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2006-02-18 by how786
Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the 1800 was set to 'thick' paper. When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at least 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list the thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker than the VFA. I was afraid to then try it in the 2400. Regards Howard
2006-02-18 by Jim Doyle
Howard Just a quick question.. The QC from Crane Is very good.. Boxed well Interleaving Sheets its some of the best QC I have ever seen.. Are you cutting the sheets up by chance? as they are only available in 17x22 and larger in sheets..From Crane..( If you had it cut down Or Bought it Cut Down) Maybe they curled the ends or something? Not Sure ..But I Know its thick Im at Home now and cant actually measure how many mils it is..but in the paper world 21 to 19 is alot.. Cheers Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
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Subject: [Digital BW] Museo Max and 1800 or 2400
Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the
thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the 1800
was set to 'thick' paper.
When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at least
50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list the
thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker than the VFA.
I was afraid to then try it in the 2400.
Regards
Howard
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-02-18 by John Moody
MuseoMax measures 21.5 mils from a box of 17x22. Best regards, John Moody
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jim Doyle Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:46 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo Max and 1800 or 2400 Howard Just a quick question.. The QC from Crane Is very good.. Boxed well Interleaving Sheets its some of the best QC I have ever seen.. Are you cutting the sheets up by chance? as they are only available in 17x22 and larger in sheets..From Crane..( If you had it cut down Or Bought it Cut Down) Maybe they curled the ends or something? Not Sure ..But I Know its thick Im at Home now and cant actually measure how many mils it is..but in the paper world 21 to 19 is alot.. Cheers Jim Doyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-02-18 by how786
Heck, Jim. I have a box of 8.5X11 from them. It is packaged in a Crane box with the paper name on it interleave sheets and all. You know, the darn paper looks like cardboard sheets and is as thick as 2 sheets of VFA. There has got to be something wrong with what I have. It is not curled, btw. I had that issue already with cut sheets of Semimatte that curled and caused me grief. These are 'boards' that are perfectly flat. Regards Howard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" <jdoyle1713@...> wrote: > > Howard > > Just a quick question.. The QC from Crane Is very good.. Boxed well > Interleaving Sheets its some of the best QC I have ever seen.. Are you > cutting the sheets up by chance? as they are only available in 17x22 and > larger in sheets..From Crane..( If you had it cut down Or Bought it Cut > Down) Maybe they curled the ends or something? Not Sure ..But I Know its > thick > > Im at Home now and cant actually measure how many mils it is..but in the > paper world 21 to 19 is alot.. > > Cheers > Jim Doyle > > > J. Doyle Enterprises LLC > 114 Old Orchard Rd > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > 856-424-8660 > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > AOL IM: Brokerup99 > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of how786 > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:37 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Museo Max and 1800 or 2400 > > > Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the > thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the 1800 > was set to 'thick' paper. > When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at least > 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list the > thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker than the VFA. > > I was afraid to then try it in the 2400. > > Regards > Howard > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Digital wedding photography Learn digital photography > Digital photography college > Digital photography Digital photography web site Digital > photography course > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006
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2006-02-18 by how786
