Digital BW, The Print

Hello,

I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as 
described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM paper. 
The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.  Should I make my 
final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?  Will they look better, 
or is it just a matter of permanence.  If I did buy some photorag 
paper, do they come with profiles for the epson 2200 printer?

Thanks
Steve

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: spersky123 [mailto:spersky@...]
  Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:55 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Why use PhotoRag paper


  Hello,

  I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as
  described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM paper.
  The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.  Should I make my
  final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?  Will they look better,
  or is it just a matter of permanence.  If I did buy some photorag
  paper, do they come with profiles for the epson 2200 printer?

  Thanks
  Steve



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I've been wondering this myself. Here's what I've come up with based mostly 
on what people have written to several mailing lists:

- Both EEM and Photo Rag provide a smooth matte surface, and well made 
prints can look great on either paper.
- Wilhelm rates EEM at 110 years. Don't know with what inks but probably 
Epson Ultrachromes.
- Don't know Wilhelm's longevity rating for Photo Rag.
- Both papers have optical brighteners which will fade, making both papers 
turn slightly yellow with time.
- The Photo Rag looks great but is highly vulnerable to surface abrasions.
- EEM is thinner than Photo Rag but has a more rugged surface.
- Some people have reported acute yellowing of Photo Rag when in contact 
with other, non-pure papers or packing tape.
- Photo Rag costs six times as much as EEM.
- I've had success making my own curves so obtaining profiles isn't an 
issue for me.

What are other people's opinions about comparing EEM and Photo Rag?

-- Victor Landweber


At 10:55 AM 4/5/2004, spersky123 wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as
>described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM paper.
>The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.  Should I make my
>final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?  Will they look better,
>or is it just a matter of permanence.  If I did buy some photorag
>paper, do they come with profiles for the epson 2200 printer?
>
>Thanks
>Steve

Hello Steve,

>I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as 
>described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM 
>paper.  The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.  
>Should I make my final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?  

For permanance reasons the final prints should be on some kind of 100%
cotton paper.  The papers I use with BO and Eboni ink, in order of
warm to cool, are

Epson Velvet fine Art  - very warm
H. Photo Rag           - moderate warm
Hawk Mtn Merlin Smooth - slightly warm
Hawk Mtn Condor BW     - neutral, looks really black

These are all very beautiful papers.  I recommend getting a pkg of
each and try them (Hawk Mtn also has some non-OBA papers coming out
soon which I am eager to try.  After I test them I'll be adding to my
web site an article about papers for BO printing).


>Will they look better, or is it just a matter of permanence.  

Prints on good cotton papers have a richness and depth beyond what you
will see on EEM.  Others might use different words to describe the
difference, but it's there.  In addition, with the selection of papers
listed above we have a choice of four tones, from neutral to warm.  


>If I did buy some photorag paper, do they come with profiles 
>for the epson 2200 printer?

For BO printing they aren't needed.  


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

If framed and under glass it might not make any asthetic difference of one 
over the other.  However, if your presentation is such as to feature the paper 
itself (such as mounted in a shadow box) then Photo Rag is a MUCH more 
pleasing paper.  It tends to look more like a handmade paper than EEM which 
tends to look and feel like a piece of plastic.  HPR is also one of the few fine 
arts papers which produces  very deep blacks with UltraChrome inks the 
ohers being EEM and Velvet Fine Arts.  

I Hope this helps.

-John 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Victor Landweber <
victor@l...> wrote:

> I've been wondering this myself. Here's what I've come up with based mostly 
> on what people have written to several mailing lists:
> 
> - Both EEM and Photo Rag provide a smooth matte surface, and well made 
> prints can look great on either paper.
> - Wilhelm rates EEM at 110 years. Don't know with what inks but probably 
> Epson Ultrachromes.
> - Don't know Wilhelm's longevity rating for Photo Rag.
> - Both papers have optical brighteners which will fade, making both papers 
> turn slightly yellow with time.
> - The Photo Rag looks great but is highly vulnerable to surface abrasions.
> - EEM is thinner than Photo Rag but has a more rugged surface.
> - Some people have reported acute yellowing of Photo Rag when in contact 
> with other, non-pure papers or packing tape.
> - Photo Rag costs six times as much as EEM.
> - I've had success making my own curves so obtaining profiles isn't an 
> issue for me.
> 
> What are other people's opinions about comparing EEM and Photo Rag?
> 
> -- Victor Landweber
> 
> 
> At 10:55 AM 4/5/2004, spersky123 wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as
> >described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM paper.
> >The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.  Should I make my
> >final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?  Will they look better,
> >or is it just a matter of permanence.  If I did buy some photorag
> >paper, do they come with profiles for the epson 2200 printer?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Steve

