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Shift Register

2011-07-30 by achtung_999

Okay,

It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
Does anyone agree with me?

Greetings,

Ernst

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-07-30 by Bakis Sirros

definitely agree!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

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--- On Sun, 7/31/11, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:
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Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 1:36 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      Okay,



It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.

I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.

Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too

scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.

No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...

Does anyone agree with me?



Greetings,



Ernst



    
     

    
    


 



  





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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-07-30 by achtung_999

Poll? ;-)

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> definitely agree!
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. vu-us. com
>
> --- On Sun, 7/31/11, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 1:36 AM
>
>
>
>
> Okay,
>
> It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
>
> I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
>
> Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
>
> scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
>
> No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
>
> Does anyone agree with me?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ernst
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-07-30 by Bakis Sirros

ok, will create one soon!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

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Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 2:33 AM

Poll? ;-)

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> definitely agree!
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. vu-us. com
>
> --- On Sun, 7/31/11, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 1:36 AM
>
>
>
>
> Okay,
>
> It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
>
> I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
>
> Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
>
> scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
>
> No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
>
> Does anyone agree with me?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ernst
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-07-31 by achtung_999

Thanks for putting it up Bakis!
Curious what Dieter will say.





On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> ok, will create one soon!
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. vu-us. com
>
> --- On Sun, 7/31/11, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
>
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 2:33 AM
>
>
> Poll? ;-)
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > definitely agree!
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> >
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> >
> > www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> >
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> >
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> >
> > www. vu-us. com
> >
> > --- On Sun, 7/31/11, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 1:36 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay,
> >
> > It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
> >
> > I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
> >
> > Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
> >
> > scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
> >
> > No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
> >
> > Does anyone agree with me?
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Shift Register

2011-08-01 by NetPierre

I didn't know either what to expect of an Analog Shift Register, but i did find some interesting info online here: 
http://hardsync.blogspot.com/2009/03/brief-history-of-analog-shift-registers.html
Wikipedia does also provide some extra theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_register

I'm looking forward to use cases too, and perhaps pricing...

Greetings,
Pierre Serné / PatchPierre / NetPierre

*Blogpost on this topic with some links will be posted later this week at http://PatchPierre.blogspot.com




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:
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> Could some one please explain the functionality of an analogue shift 
> register and provide some use cases.
> Also a feature list should be useful.
> 
> Am 31.07.2011 13:22, schrieb achtung_999:
> > Thanks for putting it up Bakis!
> > Curious what Dieter will say.
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Florian Anwander

Could some one please explain the functionality of an analogue shift 
register and provide some use cases.
Also a feature list should be useful.

Am 31.07.2011 13:22, schrieb achtung_999:
> Thanks for putting it up Bakis!
> Curious what Dieter will say.

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Bakis Sirros

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs34_asr.html

a 3 step, like the Serge ASR unit would be fine of course.

the 3 register cv outputs, a clock input, a clock output, a sample input.... what else?

all these could fit into a 4HP module...


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

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www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

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Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 11:15 AM

Could some one please explain the functionality of an analogue shift 
register and provide some use cases.
Also a feature list should be useful.

Am 31.07.2011 13:22, schrieb achtung_999:
> Thanks for putting it up Bakis!
> Curious what Dieter will say.


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Julien Rabin

Hi Florian and all,

I guess the illustration on the Plan M23 page makes it useful to get what a shift register do (it did for me at least).

http://www.ear-group.net/model_23.html

Hope this helps.

Best,
Julien

Le 1 août 2011 à 10:15, Florian Anwander a écrit :

> Could some one please explain the functionality of an analogue shift 
> register and provide some use cases.
> Also a feature list should be useful.
> 
> Am 31.07.2011 13:22, schrieb achtung_999:
>> Thanks for putting it up Bakis!
>> Curious what Dieter will say.
> 
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Okay,
>
> It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
> I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
> Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
> scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
> No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
> Does anyone agree with me?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ernst

I think we had this discussion earlier ...

Though the A-152 is not a real ASR you can do similar things with this
module. The most frequently mentioned application is to distribute a control
voltage to the CV inputs of several VCOs. At the rising edge of the clock
signal of the incoming CV is sampled and routed to the next VCO. For this
function an ASR is not essential as the VCOs are equivalent. But there may
be applications that require a "real" ASR (I'd be interested in applications
where an ASR is required and that cannot be realized with the A-152).