My bad. Sorry. The box says Crane etc. but was repackaged by Digital Art Supplies. I just looked up my invoice. Sorry... Howard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "how786" <how786@...> wrote: > > Heck, Jim. I have a box of 8.5X11 from them. It is packaged in a > Crane box with the paper name on it interleave sheets and all. You > know, the darn paper looks like cardboard sheets and is as thick as 2 > sheets of VFA. > There has got to be something wrong with what I have. > It is not curled, btw. I had that issue already with cut sheets of > Semimatte that curled and caused me grief. > These are 'boards' that are perfectly flat. > Regards > Howard > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" > <jdoyle1713@> wrote: > > > > Howard > > > > Just a quick question.. The QC from Crane Is very good.. Boxed well > > Interleaving Sheets its some of the best QC I have ever seen.. Are you > > cutting the sheets up by chance? as they are only available in 17x22 and > > larger in sheets..From Crane..( If you had it cut down Or Bought it Cut > > Down) Maybe they curled the ends or something? Not Sure ..But I Know its > > thick > > > > Im at Home now and cant actually measure how many mils it is..but in the > > paper world 21 to 19 is alot.. > > > > Cheers > > Jim Doyle > > > > > > J. Doyle Enterprises LLC > > 114 Old Orchard Rd > > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > > 856-424-8660 > > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > > AOL IM: Brokerup99 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m]On Behalf Of how786 > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:37 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Museo Max and 1800 or 2400 > > > > > > Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the > > thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the 1800 > > was set to 'thick' paper. > > When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at least > > 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list the > > thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker than > the VFA. > > > > I was afraid to then try it in the 2400. > > > > Regards > > Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2006-02-18 by Tim Atherton
> Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the > thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the 1800 > was set to 'thick' paper. > When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at least > 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list the > thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker > than the VFA. well - it is pretty thick, but more than anything it's really stiff I tend to just load it on the rear sheet loader, one sheet at a time, though for bigger than letter size I have also run it through the main feed on the 2400 If you have the cut sheets in smaller sizes, it is 365 gsm which is pretty heavy stuff (BTW - make sure you print the correct side - my box from digital art supplies was loaded upside down. Both sides of the paper are coated. But I believe only the side with the greater texture is the Museuo Max coating) tim a
2006-02-19 by how786
Thanks. I did try one sheet at a time in the rear feeder to no avail. And, yes, it is really stiff, too! Howard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...> wrote:
> > > > Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the > > thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the > 1800 > > was set to 'thick' paper. > > When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at > least > > 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list > the > > thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker > > than the VFA. > > well - it is pretty thick, but more than anything it's really stiff > > I tend to just load it on the rear sheet loader, one sheet at a time, > though for bigger than letter size I have also run it through the > main feed on the 2400 > > If you have the cut sheets in smaller sizes, it is 365 gsm which is > pretty heavy stuff > > (BTW - make sure you print the correct side - my box from digital art > supplies was loaded upside down. Both sides of the paper are coated. > But I believe only the side with the greater texture is the Museuo > Max coating) > > tim a >
2006-03-02 by ginnylady33
Howard, Just curious, did you ever solve the problem with Max? I recently had similar problems with Museo Max jamming in my printer. I tried loading it front and rear and also using the thick paper setting, to no avail. To my eye, I agree, it is WAY thicker than VFA. At least the batch I have is. Best Regards Ginny --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "how786" <how786@...> wrote:
> > > Thanks. I did try one sheet at a time in the rear feeder to no > avail. And, yes, it is really stiff, too! > Howard > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton" > <timatherton@> wrote: > > > > > > > Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the > > > thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the > > 1800 > > > was set to 'thick' paper. > > > When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at > > least > > > 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list > > the > > > thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker > > > than the VFA. > > > > well - it is pretty thick, but more than anything it's really stiff > > > > I tend to just load it on the rear sheet loader, one sheet at a time, > > though for bigger than letter size I have also run it through the > > main feed on the 2400 > > > > If you have the cut sheets in smaller sizes, it is 365 gsm which is > > pretty heavy stuff > > > > (BTW - make sure you print the correct side - my box from digital art > > supplies was loaded upside down. Both sides of the paper are coated. > > But I believe only the side with the greater texture is the Museuo > > Max coating) > > > > tim a > > >
2006-03-02 by how786
