Digital BW, The Print

I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?

This has been discussed to the point of being a flaming discussion.  Look in the archeives.
   
  Tom Baker
  

B Richfurd <sonarthug@...> wrote:
  I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?





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"ink prints" or "pigment ink prints"

If it's good enough for John Szarkowski, it's good enough for me...

When I exhibit my own work at a gallery, I avoid the term
Glicee, for a number of reasons...

I personally avoid any connotation the presented image is a
gelatin and, or silver print for obvious reasons.

³Digital Fine Art² is a good, but very broad term.

³Carbon Ink Print² is an excellent term if you use that ink set.

And, as Tim suggested earlier, ³Ink Print² and, or possibly
³Pigment ink Print.²

jim k




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Please don't start this thread again. Please check the archives.
Thanks so much,
Mark

On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:03 PM, B Richfurd wrote:

> I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
>
>
>
>
>

I only use the word "Giclee" when referenceing a reproduction, not an original.  So, for 
instance, a Painting or Watercolor which has been photographed or scanned and then 
reproduced I would call a "Giclee".  If its a work of art which has never existed in print 
form before being printed, then I refer to the exact technology used.  Thus, Pigment Ink 
Print or Carbon Pigment Ink Print.  Some will just say Ink Jet Print which is too generic for 
me.  Historically, Photography and Museums have always referred to the technology used 
to make the print when describing it.  Ie. Silver Gelatin Print, Chromogenic Print, Dye 
Transfer Print, and so on.  The term "Giclee" is very generic in one since in that it simply 
translates "to squirt" or something similar.  The term has seen its most use as describing a 
means of reproducing an original thus my reasoning.  In the general publics mind, its a 
pretty "fuzzy" term so you will find many who do not know exactly what a "giclee" is.  The 
History of the Iris Printer, how it was first used for just proofing, and then how Nash 
started using it for Fine Art, High Quality reproductions would need to be referenced to 
explain things more fully.  Nashes assistant just came up with the term "Giclee" to 
differentiate what they were doing with the Iris Printer versus what it had always been used 
for.  That's a quick history.  Don't kow how much of all that is in the Archives... 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> 
wrote:
>
> This has been discussed to the point of being a flaming discussion.  Look in the 
archeives.
>    
>   Tom Baker
>   
> 
> B Richfurd <sonarthug@...> wrote:
>   I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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In recent gallery shows, I have seen works labeled "carbon print"
(monochrome) and "Epson print" (color) displayed next to traditional
"silver gelatin prints" and "C-prints" by the same artist.

At one of these shows, I amused myself by trying to identify the
printing method before I got close enough to read the card.

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "l33ry" <l33ry@...> wrote:
>
> In recent gallery shows, I have seen works labeled "carbon print"
> (monochrome) and "Epson print" (color) displayed next to traditional
> "silver gelatin prints" and "C-prints" by the same artist.
> 
> At one of these shows, I amused myself by trying to identify the
> printing method before I got close enough to read the card.
> 
> Bob
>

Simply saying "Carbon Print" was a really really poor choice of name if the print was produced 
using ink jet technology as a "Carbon Print" refers to a very old traditional process, as has 
been mentioned here before.  "Carbon Pigment Ink Print" would have been better or anything 
else which has not already been widely used.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "l33ry" 
<l33ry@...> wrote:
>
> In recent gallery shows, I have seen works labeled "carbon print"
> (monochrome) and "Epson print" (color) displayed next to traditional
> "silver gelatin prints" and "C-prints" by the same artist.
> 
> At one of these shows, I amused myself by trying to identify the
> printing method before I got close enough to read the card.
> 
> Bob


Since I use film as a capture medium, then often scan the negs, 
process on a computer and print digitally, I call my stuff that goes 
that route, Mixed Media.

Works great.

Jules

I agree, it may be ambiguous or worse, even if it is accurate in some
technical sense. And thanks for reminding me: "archival pigment print"
and "pigment ink print" (as you do) are also terms I have seen used at
various times to refer to Epson pigment-ink output.

