Doepfer

>(I'd be interested in applications where an ASR is required and that cannot be realized with the A-152)

The original functionality poses a unique compositional challenge and result when used. Serge termed it an Arabesque generator at one point, after the classical music term. Also "canon" has been brought up which can certainly apply (though isn't typically one note offset).  Then again with a sufficient number of registers one can ouput only select registers rather than all at once.

I guess a question I have is are there any other functions not dealing with circuitry aided composition?

How I'd answer Dieter is it produces a specific result in terms of composition, something else similar in some respects does not produce the same result from a compositional standpoint.

Dieter may have a point in that the number of users actually working in that general area isn't too huge. One really needs a bigger system since at minimum you would need to dedicate an oscillator to each shifted output. Some interest here is surely just having a module that does something "new" as well as the feeling of getting a what might be considered a Serge related capability without buying a Serge system. 

Though there is, imho, a demand for tools to make a sequence more complex exists. Not that the ASR input has to be from a sequencer

I would surely buy a multiple output digital module that included a number of digitally generated CV functions including an ASR. Because if one is going to go the route of using a microcontroller, one could include multiple function options on one module.

Nick

> I would surely buy a multiple output digital module that included
> a number of digitally generated CV functions including an ASR.
> Because if one is going to go the route of using a
> microcontroller, one could include multiple function options on
> one module.
>
> Nick

Thank you for your detailed answer. We already discussed the chance of
multiple functions in the company. One could treat the ASR as kind of a ring
memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV source via
AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
could be looped or not by means of a simple switch. One could combine the
module with arpeggiator functions, e.g. fill the memory by playing a chord
on a keyboard  and then use only one of the CV outputs. One may also fill it
with several analog CVs and the filling could be triggered by a gate signal
(i.e. output of a sequencer or a CV/gate keyboard). That way one could
combine several similar functions in one module. From my point of view this
would make more sense than a pure ASR. One could combine the functions of an
ASR, arpeggiator and and a rudimental digital sequencer. For ASR the number
of steps could be limited e.g. to 3 or 4, for the arpeggiator and sequencer
more steps make sense. A lot of ideas for the long evenings of the upcoming
fall and winter .... :-)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Sounds good :-)

A variable number of steps drawn from a maximum of 8 or 16 would be great. Imagine varying number of synth voices playing the ASR melody, or droning on their last tone when the step number changes and their respective output is no longer cycled....

ab-so-lu-te-ly cool.

Denis

On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:48 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

> 
> > I would surely buy a multiple output digital module that included
> > a number of digitally generated CV functions including an ASR.
> > Because if one is going to go the route of using a
> > microcontroller, one could include multiple function options on
> > one module.
> >
> > Nick
> 
> Thank you for your detailed answer. We already discussed the chance of
> multiple functions in the company. One could treat the ASR as kind of a ring
> memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV source via
> AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
> could be looped or not by means of a simple switch. One could combine the
> module with arpeggiator functions, e.g. fill the memory by playing a chord
> on a keyboard and then use only one of the CV outputs. One may also fill it
> with several analog CVs and the filling could be triggered by a gate signal
> (i.e. output of a sequencer or a CV/gate keyboard). That way one could
> combine several similar functions in one module. From my point of view this
> would make more sense than a pure ASR. One could combine the functions of an
> ASR, arpeggiator and and a rudimental digital sequencer. For ASR the number
> of steps could be limited e.g. to 3 or 4, for the arpeggiator and sequencer
> more steps make sense. A lot of ideas for the long evenings of the upcoming
> fall and winter .... :-)
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 



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Hello

> memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV source via
> AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
> could be looped or not by means of a simple switch.
Stupid question: Isn't a ASR filled by MIDI a polyphonic MIDI/CV 
interface? (for full functionality would two ASR would be required, one 
for CV and one for Gate).

