Doepfer

Dieter says:

"The preliminary information about the A-190-8 and the A-180-2 are now
online. 
They can be found via the "A-100 new/planned" modules link. The
available 10 
outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If the users think
other 
combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset outputs would be better we
still 
can change that because the outputs are generated by the firmware of
the 
processor. After all it's only the printing at the front panel. We
omitted 
the usual DIN SYNC socket because it's nothing new but only clock
and 
start/stop on two pins of the DIN socket. If there are sufficient
inquiries 
we may offer a special cable with two 3.5 jack plugs on one side
and a DIN 
plug on the other."

A190-8:
http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm

A180-2:
http://www.doepfer.de/a180.htm

also more news:
Dieter says: "In December the A-192-2 (Dual CV/Gate-to-USB/Midi interface) will be
available 
and even the hardware of polyphonic CV/Gate interface A-190-5 is
ready. 
Christian is about to program the firmware. But it takes longer than
expected 
and so the A-190-5 will be available early in 2013."

A192-2:
http://www.doepfer.de/a1922.htm

A190-5:
http://www.doepfer.de/a1905.htm


thanks,
Bakis.

 
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Hello Bakis,

thanks for forwarding
Hello

Am 23.11.2012 13:07, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> Dieter says:
>
> "...he available 10 outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If
> the users think other combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset
> outputs would be better we still can change that because the outputs
> are generated by the firmware of the processor. After all it's only
> the printing at the front panel...
Checking http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm I find:


"
...
* Start/Stop (normal): turns to high at each Midi Start or Continue
message, turns to low at each Midi Stop message
* Start/Stop (inverse): same as above but inverted polarity
This does not make much sense, as there are easy ways to invert the signal.
...
"


Instead of this socket "St/St-inverse" I'd really vote for a pushbutton, 
which provides a "Mungo-Sync" like start-in-function.

Florian

like a manual 'reset' button you mean...?

please elaborate.

 
Bakis 


________________________________

 From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
 

  
Hello Bakis,

thanks for forwarding
Hello

Am 23.11.2012 13:07, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> Dieter says:
>
> "...he available 10 outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If
> the users think other combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset
> outputs would be better we still can change that because the outputs
> are generated by the firmware of the processor. After all it's only
> the printing at the front panel...
Checking http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm I find:

"
...
* Start/Stop (normal): turns to high at each Midi Start or Continue
message, turns to low at each Midi Stop message
* Start/Stop (inverse): same as above but inverted polarity
This does not make much sense, as there are easy ways to invert the signal.
...
"

Instead of this socket "St/St-inverse" I'd really vote for a pushbutton, 
which provides a "Mungo-Sync" like start-in-function.

Florian


 

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I'm specially  happy with the "16" out(divided by 6) it will work great with the MFB seq02 in swing
Mode. I could never get a correct value(timing) with the a190. It is also nice to have different values running in parrallel.

Sent from my iPad

On 2012-11-23, at 7:07 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dieter says:
> 
> "The preliminary information about the A-190-8 and the A-180-2 are now
> online. 
> They can be found via the "A-100 new/planned" modules link. The
> available 10 
> outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If the users think
> other 
> combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset outputs would be better we
> still 
> can change that because the outputs are generated by the firmware of
> the 
> processor. After all it's only the printing at the front panel. We
> omitted 
> the usual DIN SYNC socket because it's nothing new but only clock
> and 
> start/stop on two pins of the DIN socket. If there are sufficient
> inquiries 
> we may offer a special cable with two 3.5 jack plugs on one side
> and a DIN 
> plug on the other."
> 
> A190-8:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm
> 
> A180-2:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a180.htm
> 
> also more news:
> Dieter says: "In December the A-192-2 (Dual CV/Gate-to-USB/Midi interface) will be
> available 
> and even the hardware of polyphonic CV/Gate interface A-190-5 is
> ready. 
> Christian is about to program the firmware. But it takes longer than
> expected 
> and so the A-190-5 will be available early in 2013."
> 
> A192-2:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1922.htm
> 
> A190-5:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1905.htm
> 
> thanks,
> Bakis.
> 
>  
> Bakis Sirros
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. vu-us. com
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Am 23.11.2012 13:37, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> like a manual 'reset' button you mean...?
>
> please elaborate.
http://mungo.com.au/syncZ.html

Also the shufflebox has it:
http://frequencyresponse.ch/?p=shufflebox (check the video)

It is basically a start/stop-button which waits for the next bar (any 
joke about: "hey barkeeper - two Martinis please" can be included here).