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"tariqgibranstudio" <tariqgibranstudio@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "l33ry"
<l33ry@> wrote:
> >
> > In recent gallery shows, I have seen works labeled "carbon print"
> > (monochrome) and "Epson print" (color) displayed next to traditional
> > "silver gelatin prints" and "C-prints" by the same artist.
> > 
> > At one of these shows, I amused myself by trying to identify the
> > printing method before I got close enough to read the card.
> > 
> > Bob
> >
> 
> Simply saying "Carbon Print" was a really really poor choice of name
if the print was produced 
> using ink jet technology as a "Carbon Print" refers to a very old
traditional process, as has 
> been mentioned here before.  "Carbon Pigment Ink Print" would have
been better or anything 
> else which has not already been widely used.
>

Jules,

> 
> Since I use film as a capture medium, then often scan the negs, 
> process on a computer and print digitally, I call my stuff that goes 
> that route, Mixed Media.
> 
> Works great.

Strictly speaking, labeling ink jet prints as "Mixed Media" is a 
misnomer, irregardless of how you captured or make a photographic image 
for printing. I would suggest you Google the phrase "Mixed Media" to 
get an idea of what that phrase actually imputes.


Don Bryant

Jules,

> 
> Since I use film as a capture medium, then often scan the negs, 
> process on a computer and print digitally, I call my stuff that goes 
> that route, Mixed Media.
> 
> Works great.

Strictly speaking, labeling ink jet prints as "Mixed Media" is a 
misnomer, irregardless of how you captured or make a photographic image 
for printing. I would suggest you Google the phrase "Mixed Media" to 
get an idea of what that phrase actually imputes.


Don Bryant

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "donbga" 
<dstevenbryant@...> wrote:
>
> Jules,
> 
> > 
> > Since I use film as a capture medium, then often scan the negs, 
> > process on a computer and print digitally, I call my stuff that 
goes 
> > that route, Mixed Media.
> > 
> > Works great.
> 
> Strictly speaking, labeling ink jet prints as "Mixed Media" is a 
> misnomer, irregardless of how you captured or make a photographic 
image 
> for printing. I would suggest you Google the phrase "Mixed Media" 
to 
> get an idea of what that phrase actually imputes.
> 
> 
> Don Bryant


Well Don, since I have been an artist for most of my adult life, 
coming from a family of artists I have a pretty good idea of what the 
literal translation of the term is. I'm just stretching it and 
giggling it a bit.

Jules

I call them photographs. If that's not sufficient, I say they are produced digitally. If that's not 
sufficient I indicate that they are archival and will last a very long time and I hope to be 
around long enough to see them disintegrate. maybe 100 years or so.
Dick Capuozzo



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" <sonarthug@...> wrote:

>
> I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
>

So that's what you put on the descriptive label describing your piece beside your print, 
"Photograph" or that lengthy vague paragraph saying that they will last a very long time 
blah blah blah...  Never seen that one used in a gallery or Museum yet which is what the 
original question concerned.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jcap40" <gtmlabels@...> wrote:
>
> I call them photographs. If that's not sufficient, I say they are produced digitally. If that's 
not 
> sufficient I indicate that they are archival and will last a very long time and I hope to be 
> around long enough to see them disintegrate. maybe 100 years or so.
> Dick Capuozzo
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" <sonarthug@> 
wrote:

> >
> > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> >
>

For the small label on the wall, next to the framed print, I describe as "Archival Pigment 
Print"

On the back of the framed print, I have a 4" x 2 1/4" label attached to the dust cover with 
more information.
 
Here's a sample:

   http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b-evans/Images15/Label.pdf


Brad
Urban pix: www.citysnaps.net



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tariqgibranstudio" 
<tariqgibranstudio@...> wrote:
>
> So that's what you put on the descriptive label describing your piece beside your print, 
> "Photograph" or that lengthy vague paragraph saying that they will last a very long time 
> blah blah blah...  Never seen that one used in a gallery or Museum yet which is what the 
> original question concerned.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jcap40" <gtmlabels@> wrote:
> >
> > I call them photographs. If that's not sufficient, I say they are produced digitally. If 
that's 
> not 
> > sufficient I indicate that they are archival and will last a very long time and I hope to 
be 

> > around long enough to see them disintegrate. maybe 100 years or so.
> > Dick Capuozzo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" <sonarthug@> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> > > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> > > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> > > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> > > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> > > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> > >
> >
>

I hope this post is not too OT.  It is a plug of sorts, but also a possible
workshop opportunity for this forum.

