Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I wondered if anyone could suggest a matte 13" roll paper for my Epson 2200 - I have started doing a few panoramas that might have commercial appeal, but don't fancy a chromira print - I'd rather do it myself.

thanks,
Richard
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard 
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I wondered if anyone could suggest a matte 13" roll paper for my 
Epson 2200 - I have started doing a few panoramas that might have 
commercial appeal, but don't fancy a chromira print - I'd rather do 
it myself.
> 
> thanks,
> Richard
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
> http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
> http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)
> 

Hi Richard,

I have settled on two roll papers for my 2200. One is Epson Radiant 
White Watercolor and the other is Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 388GSM.

However . . what I do is to get 36" rolls (Hahnemuhle) and have a 
cabinet maker friend cut the rolls in half with a fine blade chop 
saw. Often I can't tell which the factory end is and which the cut 
end is. It is also extremely cost effective.

Cheers

Jules

I've recently settled on Permajet Alpha 310g for all my fine art printing.
The main reason is that I get it for less than half the price of Photo Rag.
I love Photo Rag, but it's outrageously expensive, and Alpha looks just as
good. It's an acid free cotton rag paper without OBA's so should be very
archival. 

They have 24", 36" and 44" rolls. I suggest getting one of them and cut them
to size. You'll also need a modified roll holder for the big rolls. 

I get mine from http://www.fotomayr.de/, but I'm not sure where to get them
in New Zealand.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

> I wondered if anyone could suggest a matte 13" roll paper for 
> my Epson 2200 - I have started doing a few panoramas that 
> might have commercial appeal, but don't fancy a chromira 
> print - I'd rather do it myself.

I really like Permajet Alpha.  It's just not distributed in the U.S.  None
of the Innova papers are like it.  I wonder what the cost of shipping to the
U.S. would be.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Staver
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:29 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] 13" matte roll papers

 

I've recently settled on Permajet Alpha 310g for all my fine art printing.
The main reason is that I get it for less than half the price of Photo Rag.
I love Photo Rag, but it's outrageously expensive, and Alpha looks just as
good. It's an acid free cotton rag paper without OBA's so should be very
archival. 

They have 24", 36" and 44" rolls. I suggest getting one of them and cut them
to size. You'll also need a modified roll holder for the big rolls. 

I get mine from http://www.fotomayr <http://www.fotomayr.de/,> .de/, but I'm
not sure where to get them
in New Zealand.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel. <http://daniel.staver.no> staver.no

> I wondered if anyone could suggest a matte 13" roll paper for 
> my Epson 2200 - I have started doing a few panoramas that 
> might have commercial appeal, but don't fancy a chromira 
> print - I'd rather do it myself.

 



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I just took a quick look at the prices, and it appears the Alpha at the
outlet below is about the same price that U.S. buyers pay for Epson
UltraSmooth and Premier Art Hot Press 325.  The Premier Art 205 is what I
use in rolls, in part (OK, perhaps mostly), because it is a lot cheaper.
Can you get this (http://www.atlex.com/premier/fine-art-205.htm) paper in
Europe?

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Staver
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:29 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] 13" matte roll papers

 

I've recently settled on Permajet Alpha 310g for all my fine art printing.
The main reason is that I get it for less than half the price of Photo Rag.
I love Photo Rag, but it's outrageously expensive, and Alpha looks just as
good. It's an acid free cotton rag paper without OBA's so should be very
archival. 

They have 24", 36" and 44" rolls. I suggest getting one of them and cut them
to size. You'll also need a modified roll holder for the big rolls. 

I get mine from http://www.fotomayr <http://www.fotomayr.de/,> .de/, but I'm
not sure where to get them
in New Zealand.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel. <http://daniel.staver.no> staver.no

> I wondered if anyone could suggest a matte 13" roll paper for 
> my Epson 2200 - I have started doing a few panoramas that 
> might have commercial appeal, but don't fancy a chromira 
> print - I'd rather do it myself.

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, in my experience shipping paper from US to Norway is usually more expensive than the paper itself. I'm not sure if it's equally expensive the other way... In general shipping within Europe seems to be much more reasonable though. I paid €32 for shipping 100 sheets of 13x19 and 100 sheets of A4 Permajet Alpha from Germany to Norway. Not bad at all. Here in Norway 50 sheets of 308g 13x19 Photo Rag is about $400.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

> I really like Permajet Alpha.  It's just not distributed in 
> the U.S.  None of the Innova papers are like it.  I wonder 
> what the cost of shipping to the U.S. would be.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Staver" 
<daniel@...> wrote:
>
> Well, in my experience shipping paper from US to Norway is usually 
more expensive than the paper itself. I'm not sure if it's equally 
expensive the other way... In general shipping within Europe seems 
to be much more reasonable though. I paid €32 for shipping 100 
sheets of 13x19 and 100 sheets of A4 Permajet Alpha from Germany to 
Norway. Not bad at all. Here in Norway 50 sheets of 308g 13x19 Photo 
Rag is about $400.