I have two Mungos and several shuffleboxes. I couldn't play live without 
them.

Florian

sounds interesting.

so, you mean this start/stop button would stop all the A190-8 gate (midi clock) outs in the very next clock pulse (appearing in the midi input of the A190-8) and then, with a new push of the button, would start the clock outs only after a new clock signal is present in the midi input of the a190-8, right?

sounds very useful indeed for live manipulation. Dieter?
 
Bakis 


________________________________

 From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
 

  
Am 23.11.2012 13:37, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> like a manual 'reset' button you mean...?
>
> please elaborate.
http://mungo.com.au/syncZ.html

Also the shufflebox has it:
http://frequencyresponse.ch/?p=shufflebox (check the video)

It is basically a start/stop-button which waits for the next bar (any 
joke about: "hey barkeeper - two Martinis please" can be included here).

I have two Mungos and several shuffleboxes. I couldn't play live without 
them.

Florian

 

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Am 23.11.2012 14:54, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> sounds interesting.
>
> so, you mean this start/stop button would stop all the A190-8 gate
> (midi clock) outs in the very next clock pulse (appearing in the midi
> input of the A190-8) and then, with a new push of the button, would
> start the clock outs only after a new clock signal is present in the
> midi input of the a190-8, right?

No. You misunderstood completely:

Normally syncing devices works like that:
Everything is stopped. The masterclock (in this case MIDI) sends a clock
already, but no start command has been given. Then you press start on
the Masterclockdevice, the masterclock sends the startcommand to all
synced devices begin to run (one of these synced devices is the
A-190-8). No you want to stop one of the synced devices, change
something and then start it again. It will be a pain in the a** to hit
the right moment when starting again. Usually pressing stop on one
slave means, that this slave will never be in the beat with the master 
again.

Now the same with the Mungosync:
The Mungosync is placed between the master and the slave. Again
everything is stopped, the master sends clock, but has not yet sent the
start command. The Mungo-Sync feeds the clock through to the slave and
awaits the start command from the master. Now you press start at the 
master. The MungoSync feed this start-command forward tot the slave 
(which starts too), and now the Mungosync starts counting bars. He 
always knows where in the bar the system is. Now you press the big red 
button on the Mungosync somewhere in the middle of the running bar. The 
Mungo Sync now will wait for the next bar and send then the stop-command 
to the slave. Now you can do the change on your slave. After that you 
can hit the big red button on the mungo-sync again, the mungo-Sync will 
await the next bar to begin, and will send then a start-command again. 
So the slave will start at the right place in the bar.

Florian


>
> sounds very useful indeed for live manipulation. Dieter?
>
> Bakis
>
>
> ________________________________ From: Florian
> Anwander<fanwander@mnet-online.de> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100]
> Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
>
>
>
> Am 23.11.2012 13:37, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
>> like a manual 'reset' button you mean...?
>>
>> please elaborate.
> http://mungo.com.au/syncZ.html
>
> Also the shufflebox has it: http://frequencyresponse.ch/?p=shufflebox
> (check the video)
>
> It is basically a start/stop-button which waits for the next bar
> (any joke about: "hey barkeeper - two Martinis please" can be
> included here).
>
> I have two Mungos and several shuffleboxes. I couldn't play live
> without them.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


-- 
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thanks.

ok, so, the start and stop commands are slaved to the next Bar (of the midi clock). got it.
but the clock is running. ok.


so, this A190-8 'mungo-style' button would control the start and stop outs of the A190-8, but slaved to the next bar of the midi clock received by the A190-8. ok. useful for live work indeed.