Dear Ginny, Thanks for asking. No, I've not resolved the issue with Crane. I am very unhappy with the way their rep, David Williams, has handled the matter. To make a long story short, the batch of Max I have jammed both my 1800 and 2400 printers with either a front or rear load even with paper setting at 'thick'. Altho the specs say it should be slightly thicker than VFA, my batch is WAY thicker and as stiff as cardboard. I brought the paper over to a friend and it jammed in his 2400 as well. (The paper is 8.5X11, btw purchased from Digital Art Supplies.) I phone Digital Art and reported the problem. I asked them to take back the paper and send me an equivalent amount of Museo II which has always worked well for me. They said they could not do so without the approval of David Williams from Crane. I called Crane who put me in touch with David Williams, their Museo support person. He asked me to send a few sheets of paper from the box which I did 2 weeks ago. He has yet to 'test' or even look at the paper. I've yet to receive permission to exchange the $40 box of paper. (I wasn't even asking for a refund, merely an exchange) The way this matter has been handled by both Digital Art and Crane has been most upsetting to me. I've never had such an issue getting defective product exchanged especially when it involves a small amount of money.. There is more that I could say, but this is where things stand, in a nutshell. I'm about to 'escalate' the matter and pursue other options. Again, thanks for your concern. I'm sorry to hear that you have a similar issue. They probably have a bad batch of product out there. Good luck getting a refund or exchange. Best Regards Howard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ginnylady33" <ginnylady33@...> wrote: > > Howard, > Just curious, did you ever solve the problem with Max? I recently had > similar problems with Museo Max jamming in my printer. I tried loading > it front and rear and also using the thick paper setting, to no avail. > To my eye, I agree, it is WAY thicker than VFA. At least the batch I > have is. > > Best Regards > Ginny > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "how786" > <how786@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks. I did try one sheet at a time in the rear feeder to no > > avail. And, yes, it is really stiff, too! > > Howard > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton" > > <timatherton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone used this paper in either a 2400 or 1800? It is the > > > > thickest paper I've ever seen and jammed my 1800 even when the > > > 1800 > > > > was set to 'thick' paper. > > > > When I compared the thickness to the VFA, the Max appears at > > > least > > > > 50% thicker! I am doubting Crane's quality control as they list > > > the > > > > thickness at 21. (The VFA is 19) The paper is a LOT thicker > > > > than the VFA. > > > > > > well - it is pretty thick, but more than anything it's really stiff > > > > > > I tend to just load it on the rear sheet loader, one sheet at a time, > > > though for bigger than letter size I have also run it through the > > > main feed on the 2400 > > > > > > If you have the cut sheets in smaller sizes, it is 365 gsm which is > > > pretty heavy stuff > > > > > > (BTW - make sure you print the correct side - my box from digital art > > > supplies was loaded upside down. Both sides of the paper are coated.
> > > But I believe only the side with the greater texture is the Museuo > > > Max coating) > > > > > > tim a > > > > > >
2006-03-02 by John Moody
7 sheets of EVFA should be the same thickness as 6 sheets of MM. I just checked what I have on hand. Best regards, John Moody
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of how786 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:28 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Museo Max and 1800 or 2400 Dear Ginny, Thanks for asking. No, I've not resolved the issue with Crane. I am very unhappy with the way their rep, David Williams, has handled the matter. To make a long story short, the batch of Max I have jammed both my 1800 and 2400 printers with either a front or rear load even with paper setting at 'thick'. Altho the specs say it should be slightly thicker than VFA, my batch is WAY thicker and as stiff as cardboard. I brought the paper over to a friend and it jammed in his 2400 as well. (The paper is 8.5X11, btw purchased from Digital Art Supplies.) I phone Digital Art and reported the problem. I asked them to take back the paper and send me an equivalent amount of Museo II which has always worked well for me. They said they could not do so without the approval of David Williams from Crane. I called Crane who put me in touch with David Williams, their Museo support person. He asked me to send a few sheets of paper from the box which I did 2 weeks ago. He has yet to 'test' or even look at the paper. I've yet to receive permission to exchange the $40 box of paper. (I wasn't even asking for a refund, merely an exchange) The way this matter has been handled by both Digital Art and Crane has been most upsetting to me. I've never had such an issue getting defective product exchanged especially when it involves a small amount of money.. There is more that I could say, but this is where things stand, in a nutshell. I'm about to 'escalate' the matter and pursue other options. Again, thanks for your concern. I'm sorry to hear that you have a similar issue. They probably have a bad batch of product out there. Good luck getting a refund or exchange. Best Regards Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]