In case that we will develop an ASR we'll go the digital way, i.e. ADC -
processor - multiple DAC. This has a lot of advantages, e.g. no voltage loss
of the analog S&H capacitors, included quantizer for VCO pitch applications
and some more. But I'm not sure if the expected sales will justify the
development of such a module (especially as we have already the A-152
available).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Denis Gökdag

Dieter,

the main point of the ASR is that one very clock pulse, you get a different value on *all* outputs, with all outputs with a number greater than 1 showing the "history" of the input CV. The A-152 will hold the last value on each destination defined at the point that that stage became inactive. So the output value of a stage is updated only when it becomes active. Very different from an ASR.

One usage example of an ASR is routing a melodic CV sequence to a number of VCOs --- think "canon": the same melody played by all vcos with one sequence step delay between them. 

Actually I think that an AD/DA based ASR with quantisation options and perhaps 8 or even 16 stages & outputs could be a very successful module.

Best,
Denis Goekdag

On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:02 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

> > Okay,
> >
> > It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
> > I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
> > Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
> > scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
> > No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
> > Does anyone agree with me?
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
> 
> I think we had this discussion earlier ...
> 
> Though the A-152 is not a real ASR you can do similar things with this
> module. The most frequently mentioned application is to distribute a control
> voltage to the CV inputs of several VCOs. At the rising edge of the clock
> signal of the incoming CV is sampled and routed to the next VCO. For this
> function an ASR is not essential as the VCOs are equivalent. But there may
> be applications that require a "real" ASR (I'd be interested in applications
> where an ASR is required and that cannot be realized with the A-152).
> 
> In case that we will develop an ASR we'll go the digital way, i.e. ADC -
> processor - multiple DAC. This has a lot of advantages, e.g. no voltage loss
> of the analog S&H capacitors, included quantizer for VCO pitch applications
> and some more. But I'm not sure if the expected sales will justify the
> development of such a module (especially as we have already the A-152
> available).
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 



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Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Bakis Sirros

agree with Denis.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

--- On Mon, 8/1/11, Denis Gökdag <q-art@gmx.net> wrote:
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Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 1:48 PM

Dieter,

the main point of the ASR is that one very clock pulse, you get a different value on *all* outputs, with all outputs with a number greater than 1 showing the "history" of the input CV. The A-152 will hold the last value on each destination defined at the point that that stage became inactive. So the output value of a stage is updated only when it becomes active. Very different from an ASR.

One usage example of an ASR is routing a melodic CV sequence to a number of VCOs --- think "canon": the same melody played by all vcos with one sequence step delay between them. 

Actually I think that an AD/DA based ASR with quantisation options and perhaps 8 or even 16 stages & outputs could be a very successful module.

Best,
Denis Goekdag

On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:02 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

> > Okay,
> >
> > It has been a while again, so I'll bring it up again.
> > I believe it is time for a Doepfer analogue shift register.
> > Plan B is not sold by any dealer anymore and most people are too
> > scared to deal with mr. Grenader himself.
> > No signs of life on the Plan B/Ear website for ages...
> > Does anyone agree with me?
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
> 
> I think we had this discussion earlier ...
> 
> Though the A-152 is not a real ASR you can do similar things with this
> module. The most frequently mentioned application is to distribute a control
> voltage to the CV inputs of several VCOs. At the rising edge of the clock
> signal of the incoming CV is sampled and routed to the next VCO. For this
> function an ASR is not essential as the VCOs are equivalent. But there may
> be applications that require a "real" ASR (I'd be interested in applications
> where an ASR is required and that cannot be realized with the A-152).
> 
> In case that we will develop an ASR we'll go the digital way, i.e. ADC -
> processor - multiple DAC. This has a lot of advantages, e.g. no voltage loss
> of the analog S&H capacitors, included quantizer for VCO pitch applications
> and some more. But I'm not sure if the expected sales will justify the
> development of such a module (especially as we have already the A-152
> available).
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 



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AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Dieter,
>
> the main point of the ASR is that one very clock pulse, you get a
> different value on *all* outputs, with all outputs with a number
> greater than 1 showing the "history" of the input CV. The A-152
> will hold the last value on each destination defined at the point
> that that stage became inactive. So the output value of a stage
> is updated only when it becomes active. Very different from an ASR.
>
> One usage example of an ASR is routing a melodic CV sequence to a
> number of VCOs --- think "canon": the same melody played by all
> vcos with one sequence step delay between them.
>
> Actually I think that an AD/DA based ASR with quantisation
> options and perhaps 8 or even 16 stages & outputs could be a very
> successful module.
>
> Best,
> Denis Goekdag

Denis,

I still have problems to understand the audible difference in case of e.g.
three VCOs. The only difference between the A-152 and an ASR is that the
"history" CVs are available at different outputs. In case of an ASR the
"history" voltages are shifted to the next CV outputs. In case of the A-152
they remain at the same CV output. But from my point of view this does not
make an audible difference (unless you insert e.g. slew limiters between ASR
CV Out and VCO CV In) as the three CV output voltages are the same. They
only appear at different sockets. If the VCOs are equivalent this should
make no difference. please correct me if I'm wrong.

