Doepfer

http://niroke.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-155-tricks-way-to-shuffle-your.html?m=1

I started this blog post over a year ago, but for one reason after another, I haven't completed a post since Oct 2013. In that time I managed to lose some of the audio/video examples for several posts, and my Windows laptop and video editing software is no longer compatible with iPhone video... I was able to salvage an audio example for this shuffled clock patch, so here's that along with detailed descriptions of the patch... Would like to hear anyone else's methods for creating modular shuffle!

Hello Nick

Great blog post!

When I read your post, another method to create a shuffled clock came to 
my mind:

Any LFO -> A-162(1) Trigger Delay -> A-165 Trigger Modifier +/-Out -> 
A-162(2) Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)

Or

Any LFO -> A-142-1 Voltage Controlled Decay/Gate -> A-165 Trigger 
Modifier +/-Out -> A-162(2) Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)

Or

LFO with variable Pulsewidth -> A-165 Trigger Modifier +/-Out -> A-162 
Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)



All these methods have in common: The first trigger delay (or the 
VC-Gate) creates a controllable pulse length for the LFO - it should be 
more than 50%. This non-symmetrical pulse is converted into two spikes 
by the Trigger Modifier. The second Trigger Delay creates the two 
triggers wich are used for the sequencer steps (and eventually as gate 
for the envelopes).





And btw, you are asking in your post:
 > Perhaps ratios <50% are techincally known by another name?
Yes there is a name for. It is called "stumbling" ;-)
To be honest: shuffle / swing ratios less than 50% are not interesting 
from the musical point of view.




Florian


Am 11.11.2014 04:10, schrieb Nicholas Keller maq163x2@gmail.com 
[Doepfer_a100]:

>
>
> http://niroke.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-155-tricks-way-to-shuffle-your.html?m=1

Thanks Florian!

All the methods you mention seem very interesting, however I don't have the Trigger Modifier module, so I've never been able to experiment with that.  Perhaps I ought to find or build one and try it.  

If you'd like to publish your ideas for shuffle, I could link to your post on mine.  Or I can add your ideas to my post and credit you, or write a new post and credit you. 

If I understand correctly (I haven't looked at the A-165 manual yet), the second A-162/142 is simply for creating a pulse of a certain length....a trigger combiner of some kind is still necessary?  

I've actually modified my A-162 quite a bit, giving it "Mix" outputs which combine the input and output signals through diodes, as well as fast/med/slow selectors for the delays and lengths, Vactrol control sockets, and unit one can feed into unit two and provide four pulses at Mix2 Out.  A bit crazy, but just having the first "Mix Out" allows me to create variable (manual and Vactrol control) shuffle with just that one sub module of the A-162 and a clock source. Obviously I need a Vactrol module too if desired.  I chose leave that out if this blog post so as not to confuse any potential readers.  It is not a necessary modification, more a compulsion :D
Http://i.imgur.com/XeoA9pr.jpg


Nick 

> On Nov 12, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nick
> 
> Great blog post!
> 
> When I read your post, another method to create a shuffled clock came to 
> my mind:
> 
> Any LFO -> A-162(1) Trigger Delay -> A-165 Trigger Modifier +/-Out -> 
> A-162(2) Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)
> 
> Or
> 
> Any LFO -> A-142-1 Voltage Controlled Decay/Gate -> A-165 Trigger 
> Modifier +/-Out -> A-162(2) Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)
> 
> Or
> 
> LFO with variable Pulsewidth -> A-165 Trigger Modifier +/-Out -> A-162 
> Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)
> 
> All these methods have in common: The first trigger delay (or the 
> VC-Gate) creates a controllable pulse length for the LFO - it should be 
> more than 50%. This non-symmetrical pulse is converted into two spikes 
> by the Trigger Modifier. The second Trigger Delay creates the two 
> triggers wich are used for the sequencer steps (and eventually as gate 
> for the envelopes).
> 
> And btw, you are asking in your post:
> > Perhaps ratios <50% are techincally known by another name?
> Yes there is a name for. It is called "stumbling" ;-)
> To be honest: shuffle / swing ratios less than 50% are not interesting 
> from the musical point of view.
> 
> Florian
> 
> Am 11.11.2014 04:10, schrieb Nicholas Keller maq163x2@gmail.com 
> [Doepfer_a100]:
> >
> >
> > http://niroke.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-155-tricks-way-to-shuffle-your.html?m=1
> 
>

Florian, 

 I hope you don't mind but I added your method to my blog page, crediting you with the A-165 idea and including a hyperlink to your book at Schneidersladen. 

Nick

> On Nov 12, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nick
> 
> Great blog post!
> 
> When I read your post, another method to create a shuffled clock came to 
> my mind:
> 
> Any LFO -> A-162(1) Trigger Delay -> A-165 Trigger Modifier +/-Out -> 
> A-162(2) Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)
> 
> Or
> 
> Any LFO -> A-142-1 Voltage Controlled Decay/Gate -> A-165 Trigger 
> Modifier +/-Out -> A-162(2) Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)
> 
> Or
> 
> LFO with variable Pulsewidth -> A-165 Trigger Modifier +/-Out -> A-162 
> Trigger Delay (or A-142-1)
> 
> All these methods have in common: The first trigger delay (or the 
> VC-Gate) creates a controllable pulse length for the LFO - it should be 
> more than 50%. This non-symmetrical pulse is converted into two spikes 
> by the Trigger Modifier. The second Trigger Delay creates the two 
> triggers wich are used for the sequencer steps (and eventually as gate 
> for the envelopes).
> 
> And btw, you are asking in your post:
> > Perhaps ratios <50% are techincally known by another name?
> Yes there is a name for. It is called "stumbling" ;-)
> To be honest: shuffle / swing ratios less than 50% are not interesting 
> from the musical point of view.
> 
> Florian
> 
> Am 11.11.2014 04:10, schrieb Nicholas Keller maq163x2@gmail.com 
> [Doepfer_a100]:
> >
> >
> > http://niroke.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-155-tricks-way-to-shuffle-your.html?m=1
> 
>

Hello Nick

> I hope you don't mind but I added your method to my blog page,
That was my intention ;-)

> crediting you with the A-165 idea and including a hyperlink to your
> book at Schneidersladen.
That was not intended ;-) but it is very kind (and I like to support 
Schneiders, as I really like what the whole team of the shop is doing 
for the community, and I have a deep respect for him as a person).

Florian

I got the feeling he was incredibly likable after seeing him in IDOW:HE

Nick

> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:44 AM, "florian anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nick
> 
> > I hope you don't mind but I added your method to my blog page,
> That was my intention ;-)
> 
> > crediting you with the A-165 idea and including a hyperlink to your
> > book at Schneidersladen.
> That was not intended ;-) but it is very kind (and I like to support 
> Schneiders, as I really like what the whole team of the shop is doing 
> for the community, and I have a deep respect for him as a person).
> 
> Florian
>