 
Bakis 


________________________________

 From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
 
Am 23.11.2012 14:54, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> sounds interesting.
>
> so, you mean this start/stop button would stop all the A190-8 gate
> (midi clock) outs in the very next clock pulse (appearing in the midi
> input of the A190-8) and then, with a new push of the button, would
> start the clock outs only after a new clock signal is present in the
> midi input of the a190-8, right?

No. You misunderstood completely:

Normally syncing devices works like that:
Everything is stopped. The masterclock (in this case MIDI) sends a clock
already, but no start command has been given. Then you press start on
the Masterclockdevice, the masterclock sends the startcommand to all
synced devices begin to run (one of these synced devices is the
A-190-8). No you want to stop one of the synced devices, change
something and then start it again. It will be a pain in the a** to hit
the right moment when starting again. Usually pressing stop on one
slave means, that this slave will never be in the beat with the master 
again.

Now the same with the Mungosync:
The Mungosync is placed between the master and the slave. Again
everything is stopped, the master sends clock, but has not yet sent the
start command. The Mungo-Sync feeds the clock through to the slave and
awaits the start command from the master. Now you press start at the 
master. The MungoSync feed this start-command forward tot the slave 
(which starts too), and now the Mungosync starts counting bars. He 
always knows where in the bar the system is. Now you press the big red 
button on the Mungosync somewhere in the middle of the running bar. The 
Mungo Sync now will wait for the next bar and send then the stop-command 
to the slave. Now you can do the change on your slave. After that you 
can hit the big red button on the mungo-sync again, the mungo-Sync will 
await the next bar to begin, and will send then a start-command again. 
So the slave will start at the right place in the bar.

Florian


>
> sounds very useful indeed for live manipulation. Dieter?
>
> Bakis
>
>
> ________________________________ From: Florian
> Anwander<fanwander@mnet-online.de> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100]
> Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
>
>
>
> Am 23.11.2012 13:37, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
>> like a manual 'reset' button you mean...?
>>
>> please elaborate.
> http://mungo.com.au/syncZ.html
>
> Also the shufflebox has it: http://frequencyresponse.ch/?p=shufflebox
> (check the video)
>
> It is basically a start/stop-button which waits for the next bar
> (any joke about: "hey barkeeper - two Martinis please" can be
> included here).
>
> I have two Mungos and several shuffleboxes. I couldn't play live
> without them.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


-- 
http://fa.utfs.org/

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Hi Bakis

Am 23.11.2012 15:33, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> so, this A190-8 'mungo-style' button would control the start and stop
> outs of the A190-8, but slaved to the next bar of the midi clock
> received by the A190-8.
Correct!

Florian

-- 
http://fa.utfs.org/

Hi Florian,

of course one could derive the inverter Start/Stop or the separate Start and
Stop pulses with an additional external module (as well as the sub-divided
clocks). But we wanted to put as much meaningful functions as possible into
the module, i.e. without the need of additional trigger modifier/inverter
modules. But as the design is still in an early state (first prototype is
ready) we could replace one of the sockets by a push button that works
similar to the Mungo unit if the majority of the users will vote for this
version. Alternatively we could change one of the output sockets into an
input socket for this function (instead of a button) - or even both: an
input socket and push button. That way an external LARGE button could be
connected to the socket. I'm not sure how important it is to have a large
button like the Mungo unit.

Best wishes
Dieter

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. November 2012 13:32
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new /
> forthcoming A100 modules!
>
>
> Hello Bakis,
>
> thanks for forwarding
> Hello
>
> Am 23.11.2012 13:07, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> > Dieter says:
> >
> > "...he available 10 outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If
> > the users think other combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset
> > outputs would be better we still can change that because the outputs
> > are generated by the firmware of the processor. After all it's only
> > the printing at the front panel...
> Checking http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm I find:
>
>
> "
> ...
> * Start/Stop (normal): turns to high at each Midi Start or Continue
> message, turns to low at each Midi Stop message
> * Start/Stop (inverse): same as above but inverted polarity
> This does not make much sense, as there are easy ways to invert
> the signal.
> ...
> "
>
>
> Instead of this socket "St/St-inverse" I'd really vote for a pushbutton,
> which provides a "Mungo-Sync" like start-in-function.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Dieter

Am 23.11.2012 16:48, schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de:
> I'm not sure how important it is to have a large
> button like the Mungo unit.
Does size matter? ;-)

But a push button plus an input socket would be cool. The question is 
then: where to find space for both? Me personally I do not need the 8th 
output. 32th and 16th and 1 is ok for me. But this should be a discussed 
by the community.