Although you'll hear it from experienced users "Cotton papers" is a red 
herring. All the famously beautiful silver-gelatin photographic papers are 
100% wood pulp. There may be more beautiful papers than EEM, but I believe 
it's more because of their "hand" and feel than because of the way ink lays 
on their surface. Once you've matted a print on EEM, it looks about as 
beautiful as you could wish.

At 04:34 PM 4/5/2004, Clayton Jones wrote:

>Hello Steve,
>
> >I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as
> >described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM
> >paper.  The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.
> >Should I make my final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?
>
>For permanance reasons the final prints should be on some kind of 100%
>cotton paper.  The papers I use with BO and Eboni ink, in order of
>warm to cool, are
>
>Epson Velvet fine Art  - very warm
>H. Photo Rag           - moderate warm
>Hawk Mtn Merlin Smooth - slightly warm
>Hawk Mtn Condor BW     - neutral, looks really black
>
>These are all very beautiful papers.  I recommend getting a pkg of
>each and try them (Hawk Mtn also has some non-OBA papers coming out
>soon which I am eager to try.  After I test them I'll be adding to my
>web site an article about papers for BO printing).
>
>
> >Will they look better, or is it just a matter of permanence.
>
>Prints on good cotton papers have a richness and depth beyond what you
>will see on EEM.  Others might use different words to describe the
>difference, but it's there.  In addition, with the selection of papers
>listed above we have a choice of four tones, from neutral to warm.
>
>
> >If I did buy some photorag paper, do they come with profiles
> >for the epson 2200 printer?
>
>For BO printing they aren't needed.
>
>
>Regards,
>Clayton
>
>
>Info on black and white digital printing at
>http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>
>
>
>
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In my experience I have found images with fine detail to render sharper 
on HPR than on EEM. I think it has more to do with the papers coating 
than wood pulp verses cotton.

-Jeff

On Monday, April 5, 2004, at 08:47 PM, Victor Landweber wrote:

> Although you'll hear it from experienced users "Cotton papers" is a red
> herring. All the famously beautiful silver-gelatin photographic papers 
> are
> 100% wood pulp. There may be more beautiful papers than EEM, but I 
> believe
> it's more because of their "hand" and feel than because of the way ink 
> lays
> on their surface. Once you've matted a print on EEM, it looks about as
> beautiful as you could wish.
>

Thanks for the reply,

Clayton,

I have been getting great results from the advice on your web site 
for Epson EEM with a dot gain of 20% and printer set "Same as Source"

For the papers that you listed what have you found to be the best dot 
gain for the printer.  Assuming you leave the source as 20% dot gain.

1) H. Photorag
2) Hawk Mtn Merlin Satin
3) Hawk Mtn Condor BW

I appreciate all your advice.  I have modeled my current setup 
exactly like yours described on your site and the results are just 
amazing.  You should have a workshop:)

I know I should experiment with the papers to figure out the best 
WYSIWG results, but damn that paper is expensive.  I just spent about 
200 dollars for the total samples you recommended.

Thanks
Steve

Clayton,

I ordered the papers that you recommended.

Do you have recommendation for the dot gain setting for the different 
papers on the output side.

Currently my dot gain of 20% for monitor and output works great.  I 
get WSYWIG.  With these new papers,  should I lower the printer dot 
gain to 18% or 15%.  That will make the image darker, but that may 
work well since you say the papers are brighter than EEM.

What have you found gives you the best results for those selected 
papers that you listed?

I will use that as a starting point and try to save some money.

> - Some people have reported acute yellowing of Photo Rag when in contact
> with other, non-pure papers or packing tape.