One of the groups I'm associated with is the Golden Trout Natural History
Workshop. It is a small, non-profit, informal group that has nothing to do
with fishing.  It is an education-oriented organization that facilitates
access to the High Sierra environment (over 10,000 feet).  While it was
originally formed by naturalists, and a professional naturalist will always
be at camp to do interpretive hikes, etc., the camp's educational activities
can also include a photo workshop.  And that is what I'm proposing here.  

I'm trying to determine whether there is enough interest to devote one week
to a B&W photo workshop -- maybe limited to 10 or 15 participants.

I see the camp as a great photo opportunity.  It is the easiest way to get
to California's High Sierra Wilderness areas.  This is the only camp that
has been allowed in the wilderness due to unique historic reasons.

The photo ops include the 100 year old log cabins, lakes, meadows, knarly
Foxtail pine stumps (close relative of the Bristlecone pine), and all sorts
of dramatic landscapes.  See a few of my shots at
http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/GTthumbnails.html.

The camp is about 3 miles from the end of the road.  There is a packer at
the end of the road to carry things in if needed, thought I usually just
pack my camera equipment and personal things in myself.  The camp provides
the food and tent cabins.

This is a wild bargain.  The cost is only $395 for a full week of food,
lodging, expert naturalists, and the one hack photo workshop leader -- me.

This year's middle section (July 2 through July 8) has enough room to devote
the entire week to a photo workshop -- shooting and talking photography.
There is no wiring to the camp, so computers and printers will not be taken.

I'm also going up the previous session, but if we have enough people
interested from here, I'll stay up there and devote the week to leading
hikes to my favorite photo shoot locations.  The hikes would average 3
miles, with some more ambitious for subgroups who are interested.

Contact me off list if you are interested.  I think it could be a fun week.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

"Digital Photograph" generally, in the last few gallery shows I've done. Didn't have a 
problem with that. Usually people are attracted to the photograph, not the descriptive 
label.

Dick Capuozzo

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tariqgibranstudio" 
<tariqgibranstudio@...> wrote:
>
> So that's what you put on the descriptive label describing your piece beside your print, 
> "Photograph" or that lengthy vague paragraph saying that they will last a very long time 
> blah blah blah...  Never seen that one used in a gallery or Museum yet which is what the 
> original question concerned.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jcap40" <gtmlabels@> wrote:
> >
> > I call them photographs. If that's not sufficient, I say they are produced digitally. If 
that's 
> not 
> > sufficient I indicate that they are archival and will last a very long time and I hope to 
be 

> > around long enough to see them disintegrate. maybe 100 years or so.
> > Dick Capuozzo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" <sonarthug@> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> > > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> > > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> > > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> > > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> > > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> > >
> >
>

I do something similar on the back of my prints. Yours look very professional. Thanks for 
sharing.

Dick Capuozzo






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bradspix" <b-evans@...> wrote:
>
> For the small label on the wall, next to the framed print, I describe as "Archival Pigment 
> Print"
> 
> On the back of the framed print, I have a 4" x 2 1/4" label attached to the dust cover 
with 
> more information.
>  
> Here's a sample:
> 
>    http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b-evans/Images15/Label.pdf
> 
> 
> Brad
> Urban pix: www.citysnaps.net
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tariqgibranstudio" 
> <tariqgibranstudio@> wrote:
> >
> > So that's what you put on the descriptive label describing your piece beside your 
print, 
> > "Photograph" or that lengthy vague paragraph saying that they will last a very long 
time 
> > blah blah blah...  Never seen that one used in a gallery or Museum yet which is what 
the 
> > original question concerned.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jcap40" <gtmlabels@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > I call them photographs. If that's not sufficient, I say they are produced digitally. If 
> that's 
> > not 
> > > sufficient I indicate that they are archival and will last a very long time and I hope to 
> be 
> > > around long enough to see them disintegrate. maybe 100 years or so.
> > > Dick Capuozzo
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" 
<sonarthug@> 

> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> > > > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> > > > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> > > > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> > > > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> > > > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > > > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Thanks Dick.