Dieter

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Florian Anwander

Hi Dieter

> I still have problems to understand the audible difference in case of e.g.
> three VCOs.
Retriggering of the voices when beeing rotated (would not happen with 
the 152).
Having different sound settings on each VCO, so the sound of one note 
will alter with running through the "history". Or more complex: having 
completely different sound processing.

Though I personally do not need such a module, I can imagine that there 
are use cases.

Florian

Re: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Denis Gökdag

Dieter,

say we have 4 vcos and a 4-stage ASR. We feed the VCOs a melody like A-C-D-E

On the A-152, we would see (A 0 0 0) (A C 0 0) (A C D 0) (A C D E) etc
On an ASR, we would see (A 0 0 0) (C A 0 0) (D C A 0) (E D C A) (A E D C) etc

You are right in that after one cycle, we will have the 4 voltages available simultaneously. BUT you are wrong in assuming that the VCOs will all be the same. Imagine 4 mono synths with completely different sounds. On the A-152, each synth will *stay on the same note* in this example. On the ASR, each synth will be playing the melody, but delayed by one step. Big difference.

Or lets say we have a 3-step melody, A-C-D, running into the same setup.

A-152: (A 0 0 0) (A C 0 0) (A C D 0) (A C D A) (C C D A) (C D D A) (C D A A) etc
ASR: (A 0 0 0) (C A 0 0) (D C A 0) (A D C A) (C A D C) (D C A D) etc


I hope this clears it up a bit.

Denis



On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:01 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

> > Dieter,
> >
> > the main point of the ASR is that one very clock pulse, you get a
> > different value on *all* outputs, with all outputs with a number
> > greater than 1 showing the "history" of the input CV. The A-152
> > will hold the last value on each destination defined at the point
> > that that stage became inactive. So the output value of a stage
> > is updated only when it becomes active. Very different from an ASR.
> >
> > One usage example of an ASR is routing a melodic CV sequence to a
> > number of VCOs --- think "canon": the same melody played by all
> > vcos with one sequence step delay between them.
> >
> > Actually I think that an AD/DA based ASR with quantisation
> > options and perhaps 8 or even 16 stages & outputs could be a very
> > successful module.
> >
> > Best,
> > Denis Goekdag
> 
> Denis,
> 
> I still have problems to understand the audible difference in case of e.g.
> three VCOs. The only difference between the A-152 and an ASR is that the
> "history" CVs are available at different outputs. In case of an ASR the
> "history" voltages are shifted to the next CV outputs. In case of the A-152
> they remain at the same CV output. But from my point of view this does not
> make an audible difference (unless you insert e.g. slew limiters between ASR
> CV Out and VCO CV In) as the three CV output voltages are the same. They
> only appear at different sockets. If the VCOs are equivalent this should
> make no difference. please correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> Dieter
> 
> 



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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Bakis Sirros

that's the difference! and its not a small one, from a musical point of view.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com

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      Hi Dieter



> I still have problems to understand the audible difference in case of e.g.

> three VCOs.

Retriggering of the voices when beeing rotated (would not happen with 

the 152).

Having different sound settings on each VCO, so the sound of one note 

will alter with running through the "history". Or more complex: having 

completely different sound processing.



Though I personally do not need such a module, I can imagine that there 

are use cases.



Florian



    
     

    
    


 



  





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AW: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Dieter,
>
> say we have 4 vcos and a 4-stage ASR. We feed the VCOs a melody
> like A-C-D-E
>
> On the A-152, we would see (A 0 0 0) (A C 0 0) (A C D 0) (A C D E) etc
> On an ASR, we would see (A 0 0 0) (C A 0 0) (D C A 0) (E D C A)
> (A E D C) etc
>
> You are right in that after one cycle, we will have the 4
> voltages available simultaneously. BUT you are wrong in assuming
> that the VCOs will all be the same. Imagine 4 mono synths with
> completely different sounds. On the A-152, each synth will *stay
> on the same note* in this example. On the ASR, each synth will be
> playing the melody, but delayed by one step. Big difference.
>
> Or lets say we have a 3-step melody, A-C-D, running into the same setup.
>
> A-152: (A 0 0 0) (A C 0 0) (A C D 0) (A C D A) (C C D A) (C D D
> A) (C D A A) etc
> ASR: (A 0 0 0) (C A 0 0) (D C A 0) (A D C A) (C A D C) (D C A D) etc
>
>
> I hope this clears it up a bit.
>
> Denis

Hello Denis,

if you think about complete voices with different settings the difference is
obvious. I took only the VCOs into consideration.