Florian

I will definitely buy such a module.
Jakob
Am 02.08.2011 14:48 schrieb <yahoo@doepfer.de>:
>
>> I would surely buy a multiple output digital module that included
>> a number of digitally generated CV functions including an ASR.
>> Because if one is going to go the route of using a
>> microcontroller, one could include multiple function options on
>> one module.
>>
>> Nick
>
> Thank you for your detailed answer. We already discussed the chance of
> multiple functions in the company. One could treat the ASR as kind of a
ring
> memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV source via
> AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
> could be looped or not by means of a simple switch. One could combine the
> module with arpeggiator functions, e.g. fill the memory by playing a chord
> on a keyboard and then use only one of the CV outputs. One may also fill
it
> with several analog CVs and the filling could be triggered by a gate
signal
> (i.e. output of a sequencer or a CV/gate keyboard). That way one could
> combine several similar functions in one module. From my point of view
this
> would make more sense than a pure ASR. One could combine the functions of
an
> ASR, arpeggiator and and a rudimental digital sequencer. For ASR the
number
> of steps could be limited e.g. to 3 or 4, for the arpeggiator and
sequencer
> more steps make sense. A lot of ideas for the long evenings of the
upcoming
> fall and winter .... :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
>


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sounds very nice!!

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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
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> I would surely buy a multiple output digital module that included

> a number of digitally generated CV functions including an ASR.

> Because if one is going to go the route of using a

> microcontroller, one could include multiple function options on

> one module.

>

> Nick



Thank you for your detailed answer. We already discussed the chance of

multiple functions in the company. One could treat the ASR as kind of a ring

memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV source via

AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory

could be looped or not by means of a simple switch. One could combine the

module with arpeggiator functions, e.g. fill the memory by playing a chord

on a keyboard  and then use only one of the CV outputs. One may also fill it

with several analog CVs and the filling could be triggered by a gate signal

(i.e. output of a sequencer or a CV/gate keyboard). That way one could

combine several similar functions in one module. From my point of view this

would make more sense than a pure ASR. One could combine the functions of an

ASR, arpeggiator and and a rudimental digital sequencer. For ASR the number

of steps could be limited e.g. to 3 or 4, for the arpeggiator and sequencer

more steps make sense. A lot of ideas for the long evenings of the upcoming

fall and winter .... :-)



Best wishes

Dieter Doepfer





    
     

    
    


 



  





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It may be interesting to be able to burst all stored voltages
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> I would surely buy a multiple output digital module that included
> a number of digitally generated CV functions including an ASR.
> Because if one is going to go the route of using a
> microcontroller, one could include multiple function options on
> one module.
>
> Nick

Thank you for your detailed answer. We already discussed the chance of
multiple functions in the company. One could treat the ASR as kind of a
ring
memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV source
via
AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
could be looped or not by means of a simple switch. One could combine
the
module with arpeggiator functions, e.g. fill the memory by playing a
chord
on a keyboard and then use only one of the CV outputs. One may also fill
it
with several analog CVs and the filling could be triggered by a gate
signal
(i.e. output of a sequencer or a CV/gate keyboard). That way one could
combine several similar functions in one module. From my point of view
this
would make more sense than a pure ASR. One could combine the functions
of an
ASR, arpeggiator and and a rudimental digital sequencer. For ASR the
number
of steps could be limited e.g. to 3 or 4, for the arpeggiator and
sequencer
more steps make sense. A lot of ideas for the long evenings of the
upcoming
fall and winter .... :-)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer





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> Hello
>
> > memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV
> source via
> > AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
> > could be looped or not by means of a simple switch.
> Stupid question: Isn't a ASR filled by MIDI a polyphonic MIDI/CV
> interface? (for full functionality would two ASR would be required, one
> for CV and one for Gate).
>
> Florian

Florian,

maybe all has to do with the fact that I'm currently working on the redesign
of the polyphonic CV interface (A-190-5). It has also 16 DAC outputs
available (four of them will be used as gates) and that's hardware structure
similar to a 16-fold ASR. I think with the corresponding assign algorithm
the polyphonic CV interface can be treated as an ASR filled by Midi note
messages.

Dieter

Nice that it is growing and growing.
But I just asked for a simple and small module with a reasonable price.
I sense an A-152-2 coming up
Massive real-estate.. etc etc
I don't need the midi/usb function. There are nice midi>cv converters in the
Doepfer catalogue.. etc etc..
Heck, I will not even use it for arpeggios. I like the idea of a shift
register for abstract/noisy patches..

