To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:10 PM

Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX noob seeks advice

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote:
>
> Bill, thank you for the response! But what I am specifically looking for is opinions on: HOW MUCH TROUBLE WILL IT BE for me to get the aftertouch on this unit to respond as it should? (Even if it takes a lot of pressure, I don't care) - I just want it to work!
>
--------------------------------------------------
I have a SD-1 that came in with the same problem. FRIST, check the velocity/at settings. If they are set correctly, the the problem is most likely that the key-down bumbers have hardened and cousinf too much pressure to be needed to reach the "sweet spot" to trigger AT. I got this one working by trimming the rubber bushings a little. A fair amount of work removing the keyboard and all the keys.

WARNING: If you want to try this, please Email me and I will send you a rough sketch of what to cut... DO NOT CUT THE BUSHINGS "SHORTER".
www.syntaur.com has a few used bushings left if you need some. I have NOT tried this, but is may work to soak the bushings in a rubber renewal chemical.

Bill Tomlinson
tomlinson6050@...