Florian

-- 
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i certainly agree with Florian about this function.

this would make the module quite unique in the Doepfer module range.

a button and a socket would be much much greater!

i am already thinking of nice complex sequencing patches using this 'bar-synced start/stop' socket.    :D

 


Bakis 


________________________________

 From: "yahoo@doepfer.de" <yahoo@doepfer.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:48 PM
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
 

  
Hi Florian,

of course one could derive the inverter Start/Stop or the separate Start and
Stop pulses with an additional external module (as well as the sub-divided
clocks). But we wanted to put as much meaningful functions as possible into
the module, i.e. without the need of additional trigger modifier/inverter
modules. But as the design is still in an early state (first prototype is
ready) we could replace one of the sockets by a push button that works
similar to the Mungo unit if the majority of the users will vote for this
version. Alternatively we could change one of the output sockets into an
input socket for this function (instead of a button) - or even both: an
input socket and push button. That way an external LARGE button could be
connected to the socket. I'm not sure how important it is to have a large
button like the Mungo unit.

Best wishes
Dieter

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. November 2012 13:32
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new /
> forthcoming A100 modules!
>
>
> Hello Bakis,
>
> thanks for forwarding
> Hello
>
> Am 23.11.2012 13:07, schrieb Bakis Sirros:
> > Dieter says:
> >
> > "...he available 10 outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If
> > the users think other combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset
> > outputs would be better we still can change that because the outputs
> > are generated by the firmware of the processor. After all it's only
> > the printing at the front panel...
> Checking http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm I find:
>
>
> "
> ...
> * Start/Stop (normal): turns to high at each Midi Start or Continue
> message, turns to low at each Midi Stop message
> * Start/Stop (inverse): same as above but inverted polarity
> This does not make much sense, as there are easy ways to invert
> the signal.
> ...
> "
>
>
> Instead of this socket "St/St-inverse" I'd really vote for a pushbutton,
> which provides a "Mungo-Sync" like start-in-function.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


 

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On 23 Nov 2012, at 14:24, Florian Anwander wrote:

> The Mungo-Sync feeds the clock through to the slave and
> awaits the start command from the master. Now you press start at the 
> master. The MungoSync feed this start-command forward tot the slave 
> (which starts too), and now the Mungosync starts counting bars. He 
> always knows where in the bar the system is.

How does it know how many clocks are in a bar?

Midi clocks are 24 pulses per quarter note (ppqn) but no time signature information is transmitted.

/m

A180-2, yes please....

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:

>
> Dieter says:
> 
> "The preliminary information about the A-190-8 and the A-180-2 are now
> online. 
> They can be found via the "A-100 new/planned" modules link. The
> available 10 
> outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If the users think
> other 
> combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset outputs would be better we
> still 
> can change that because the outputs are generated by the firmware of
> the 
> processor. After all it's only the printing at the front panel. We
> omitted 
> the usual DIN SYNC socket because it's nothing new but only clock
> and 
> start/stop on two pins of the DIN socket. If there are sufficient
> inquiries 
> we may offer a special cable with two 3.5 jack plugs on one side
> and a DIN 
> plug on the other."
> 
> A190-8:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm
> 
> A180-2:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a180.htm
> 
> also more news:
> Dieter says: "In December the A-192-2 (Dual CV/Gate-to-USB/Midi interface) will be
> available 
> and even the hardware of polyphonic CV/Gate interface A-190-5 is
> ready. 
> Christian is about to program the firmware. But it takes longer than
> expected 
> and so the A-190-5 will be available early in 2013."
> 
> A192-2:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1922.htm
> 
> A190-5:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1905.htm
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Bakis.
> 
>  
> Bakis Sirros
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. vu-us. com
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hello Martin

On 23.11.12 20:09 , Martin Klang wrote:
> How does it know how many clocks are in a bar?
> Midi clocks are 24 pulses per quarter note (ppqn) but no time signature information is transmitted.
fair objection. The original Mungo-Sync and the shufflebox work only for 
4/4-signatures. Of course music consists of other signatures too ;-).
But also the A190-8 thinks in 4/4: The lowest clock output is 1 tick per 
(4/4-)bar.