Daniel,

That is outrageously expensive! Here in the Netherlands I pay 166 
euro for 50 sheets A3+ (13"x19") 308 gr Photo Rag. Actually I 
settled for A3 (30x41cm) which is just a bit smaller but per m2 much 
cheaper (50 sheets for 108 euro). Are you sure you can't get a 
better deal??

Joost

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: horstenj
> Well, in my experience shipping paper from US to Norway is usually
more expensive than the paper itself. I'm not sure if it's equally
expensive the other way... In general shipping within Europe seems
to be much more reasonable though. I paid \ufffd,\ufffd32 for shipping 100
sheets of 13x19 and 100 sheets of A4 Permajet Alpha from Germany to
Norway. Not bad at all. Here in Norway 50 sheets of 308g 13x19 Photo
Rag is about $400.

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Hi
You could try Warehouse Express  in the UK - see
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/index.cfm?photo/printers/epson.html&gclid=CP2ktc7O_4cCFURBEgodiB-3Hg#4800!GCID=S18120x002&KEYWORD=Stylus+Pro+4800

A3+ Alpha costs \ufffd78 for 50 sheets - less than  Joost pays.

Brian*

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From: Brian
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 13" matte roll papers


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: horstenj
> Well, in my experience shipping paper from US to Norway is usually
more expensive than the paper itself. I'm not sure if it's equally
expensive the other way... In general shipping within Europe seems
to be much more reasonable though. I paid \ufffd,\ufffd32 for shipping 100
sheets of 13x19 and 100 sheets of A4 Permajet Alpha from Germany to
Norway. Not bad at all. Here in Norway 50 sheets of 308g 13x19 Photo
Rag is about $400.

****************************************************

Hi
You could try Warehouse Express in the UK - see
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/index.cfm?photo/printers/epson.html&gclid=CP2ktc7O_4cCFURBEgodiB-3Hg#4800!GCID=S18120x002&KEYWORD=Stylus+Pro+4800

A3+ Alpha costs \ufffd78 for 50 sheets - less than Joost pays.

Brian*


Sorry - link Yahooed. http://www.warehouseexpress.com  Click on Digital, 
Inkjet Paper, Permajet, Papers.

Brian

Thanks! Their prices are very good. I didn't see shipping prices for
Norway, but will send them a mail and ask.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

> You could try Warehouse Express  in the UK - see
> A3+ Alpha costs \ufffd78 for 50 sheets - less than  Joost pays.

Hi Daniel & co,
thanks so much for all your input.

Thanks for the tip about the Permajet papers - Euroconz.com have it in Auckland.

At 12:29 AM Thursday 11/2/2006, you wrote:
>I've recently settled on Permajet Alpha 310g for all my fine art printing.
>The main reason is that I get it for less than half the price of Photo Rag.
>I love Photo Rag, but it's outrageously expensive, 

I paid about NZ$350 for 50 A3 sheets of Photorag 308 at Aarque Graphics ... I'll have to phone Euroco and see what the Permajet sells for.

>They have 24", 36" and 44" rolls. I suggest getting one of them and cut them
>to size. You'll also need a modified roll holder for the big rolls. 

They have all these sizes at Euroco ... I'm not sure what to do about modifying the roll holder though. What is necessary? It's disappointing that Epson did not set the printer up better for these papers and that they don't come in 13" width.

thanks,
Richard 
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http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)


   "We are more easily led part by part to an understanding of 
   the whole."
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Hi again,
Euroco has been taken over by Apix and they don't have these Permajet papers any more, alas, because no one bought them!

So all I can get in New Zealand is Epson Enhanced Matte in a 30m roll, cut to size by Aarque Graphics.

I normally only use this paper for proofing as I don't like the mottling in the shadows and it goes yellow so fast.

Maybe I'll just have to use it and frame with UV glass to stop the yellowing.

thanks to you all for your help,
Richard
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http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com (Photos web site)
http://warkworth.vze.com/ (Warkworth photo essay)


   "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." 
   --H. G. Wells (1866-1946)

Yes, printer paper and ink in Norway is incredibly expensive. I might be
able to save $50 or so if I find a really good deal here, but that's still
far too expensive.

20 sheets of Epson VFA is about $135, also very expensive

I buy all my ink from MIS and all my paper from other countries. I'm not
sure I could afford to do this if I bought everything here. 

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

> That is outrageously expensive! Here in the Netherlands I pay 
> 166 euro for 50 sheets A3+ (13"x19") 308 gr Photo Rag. 
> Actually I settled for A3 (30x41cm) which is just a bit 
> smaller but per m2 much cheaper (50 sheets for 108 euro). Are 
> you sure you can't get a better deal??

How much is shipping from Europe to New Zealand? For me even ordering from
overseas is cheaper than buying local, but I'm not sure what the prices are
in your part of the world...

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

> Euroco has been taken over by Apix and they don't have these 
> Permajet papers any more, alas, because no one bought them!