I use a USB-based Dymo LabelWriter printer.  Makes it real easy. Also do the wall labels 
with a smaller label. It's a handy device.

Brad
Urban pix: http://www.citysnaps.net





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jcap40" <gtmlabels@...> wrote:
>
> I do something similar on the back of my prints. Yours look very professional. Thanks 
for 
> sharing.
> 
> Dick Capuozzo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bradspix" <b-evans@> wrote:
> >
> > For the small label on the wall, next to the framed print, I describe as "Archival 
Pigment 
> > Print"
> > 
> > On the back of the framed print, I have a 4" x 2 1/4" label attached to the dust cover 
> with 
> > more information.
> >  
> > Here's a sample:
> > 
> >    http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b-evans/Images15/Label.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > Brad
> > Urban pix: www.citysnaps.net
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tariqgibranstudio" 
> > <tariqgibranstudio@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So that's what you put on the descriptive label describing your piece beside your 
> print, 
> > > "Photograph" or that lengthy vague paragraph saying that they will last a very long 
> time 
> > > blah blah blah...  Never seen that one used in a gallery or Museum yet which is what 
> the 
> > > original question concerned.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "jcap40" <gtmlabels@> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I call them photographs. If that's not sufficient, I say they are produced digitally. 
If 
> > that's 
> > > not 
> > > > sufficient I indicate that they are archival and will last a very long time and I hope 
to 

> > be 
> > > > around long enough to see them disintegrate. maybe 100 years or so.
> > > > Dick Capuozzo
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" 
> <sonarthug@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> > > > > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> > > > > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> > > > > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> > > > > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> > > > > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > > > > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" <sonarthug@...> 
wrote:
> I print Black and White using Cone inks printed on the 2200 using 100% Rag Archival 
Papers.

I call my prints Carbon Ink Prints.

I don't like to use the work "Pigment". It's not a nice sounding word.

> I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" 
<steveh060758@...> wrote:
>
opps...dyslexia strikes again!...that should have read "word" pigment, not "work".

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" <sonarthug@> 
> wrote:
> > I print Black and White using Cone inks printed on the 2200 using 100% Rag Archival 
> Papers.
> 
> I call my prints Carbon Ink Prints.
> 
> I don't like to use the work "Pigment". It's not a nice sounding word.
> 
> > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo Enhanced
> > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is grayscale and
> > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the public
> > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I have
> > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and am at
> > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> >
>

Steve,

You should list the media honestly, exactly as it is. That is the 
professional way museums prefer. I have seen art in major museums 
listed as Epson ink jet prints or Dura bright. Can't imagine why the 
word pigment bothers you.  It's as old as art itself - has nothing 
to do with swine:-)

So called "Giclee" is a joke more to impress the ignorant and nobody 
can pronounce it. 

AZ

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" 
<steveh060758@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B Richfurd" 
<sonarthug@> 
> wrote:
> > I print Black and White using Cone inks printed on the 2200 
using 100% Rag Archival 
> Papers.
> 
> I call my prints Carbon Ink Prints.
> 
> I don't like to use the work "Pigment". It's not a nice sounding 
word.
> 
> > I have images in an upcoming show printed on Somerset Photo 
Enhanced
> > Velvet via an Epson 9600 through Imageprint 5.6. One is 
grayscale and
> > two are full color. How do you represent these images to the 
public
> > for sale? Have you had questions asked as to what you meant. I 
have
> > been displaying tradtional silver gelatin prints for a while and 
am at

> > the stage where I feel comfortable with my portfolios of digital
> > images to seek gallery shows. So, what do you call your prints?
> >
>

The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening.  We have all the approvals
to have the workshop for up to 15 people -- the group maximum limit for
Wilderness areas.  It's scheduled for July 2 through July 8.  The camp is
located just west and 6000 ft. above Lone Pine, CA.