Maybe one should think about a separate module, which achieves this 
sync-start-function. In such a separate module a selector for various 
signatures could be established.

Florian

> A180-2, yes please....

It will be manufactured definitely. I think it will be available early next
year. It took not much time to modify the pc board but it will take some
time until the new front panels and pc boards are available and the first
modules are produced.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi Florian,

I think we will replace the top right socket (Start) by a momentary switch
and change the direction of socket below the socket to input (instead of
output). The function of the remaining output sockets could follow the
results of an upcoming poll. There are also 3 internal jumpers. One is
already reserved for the output voltage levels (+5V/+12V). The remaining two
jumpers could be used e.g. to define the clock divider of one or two sockets
(e.g. 8/16). But the problem is that the front panel printing will not
change with the jumper setting :-) So the best conception would be to find a
solution that satisfies most users.

These functions are essential to control some A-100 modules (e.g. A-155 or
A-154)

* Start
* Stop
* Reset
* Clock (32 or 16 or 8 or ...)

These two outputs are required for applications with Roland DIN Sync
(potentially with a special cable 2x3.5 -> DIN):

* Start/Stop (or reverse),
* Clock 96, required for applications with Roland DIN Sync

And it's a good idea to have the "1" signal:

* Measure start (1)


Then 2 sockets are left for clock outputs, e.g. 32/16 or 16/8. Another
version would be only one clock output and a three-position switch for
32/16/8. But then only one clock output is available. If other clocks are
required the A-160 or A-161 may be used.

Best wishes
Dieter

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. November 2012 17:14
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new /
> forthcoming A100 modules!
>
>
> Hi Dieter
>
> Am 23.11.2012 16:48, schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de:
> > I'm not sure how important it is to have a large
> > button like the Mungo unit.
> Does size matter? ;-)
>
> But a push button plus an input socket would be cool. The question is
> then: where to find space for both? Me personally I do not need the 8th
> output. 32th and 16th and 1 is ok for me. But this should be a discussed
> by the community.
>
> Florian

Hello Dieter

 > (e.g. 8/16). But the problem is that the front panel printing will not
 > change with the jumper setting :-)
Simply name them "Clock I" and "Clock II".

Here my suggestion:

Left row:
* start/stop gate-out
* start trigger-out
* stop trigger-out
* reset trigger-out
* Measure 1-out

Right row:
* start/stop button (synchro-start function)
* start/stop trigger-In (synchro-start function)
* clock 96-out
* clock I-out
* clock II-out

The division factor for Clock I and II can be set by jumpers.


It would be great to have some of the signals on a 10 pin pinhead 
connector on the pcb (Start/Stop, reset, 96th, 16th, measure-1). One 
could use it as an internal bus for additional modules like downward 
counters/dividers (also for uneven divisions), which again could serve 
as address counters for trigger sequencers....

(I started think about something like that some time ago, but did not 
get on with it... 
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/triggersequencer/sequencer_rough.png)

Florian

Am 26.11.2012 09:46, schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de:
> Hi Florian,
>
> I think we will replace the top right socket (Start) by a momentary switch
> and change the direction of socket below the socket to input (instead of
> output). The function of the remaining output sockets could follow the
> results of an upcoming poll. There are also 3 internal jumpers. One is
> already reserved for the output voltage levels (+5V/+12V). The remaining two
> jumpers could be used e.g. to define the clock divider of one or two sockets
> (e.g. 8/16). But the problem is that the front panel printing will not
> change with the jumper setting :-) So the best conception would be to find a
> solution that satisfies most users.
>
> These functions are essential to control some A-100 modules (e.g. A-155 or
> A-154)
>
> * Start
> * Stop
> * Reset
> * Clock (32 or 16 or 8 or ...)
>
> These two outputs are required for applications with Roland DIN Sync
> (potentially with a special cable 2x3.5 ->  DIN):
>
> * Start/Stop (or reverse),
> * Clock 96, required for applications with Roland DIN Sync
>
> And it's a good idea to have the "1" signal:
>
> * Measure start (1)
>
>
> Then 2 sockets are left for clock outputs, e.g. 32/16 or 16/8. Another
> version would be only one clock output and a three-position switch for
> 32/16/8. But then only one clock output is available. If other clocks are
> required the A-160 or A-161 may be used.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter


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the layout Florian Suggests seems great to me.