In other words: When is there a price/HP estimation?
Sorry to be a party pooper... learned another lesson: be careful what you
wish for.
It will probably end that I have to order the Ken Stone pcbs :-(

Ernst




On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

> **
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > > memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV
> > source via
> > > AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
> > > could be looped or not by means of a simple switch.
> > Stupid question: Isn't a ASR filled by MIDI a polyphonic MIDI/CV
> > interface? (for full functionality would two ASR would be required, one
> > for CV and one for Gate).
> >
> > Florian
>
> Florian,
>
> maybe all has to do with the fact that I'm currently working on the
> redesign
> of the polyphonic CV interface (A-190-5). It has also 16 DAC outputs
> available (four of them will be used as gates) and that's hardware
> structure
> similar to a 16-fold ASR. I think with the corresponding assign algorithm
> the polyphonic CV interface can be treated as an ASR filled by Midi note
> messages.
>
> Dieter
>
>  
>


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If you want small, this will probably come sooner then the curious thing Dieter is planning...

Malekko Q-ASR: http://muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19495&start=all&postdays=0&postorder=asc

I already have the Ken Stone ASR.  Love it.

John.

On 2 Aug 2011, at 21:35, achtung_999 wrote:

> Nice that it is growing and growing.
> But I just asked for a simple and small module with a reasonable price.
> I sense an A-152-2 coming up
> Massive real-estate.. etc etc
> I don't need the midi/usb function. There are nice midi>cv converters in the
> Doepfer catalogue.. etc etc..
> Heck, I will not even use it for arpeggios. I like the idea of a shift
> register for abstract/noisy patches..
> 
> In other words: When is there a price/HP estimation?
> Sorry to be a party pooper... learned another lesson: be careful what you
> wish for.
> It will probably end that I have to order the Ken Stone pcbs :-(
> 
> Ernst
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:
> 
>> **
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>>> memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV
>>> source via
>>>> AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring memory
>>>> could be looped or not by means of a simple switch.
>>> Stupid question: Isn't a ASR filled by MIDI a polyphonic MIDI/CV
>>> interface? (for full functionality would two ASR would be required, one
>>> for CV and one for Gate).
>>> 
>>> Florian
>> 
>> Florian,
>> 
>> maybe all has to do with the fact that I'm currently working on the
>> redesign
>> of the polyphonic CV interface (A-190-5). It has also 16 DAC outputs
>> available (four of them will be used as gates) and that's hardware
>> structure
>> similar to a 16-fold ASR. I think with the corresponding assign algorithm
>> the polyphonic CV interface can be treated as an ASR filled by Midi note
>> messages.
>> 
>> Dieter
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 



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Thanks John.. That is exactly what I'm after!
You have any idea when it will be out?
Sorry Dieter..

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:45 PM, john chantler <john@inventingzero.net>wrote:

> **
>
>
> If you want small, this will probably come sooner then the curious thing
> Dieter is planning...
>
> Malekko Q-ASR:
> http://muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19495&start=all&postdays=0&postorder=asc
>
> I already have the Ken Stone ASR. Love it.
>
> John.
>
>
> On 2 Aug 2011, at 21:35, achtung_999 wrote:
>
> > Nice that it is growing and growing.
> > But I just asked for a simple and small module with a reasonable price.
> > I sense an A-152-2 coming up
> > Massive real-estate.. etc etc
> > I don't need the midi/usb function. There are nice midi>cv converters in
> the
> > Doepfer catalogue.. etc etc..
> > Heck, I will not even use it for arpeggios. I like the idea of a shift
> > register for abstract/noisy patches..
> >
> > In other words: When is there a price/HP estimation?
> > Sorry to be a party pooper... learned another lesson: be careful what you
> > wish for.
> > It will probably end that I have to order the Ken Stone pcbs :-(
> >
> > Ernst
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 3:58 PM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello
> >>>
> >>>> memory that could be "filled" in different ways. E.g. from a CV
> >>> source via
> >>>> AD conversion (the usual ASR) but also via Midi or USB. The ring
> memory
> >>>> could be looped or not by means of a simple switch.
> >>> Stupid question: Isn't a ASR filled by MIDI a polyphonic MIDI/CV
> >>> interface? (for full functionality would two ASR would be required, one
> >>> for CV and one for Gate).
> >>>
> >>> Florian
> >>
> >> Florian,
> >>
> >> maybe all has to do with the fact that I'm currently working on the
> >> redesign
> >> of the polyphonic CV interface (A-190-5). It has also 16 DAC outputs
> >> available (four of them will be used as gates) and that's hardware
> >> structure
> >> similar to a 16-fold ASR. I think with the corresponding assign
> algorithm
> >> the polyphonic CV interface can be treated as an ASR filled by Midi note
> >> messages.
> >>
> >> Dieter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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