If you are interested in more information, contact me off list.  Send me a
mailing address to receive a brochure.  The total cost for this one week
workshop -- "room" (tent cabin) and board -- is $395.  It's non-profit.

The first 15 deposits get the spots.

Some have asked whether it's OK to come if you're a beginner.  Yes, of
course.  (A couple have even confessed that they'll be shooting color.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 



I previously wrote:

> I hope this post is not too OT.  It is a plug of sorts, but also a
> possible
> workshop opportunity for this forum.
> 
> One of the groups I'm associated with is the Golden Trout Natural History
> Workshop. It is a small, non-profit, informal group that has nothing to do
> with fishing.  It is an education-oriented organization that facilitates
> access to the High Sierra environment (over 10,000 feet).  While it was
> originally formed by naturalists, and a professional naturalist will
> always
> be at camp to do interpretive hikes, etc., the camp's educational
> activities
> can also include a photo workshop.  And that is what I'm proposing here.
> 
> I'm trying to determine whether there is enough interest to devote one
> week
> to a B&W photo workshop -- maybe limited to 10 or 15 participants.
> 
> I see the camp as a great photo opportunity.  It is the easiest way to get
> to California's High Sierra Wilderness areas.  This is the only camp that
> has been allowed in the wilderness due to unique historic reasons.
> 
> The photo ops include the 100 year old log cabins, lakes, meadows, knarly
> Foxtail pine stumps (close relative of the Bristlecone pine), and all
> sorts
> of dramatic landscapes.  See a few of my shots at
> http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/GTthumbnails.html.
> 
> The camp is about 3 miles from the end of the road.  There is a packer at
> the end of the road to carry things in if needed, thought I usually just
> pack my camera equipment and personal things in myself.  The camp provides
> the food and tent cabins.
> 
> This is a wild bargain.  The cost is only $395 for a full week of food,
> lodging, expert naturalists, and the one hack photo workshop leader -- me.
> 
> This year's middle section (July 2 through July 8) has enough room to
> devote
> the entire week to a photo workshop -- shooting and talking photography.
> There is no wiring to the camp, so computers and printers will not be
> taken.
> 
> I'm also going up the previous session, but if we have enough people
> interested from here, I'll stay up there and devote the week to leading
> hikes to my favorite photo shoot locations.  The hikes would average 3
> miles, with some more ambitious for subgroups who are interested.
> 
> Contact me off list if you are interested.  I think it could be a fun
> week.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hello Paul,

>The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening...

Sounds like a terrific opportunity.  Without electricity for a week
one had better be shooting a film camera or else have lots of
batteries for the digicam, or have a rollup solar charger and hope for
lots of sun...<grin>.

I hope you have a great time.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

The Canon 1DsII batteries will last through that time easily...

> From: Clayton Jones <cj@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:52:50 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ( OT Plug?) High Seirra Camp & Workshop
> 
> Hello Paul,
> 
>> The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening...
> 
> Sounds like a terrific opportunity.  Without electricity for a week
> one had better be shooting a film camera or else have lots of
> batteries for the digicam, or have a rollup solar charger and hope for
> lots of sun...<grin>.
> 
> I hope you have a great time.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton

Hello Steve,

>The Canon 1DsII batteries will last through that time easily...

My Canon uses the BP-511a at 1390 mha.  I think the idsII uses the
same or similar battery, as do many of the Canon DSLRs.  It is indeed
a good quality battery.  However, regardless of which battery is used
in a given camera, my experience has shown that how long a battery
lasts is directly related to how many pictures one takes and how much
the view screen is used.  I don't think it is a stretch to suggest
that more than one charge would be required during a week of busy
shooting during a photo expedition, especially in such an image rich
area as the High Sierras.  

I imagine it would also be very tempting to want to review each day's
work.  Even if all viewing is done on an off-load storage device,
batteries are required for that.  I would consider it sheer folly to
pay travel expenses and workshop fees for a relatively rare and
week-long opportunity like that and only take one or even two
batteries for whatever devices are used.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

The Canon 1 series cameras do not use the BP-511a.   Instead they use a
NiMH battery pack (NP-E3) which lasts much, much longer.  It is also
about three times the size of the BP-511a.