(the only thing is that you would have to remember what divisions are the Clock I and Clock II outputs, as these are set by jumpers. but you can't have everything.)


 
Bakis 


________________________________

 From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: yahoo@doepfer.de 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
 

  
Hello Dieter

> (e.g. 8/16). But the problem is that the front panel printing will not
> change with the jumper setting :-)
Simply name them "Clock I" and "Clock II".

Here my suggestion:

Left row:
* start/stop gate-out
* start trigger-out
* stop trigger-out
* reset trigger-out
* Measure 1-out

Right row:
* start/stop button (synchro-start function)
* start/stop trigger-In (synchro-start function)
* clock 96-out
* clock I-out
* clock II-out

The division factor for Clock I and II can be set by jumpers.

It would be great to have some of the signals on a 10 pin pinhead 
connector on the pcb (Start/Stop, reset, 96th, 16th, measure-1). One 
could use it as an internal bus for additional modules like downward 
counters/dividers (also for uneven divisions), which again could serve 
as address counters for trigger sequencers....

(I started think about something like that some time ago, but did not 
get on with it... 
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/triggersequencer/sequencer_rough.png)

Florian

Am 26.11.2012 09:46, schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de:
> Hi Florian,
>
> I think we will replace the top right socket (Start) by a momentary switch
> and change the direction of socket below the socket to input (instead of
> output). The function of the remaining output sockets could follow the
> results of an upcoming poll. There are also 3 internal jumpers. One is
> already reserved for the output voltage levels (+5V/+12V). The remaining two
> jumpers could be used e.g. to define the clock divider of one or two sockets
> (e.g. 8/16). But the problem is that the front panel printing will not
> change with the jumper setting :-) So the best conception would be to find a
> solution that satisfies most users.
>
> These functions are essential to control some A-100 modules (e.g. A-155 or
> A-154)
>
> * Start
> * Stop
> * Reset
> * Clock (32 or 16 or 8 or ...)
>
> These two outputs are required for applications with Roland DIN Sync
> (potentially with a special cable 2x3.5 ->  DIN):
>
> * Start/Stop (or reverse),
> * Clock 96, required for applications with Roland DIN Sync
>
> And it's a good idea to have the "1" signal:
>
> * Measure start (1)
>
>
> Then 2 sockets are left for clock outputs, e.g. 32/16 or 16/8. Another
> version would be only one clock output and a three-position switch for
> 32/16/8. But then only one clock output is available. If other clocks are
> required the A-160 or A-161 may be used.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter

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http://fa.utfs.org/

 

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> If there are sufficient inquiries we may offer a special cable with two 3.5 jack plugs on one side
> and a DIN plug on the other."

Like these?
http://postmodular.co.uk/expert-sleepers/dj-1200-dinsync3-5mm-jack

:)

os.


On 23 November 2012 12:07, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dieter says:
>
> "The preliminary information about the A-190-8 and the A-180-2 are now
> online.
> They can be found via the "A-100 new/planned" modules link. The
> available 10
> outputs of the A-190-8 are not yet fixed. If the users think
> other
> combinations of clocks or start/stop/reset outputs would be better we
> still
> can change that because the outputs are generated by the firmware of
> the
> processor. After all it's only the printing at the front panel. We
> omitted
> the usual DIN SYNC socket because it's nothing new but only clock
> and
> start/stop on two pins of the DIN socket. If there are sufficient
> inquiries
> we may offer a special cable with two 3.5 jack plugs on one side
> and a DIN
> plug on the other."
>
> A190-8:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1908.htm
>
> A180-2:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a180.htm
>
> also more news:
> Dieter says: "In December the A-192-2 (Dual CV/Gate-to-USB/Midi interface)
> will be
> available
> and even the hardware of polyphonic CV/Gate interface A-190-5 is
> ready.
> Christian is about to program the firmware. But it takes longer than
> expected
> and so the A-190-5 will be available early in 2013."
>
> A192-2:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1922.htm
>
> A190-5:
> http://www.doepfer.de/a1905.htm
>
> thanks,
> Bakis.
>
>
> Bakis Sirros
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. vu-us. com
>
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>
> 