Thank you
Dieter

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Bakis Sirros

so, Dieter, i guess its time to start planning one then...    ;-)



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Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
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      > Dieter,

>

> say we have 4 vcos and a 4-stage ASR. We feed the VCOs a melody

> like A-C-D-E

>

> On the A-152, we would see (A 0 0 0) (A C 0 0) (A C D 0) (A C D E) etc

> On an ASR, we would see (A 0 0 0) (C A 0 0) (D C A 0) (E D C A)

> (A E D C) etc

>

> You are right in that after one cycle, we will have the 4

> voltages available simultaneously. BUT you are wrong in assuming

> that the VCOs will all be the same. Imagine 4 mono synths with

> completely different sounds. On the A-152, each synth will *stay

> on the same note* in this example. On the ASR, each synth will be

> playing the melody, but delayed by one step. Big difference.

>

> Or lets say we have a 3-step melody, A-C-D, running into the same setup.

>

> A-152: (A 0 0 0) (A C 0 0) (A C D 0) (A C D A) (C C D A) (C D D

> A) (C D A A) etc

> ASR: (A 0 0 0) (C A 0 0) (D C A 0) (A D C A) (C A D C) (D C A D) etc

>

>

> I hope this clears it up a bit.

>

> Denis



Hello Denis,



if you think about complete voices with different settings the difference is

obvious. I took only the VCOs into consideration.



Thank you

Dieter





    
     

    
    


 



  





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AW: AW: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> so, Dieter, i guess its time to start planning one then...    ;-)

Let's see how many users really want to have such a module. I personally never missed it. The design is not very challenging - just a simple AD/microcontroller/DA application. If there are sufficient inquiries we will develop the module. I'll wait for the poll results before a decision is made.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by Denis Gökdag

I keep forgetting my Yahoo password as I have no business with Yahoo apart from maybe one Doepfer poll a year, so count the result +1 *for* the module. If it helps, I'll order a few straight away ;-)

8 Stages would be good, 16 perfect. 

Another idea would be to have a precision adder style -+ octave offset switch and offset CV input --- making it easy to transpose all connected destination VCOs in one go, or give them the same FM etc. This way a user could potentially save MANY modules in a patch ;-)

--Denis



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> > so, Dieter, i guess its time to start planning one then... ;-)
> 
> Let's see how many users really want to have such a module. I personally never missed it. The design is not very challenging - just a simple AD/microcontroller/DA application. If there are sufficient inquiries we will develop the module. I'll wait for the poll results before a decision is made.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 



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Re: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by jakobsweb

I have rarely seen this group get so passionate about a module idea. Now that I have eventually understood what everybody is talking about I'm officially in the market :-) ... 
Here is a youtube link on how an ASR module can sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJu6NiNlGY
(sorry if it has already been posted)

greetings
Jakob

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
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> > so, Dieter, i guess its time to start planning one then...    ;-)
> 
> Let's see how many users really want to have such a module. I personally never missed it. The design is not very challenging - just a simple AD/microcontroller/DA application. If there are sufficient inquiries we will develop the module. I'll wait for the poll results before a decision is made.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

Re: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Shift Register

2011-08-01 by achtung_999

>
> I have rarely seen this group get so passionate about a module idea.
>
Well, it is something that has been discussed a few times before :-)


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RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Shift Register

2011-08-03 by Sylvain Delisle

Hey, that’s my blog just there!  http://hardsync.blogspot.com/  Just so that
you know that the author is among you guys.  And that I still whish to get a
real ASR in Euro-Rack some day.  Malekko could be it, but it must hold the
voltage steady without drift when passing the values. 

 

:-)

Sylvain

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Behalf Of NetPierre
Sent: 1 août 2011 05:26
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Shift Register

 

  

I didn't know either what to expect of an Analog Shift Register, but i did
find some interesting info online here: 
http://hardsync.blogspot.com/2009/03/brief-history-of-analog-shift-registers
.html
Wikipedia does also provide some extra theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_register

I'm looking forward to use cases too, and perhaps pricing...

Greetings,
Pierre Serné / PatchPierre / NetPierre

*Blogpost on this topic with some links will be posted later this week at
http://PatchPierre.blogspot.com

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, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:
>
> Could some one please explain the functionality of an analogue shift 
> register and provide some use cases.
> Also a feature list should be useful.
> 
> Am 31.07.2011 13:22, schrieb achtung_999:
> > Thanks for putting it up Bakis!
> > Curious what Dieter will say.
>



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