Gary



Clayton Jones said the following on 3/8/2006 9:13 AM:

>
> My Canon uses the BP-511a at 1390 mha.  I think the idsII uses the
> same or similar battery, as do many of the Canon DSLRs.  It is indeed
> a good quality battery.

As a reference, I used my 1DsII solidly for a week on safari, including
downloading images to a laptop each night, and it barely used 1/3 of the
battery.  No need for solar powered rechargers....

> From: Clayton Jones <cj@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:13:15 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ( OT Plug?) High Seirra Camp & Workshop
> 
> Hello Steve,
> 
>> The Canon 1DsII batteries will last through that time easily...
> 
> My Canon uses the BP-511a at 1390 mha.  I think the idsII uses the
> same or similar battery, as do many of the Canon DSLRs.  It is indeed
> a good quality battery.  However, regardless of which battery is used
> in a given camera, my experience has shown that how long a battery
> lasts is directly related to how many pictures one takes and how much
> the view screen is used.  I don't think it is a stretch to suggest
> that more than one charge would be required during a week of busy
> shooting during a photo expedition, especially in such an image rich
> area as the High Sierras.
> 
> I imagine it would also be very tempting to want to review each day's
> work.  Even if all viewing is done on an off-load storage device,
> batteries are required for that.  I would consider it sheer folly to
> pay travel expenses and workshop fees for a relatively rare and
> week-long opportunity like that and only take one or even two
> batteries for whatever devices are used.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening.  We have all the
approvals
> to have the workshop for up to 15 people -- the group maximum limit for
> Wilderness areas.  It's scheduled for July 2 through July 8.  The
camp is
> located just west and 6000 ft. above Lone Pine, CA.
> 
> If you are interested in more information, contact me off list. 
Send me a
> mailing address to receive a brochure.  The total cost for this one week
> workshop -- "room" (tent cabin) and board -- is $395.  It's non-profit.
> 
> The first 15 deposits get the spots.
> 
> Some have asked whether it's OK to come if you're a beginner.  Yes, of
> course.  (A couple have even confessed that they'll be shooting color.)
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> I previously wrote:
>  
> > I hope this post is not too OT.  It is a plug of sorts, but also a
> > possible
> > workshop opportunity for this forum.
> > 
> > One of the groups I'm associated with is the Golden Trout Natural
History
> > Workshop. It is a small, non-profit, informal group that has
nothing to do
> > with fishing.  It is an education-oriented organization that
facilitates
> > access to the High Sierra environment (over 10,000 feet).  While
it was
> > originally formed by naturalists, and a professional naturalist will
> > always
> > be at camp to do interpretive hikes, etc., the camp's educational
> > activities
> > can also include a photo workshop.  And that is what I'm proposing
here.
> > 
> > I'm trying to determine whether there is enough interest to devote one
> > week
> > to a B&W photo workshop -- maybe limited to 10 or 15 participants.
> > 
> > I see the camp as a great photo opportunity.  It is the easiest
way to get
> > to California's High Sierra Wilderness areas.  This is the only
camp that
> > has been allowed in the wilderness due to unique historic reasons.
> > 
> > The photo ops include the 100 year old log cabins, lakes, meadows,
knarly
> > Foxtail pine stumps (close relative of the Bristlecone pine), and all
> > sorts
> > of dramatic landscapes.  See a few of my shots at
> > http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/GTthumbnails.html.
> > 
> > The camp is about 3 miles from the end of the road.  There is a
packer at
> > the end of the road to carry things in if needed, thought I
usually just
> > pack my camera equipment and personal things in myself.  The camp
provides
> > the food and tent cabins.
> > 
> > This is a wild bargain.  The cost is only $395 for a full week of
food,
> > lodging, expert naturalists, and the one hack photo workshop
leader -- me.
> > 
> > This year's middle section (July 2 through July 8) has enough room to
> > devote
> > the entire week to a photo workshop -- shooting and talking
photography.
> > There is no wiring to the camp, so computers and printers will not be
> > taken.
> > 
> > I'm also going up the previous session, but if we have enough people
> > interested from here, I'll stay up there and devote the week to
leading
> > hikes to my favorite photo shoot locations.  The hikes would average 3
> > miles, with some more ambitious for subgroups who are interested.
> > 
> > Contact me off list if you are interested.  I think it could be a fun
> > week.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
resources as
> > they are often being updated.
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> > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting
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Does it matter if one shoots digital or film?I use large format film, 
4x5 and 8x10, and its obviously a much slower process than digital.I
wouldn't want to hold anyone up.I confess I've never been to a
workshop so I'm not sure quite how they work.............Chris