Yes, indeed. I have a sheet of PR that has been stored in a regular gray
office envelope, tossed on a shelf. I was quite surprised at how yellow it
became. The worst yellowing I've seen of any paper being improperly stored.

Jon

Clayton,
We just finished first production run of Osprey Natural, our newest 15
mil/250 GSM, smooth surface 100% cotton paper with no OBAs. Will send
samples to you today. Thank you again for all your work!
Diana York ~ Hawk Mountain Papers
toll-free 888-807-2248
www.hawkmtnartpapers.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...>
<snip>These are all very beautiful papers.  I recommend getting a pkg of
each and try them (Hawk Mtn also has some non-OBA papers coming out
soon which I am eager to try.  After I test them I'll be adding to my
web site an article about papers for BO printing).  <snip>

Hello Steve,

>I have been getting great results from the advice on your web site 
>for Epson EEM with a dot gain of 20% and printer set "Same as Source"
> 
>For the papers that you listed what have you found to be the best
>dot gain for the printer.  Assuming you leave the source as 20% dot
>gain.
>
>I appreciate all your advice.  I have modeled my current setup 
>exactly like yours described on your site and the results are just 
>amazing.  You should have a workshop:)
> 
>Currently my dot gain of 20% for monitor and output works great.  I
>get WSYWIG.  With these new papers,  should I lower the printer dot
>gain to 18% or 15%.  That will make the image darker, but that may
>work well since you say the papers are brighter than EEM.
---------------------------------------

In my articles I wrote about changing the back end profile to adjust
for paper differences (assuming the image is worked up using EEM for
proofs), and also that if the available profile choices were too much
of a change, that custom curves could be created in the transfer curve
section.  I need to revise that a little bit because I have more and
more realized that the amount of perceived difference of a print on
these papers differs from one image to another, and probably 80% of
the time no change is required.  

When a change is needed, changing to a different back end profile from
the available list is almost always too much of a jump - a custom
curve is usually needed.  In doing this I've found it to be quicker
and easier to temporarily apply an adjustment curve to the image,
rather than use the transfer curve feature.  One of the reasons for
this is that often a slight change in contrast is needed as well as
over all density, and when applying the curve to the image you can see
the affect it's having.  When doing it with a transfer curve you only
see the affect in the print, so more paper is used in a
trial-and-error process.  Just be careful not to save the curve
permanently in the image, because a slightly different curve might be
needed for a different paper (keep notes).

Given the above, one of the reasons I recommended those particular
papers is because most of the time they require very little, if any,
changes.  I can work up an image using EEM and then print it on any of
those papers, most of the time without needing to adjust anything.  I
find that usually the higher key images are the ones that need an
adjustment, because there is more paper showing, so any differences in
the papers have more of an effect.

Just to further illustrate, there is another very fine and popular
paper mentioned often in this forum, the Premier Art Hot Press.  I
tried it and it's beautiful, but it was like using a lower contrast
grade darkroom paper.  The images always needed a boost in contrast. 
So I chose not to add it to my "arsenal" of papers because it required
extra work and didn't add anything that I didn't already have in the
other four papers.

I use a custom dot gain curve of 18% as my default front end profile -
seems to be better for my monitor (I use a Microtek flat panel type).
I always leave the back end at "Same As Source" and only about 1 out
of 5 prints I need to apply a slight adjustment curve for the cotton
papers.  Most of the time all that's needed is to grab the center
point of the curve and pull it down 1 or 2 RGB units (to the lower
right at 45 degrees, so it's going down and right equal amounts,
otherwise it changes the contrast).  I keep notes on all my images, so
if I go to reprint something later I may find a note saying that on PR
the image needs a curve of center point 1 RGB unit down, or something
like that.