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> > If there are sufficient inquiries we may offer a special cable
> with two 3.5 jack plugs on one side
> > and a DIN plug on the other."
>
> Like these?
> http://postmodular.co.uk/expert-sleepers/dj-1200-dinsync3-5mm-jack
>
> :)
>
> os.

Exactly. And £5.52 is an excellent price. I have no idea how they can make
this price because it probably does not cover the working time and spare
part charges.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> the layout Florian Suggests seems great to me.
>
> (the only thing is that you would have to remember what divisions
> are the Clock I and Clock II outputs, as these are set by
> jumpers. but you can't have everything.)
>  
> Bakis

information about version 2 of the planned A-190-8 is now on our website
(www.doepfer.de/A1908.htm)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hello Dieter

Am 27.11.2012 15:58, schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de:
> information about version 2 of the planned A-190-8 is now on our website
> (www.doepfer.de/A1908.htm)
It is missing now the Start/Stop-Gate, which you would need for DIN-Sync.


Florian
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> Hello Dieter
>
> Am 27.11.2012 15:58, schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de:
> > information about version 2 of the planned A-190-8 is now on our website
> > (www.doepfer.de/A1908.htm)
> It is missing now the Start/Stop-Gate, which you would need for DIN-Sync.
>
>
> Florian

No. For the start output one can choose the pulse or gate mode. Look at the
words on the info page.

Dieter

Hi Dieter

> Look at the words on the info page.
As you know I am a simple structured person. I am reacting on pictures 
only ;-))))

nope: The description reads like a perfect device. You should do this as 
a standalone unit with a DIN-Socket for the DIN-Sync out too! Call it 
MSY3 :)


Florian
-- 
http://fa.utfs.org/

> Hi Dieter
>
> > Look at the words on the info page.
> As you know I am a simple structured person. I am reacting on pictures
> only ;-))))

I discovered that whithin the A-100 there is no difference between a "pure"
start signal (short pulse) and the "gated" start/stop because only the
rising edge of the start signal is used in combination with A-155 or A-154.
So there is no need for a separate start socket (short pulse only) and the
"gated" start/stop socket. The gated start/stop can be used for both A-100
and DIN Sync.

> nope: The description reads like a perfect device. You should do this as
> a standalone unit with a DIN-Socket for the DIN-Sync out too! Call it
> MSY3 :)

Maybe. But the pcb board has to be redesigned because of the adaption to the
stand alone version (built in power supply and arrangement of the sockets
and controls).

Have a nice evening
Dieter

great device!!! i will need one for sure!!

the suggestion from Florian for the synced button, and gate input, makes it really special!


 
Bakis 


________________________________

 From: "yahoo@doepfer.de" <yahoo@doepfer.de>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:18 PM
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] A-190-8,  was: Latest info from Dieter about new / forthcoming A100 modules!
 
> Hi Dieter
>
> > Look at the words on the info page.
> As you know I am a simple structured person. I am reacting on pictures
> only ;-))))

I discovered that whithin the A-100 there is no difference between a "pure"
start signal (short pulse) and the "gated" start/stop because only the
rising edge of the start signal is used in combination with A-155 or A-154.
So there is no need for a separate start socket (short pulse only) and the
"gated" start/stop socket. The gated start/stop can be used for both A-100
and DIN Sync.

> nope: The description reads like a perfect device. You should do this as
> a standalone unit with a DIN-Socket for the DIN-Sync out too! Call it
> MSY3 :)

Maybe. But the pcb board has to be redesigned because of the adaption to the
stand alone version (built in power supply and arrangement of the sockets
and controls).

Have a nice evening
Dieter




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