> >The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening...
> 
> Sounds like a terrific opportunity.  Without electricity for a week
> one had better be shooting a film camera or else have lots of
> batteries for the digicam, or have a rollup solar charger and hope for
> lots of sun...<grin>.

Take extra batteries.

We have solar power -- in a good year.  However, it's not to be counted on. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> >
> > The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening...
> >...

> > If you are interested in more information, contact me off list.

...

> Does it matter if one shoots digital or film?

No.

I usually use film -- medium format Tech Pan.  However, I may also take my
Canon Rebel XT up there.

> I use large format film, 4x5 and 8x10, and it's obviously 
> a much slower process than digital.  I
> wouldn't want to hold anyone up.

I consider a tripod almost as important as the camera.  So, you'll seldom
see me not using one.

The problem I'd see with 8x10 is the weight of carrying the equipment.  I'm
a real fan of traveling light -- more so every year as I get older.  Also,
dust in changing bags can be a challenge for large format.

However, I'd think a relatively portable 4x5 with swings and tilts will
probably make a lot of others real jealous of the quality you'll be able to
achieve.  Go for it.

I tend to hike between shooting opportunities and then hang out for a
substantial time at the prime areas.  The areas are such that people will
spread out and pursue their own subjects.  We'll have 2 people -- myself and
the naturalist (Katherine Courtney) -- who are familiar with the area.  When
the group starts to spread out, we try to have one person do the rear sweep
to be sure the slowest don't get lost.  (No lost participants yet!)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

If it came to it, one could walk back out to their car and recharge the batteries there.
   
  TB


Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
  > >The Golden Trout B&W Photo Workshop is happening...
> 
> Sounds like a terrific opportunity.  Without electricity for a week
> one had better be shooting a film camera or else have lots of
> batteries for the digicam, or have a rollup solar charger and hope for
> lots of sun...<grin>.

Take extra batteries.

We have solar power -- in a good year.  However, it's not to be counted on. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 

> The problem I'd see with 8x10 is the weight of carrying the
equipment.  I'm
> a real fan of traveling light -- more so every year as I get older.
 Also,

> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

So I take it no pack mules are avaiable ;)

Along a boardwalk with vending machines selling Big Gulps and Krispy Kremes
along the way?

I do agree extra batteries make sense but I am staggered at how long the
1DsII battery lasts.

> From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...>

> 
> If it came to it, one could walk back out to their car and recharge the
> batteries there.
>    
>   TB

At 01:10 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote:
>I do agree extra batteries make sense but I am staggered at how long the
>1DsII battery lasts.

Me, too!  I always carry a spare battery but even on several two-week 
long trips to rural Honduras and Guatemala with almost constant 
shooting and viewing for 14 days, I've never had to use the extra 
battery.  It's amazing.

Tina

Tina Manley, ASMP
http://www.tinamanley.com 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> 
> Along a boardwalk with vending machines selling Big Gulps and Krispy
> Kremes along the way?


When I hiked up Mt. Whitney (tallest in the lower U.S. at 14,000+ ft.) some
off duty rangers, for a joke, had packed an entire lemonade stand up to the
top.  They did a good business!

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> 
> So I take it no pack mules are avaiable ;)
> 

Actually, Whitney Pack station is at the trail head and there are pack
borrows at the camp.  However, hiring the packer to take things into the
camp is up to the guests, not those of us who organize the workshops.  The
borrows at camp are part of the camp and used to supply it.  We don't use
them to carry us or equipment.

If there is a subgroup who wants help from the packer, I'll help coordinate
that, but I personally don't use his services.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

?borrows?  maybe burros? :-)>

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Roark
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:13 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ( OT Plug?) High Seirra Camp & Workshop


> 
> So I take it no pack mules are avaiable ;)
> 

Actually, Whitney Pack station is at the trail head and there are pack
borrows at the camp.  However, hiring the packer to take things into the
camp is up to the guests, not those of us who organize the workshops.  The
borrows at camp are part of the camp and used to supply it.  We don't use
them to carry us or equipment.

If there is a subgroup who wants help from the packer, I'll help coordinate
that, but I personally don't use his services.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 




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This is, after all, CALIFORNIA.
   
  Tom Baker

Paul Roark <paul.roark@verizon.net> wrote:
  > 
> Along a boardwalk with vending machines selling Big Gulps and Krispy
> Kremes along the way?


When I hiked up Mt. Whitney (tallest in the lower U.S. at 14,000+ ft.) some
off duty rangers, for a joke, had packed an entire lemonade stand up to the
top.  They did a good business!

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I can add to that remark. I have a Nikon D2X and bought the Ids Mk II so I could use it with my kit bag of Zeiss lenses going back to 1975. My biggest concern was going back to NiMh batteries as they often tend to lose charge just sitting in the bag. I bought an extrap battery and have never found a need for it. Every one of my shoots showed the Canon battery to be up to the task. Great stuff
Woody

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Along a boardwalk with vending machines selling Big Gulps and Krispy Kremes
along the way?

I do agree extra batteries make sense but I am staggered at how long the
1DsII battery lasts.


> From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...>

> 
> If it came to it, one could walk back out to their car and recharge the
> batteries there.
>    
>   TB




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Hello Gary,

>The Canon 1 series cameras do not use the BP-511a.   Instead they use 
>a NiMH battery pack (NP-E3) which lasts much, much longer.  It is 
>also about three times the size of the BP-511a.

Ok, good to know - that explains the longevity Steve reported.  What
is the mAh rating?


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

I think the stock battery is 1600mAh, the replacement I have is 2200mAh.

Gary



Clayton Jones said the following on 3/8/2006 10:44 PM:

> Hello Gary,
>
> >The Canon 1 series cameras do not use the BP-511a. Instead they use
> >a NiMH battery pack (NP-E3) which lasts much, much longer. It is
> >also about three times the size of the BP-511a.
>
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(Please excuse the potentially off-topic "plug.")

 

There are still a few spots left in the Golden Trout photo workshop.  See my
initial March 3 post at

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/74943
for more basic information.

 

Briefly, the group is a non-profit (IRS Code section 501 (1) (3)) group that
has conducted workshops for years . (I volunteer as the registrar, with the
benefit to me being a free pass for me, the ability to participate in the
running of the group, and a stipend of $300 - paid to all "naturalists" and
similar volunteers - if the group covers its costs for the year.)   In
general, the camp has been oriented to natural history, but that is
flexible.  The charge -- $395 - is the minimum we think will cover our costs
and allow the group to continue.  This is not a money making venture it's
something we do for fun.

 

The camp that is used is 3 mi. past the end of the road at 10,000 feet in
the California's southern High Sierra, just south of Mt. Whitney - the
highest point in the "lower 48" US at about 14,500 feet.  The old log cabins
are photo subjects in themselves.  It is one of the only structures that has
been allowed to continue to exist in the official Wilderness Areas.  The
ability to use the facility is a real privilege.

 

This year I'm experimenting with the idea that we - this forum and the
workshop group - might be able to utilize this venue for a B&W photo
workshop, aimed at exchanging ideas, shooting, etc.  I'll cover what I do,
and hopefully some of the other experts coming will share their knowledge
also.  How it goes this year will help us see if there is an interesting
possibility here for future years.

 

Some of what I'd like to know now is whether I should coordinate packer
support for those who want to bring in more equipment than is easily
carried. 

 

Contact me off list with questions. 

 

 

Thanks.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

 



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> 
> There are still a few spots left in the Golden Trout photo workshop.  See
> my initial March 3 post at

 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/74943

> for more basic information.


One question of general import that has come up is transportation from LAX
to camp for out of state particitants.  I'll have a van for up to 5 people.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com