Sounds to me like you're on a really good track there.  I think as you
experiment with these papers with different images you'll get a good
feel for how they respond and a sense for which images will need some
tweaking.  The Eboni ink is gorgeous stuff on these papers and I think
you're in for an exciting time of exploring what they will do.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Monday, April 5, 2004, 10:55:15 AM, you wrote:

s> Hello,

s> I am getting up and running with the BO printing technique as 
s> described by Clayton Jones. Anyway, I am printing on Epson EEM paper.
s> The paper is great and I am happy with the prints.  Should I make my
s> final wall hanging prints on PhotoRag paper?  Will they look better,
s> or is it just a matter of permanence.  If I did buy some photorag 
s> paper, do they come with profiles for the epson 2200 printer?

s> Thanks
s> Steve

Indeed the difference in not much, and thanks to that I mostly use EEM
for proofing and "give away" images. However, as minimal as the
differences are I do find that PR gives me better minute detail
(sharper rendition) and also a bit better shadow tonal range and
detail. Subtle, yes, but enough to where if I am framing and/or
selling a print I use PR.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

I have done numerous side by side comparisons with the
EEM and the H. Photo Rag.  Aside from the Photo Rage
being a bit warmer, I don't see any appreciable
difference in image quality or sharpness.  This
includes black levels, although I know the Photo Rag
is suppose to have a better D-Max.

I show other people (non-photographers) the same two
prints on both papers and they see no quality
difference either (other than the warmer tone of the
photo rag).


--- Jeff Magidson <jef.jef@...> wrote:
> In my experience I have found images with fine
> detail to render sharper 
> on HPR than on EEM. I think it has more to do with
> the papers coating 
> than wood pulp verses cotton.
> 
> -Jeff
> 
> 
> On Monday, April 5, 2004, at 08:47 PM, Victor
> Landweber wrote:
> 
> > Although you'll hear it from experienced users
> "Cotton papers" is a red
> > herring. All the famously beautiful silver-gelatin
> photographic papers 
> > are
> > 100% wood pulp. There may be more beautiful papers
> than EEM, but I 
> > believe
> > it's more because of their "hand" and feel than
> because of the way ink 
> > lays
> > on their surface. Once you've matted a print on
> EEM, it looks about as
> > beautiful as you could wish.
> >
> 
> 


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>All,

If you're heading over to Los Altos to see Roy's show (I looked through the 
window yesterday after the galleries closed - WOW!  Even through the 
windows they are AMAZING)...go check out a show at the Center for 
Innovation at Foothill College.  It is titled "Some Pictures" and is by 
Keith Lee, a Foothill photography teacher.  He was my photo 2 teacher and 
we talked quite extensively about digital BW printing techniques.

The prints are both color and black and white, mostly done on film, scanned 
with a Nikon 8000, then printed on an Epson 2200.  While the prints are 
quite exceptional in terms of aesthetics, the printing technique doesn't 
sound that interesting...except that he isn't using a RIP at all.  He is 
using the UC inks and just manipulating his images until they came out the 
way he wanted.  I haven't seen a ton of BW 2200 prints done without a RIP, 
but I have to say that these are _really_ impressive.  I highly recommend 
this show if you can make it.

Some Pictures
by Keith Lee

Krause Center for Innovation
Foothill College
12345 El Monte Road
Los Altos Hills, CA

I believe they're open something like 8-8 M-F, and I _think_ they're open 
on Saturdays, too, but not sure on the hours (sorry, forgot to write that 
down).  But if you can check it out, it's pretty cool.

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Everyone,

As a UT-2 user I am interested in seeing the results
as well as learning of the workflows that other users
utilize.

If there is interest for a UT2 exchange, let me know
and I will do the administration aspects.  

I assume that there are 8 people who would like to do
this.  As the number is small, I propose that we
collect addresses and send individual prints made on
8.5x11 standard printing papers.

Contact me if interested.

Don
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Currently we have 5 people signed up for the UT2/EZBW
Exchange - we have room for 3 more people.

Those signed up:
Don Hill
Sean Ben-Safed
Joseph Robinson
Mike Sommers
George le Masurier

The images can be of any context or size, but printed
on standard 8.5x11 printing paper.  The idea is to see
your images and learn of your workflows with the UT2
inkset or the EZBW for the c82/84 printers.

The number is not limited to one image. But the only
requirement is that you provide details of your
workflow, curves, QTR, sliders, etc.

If we have no other takers for the three open slots,
we can limit this exchange to a total of 5.  We will
wait until this Friday, April 23 to close the
exchange.  

At that point, we will know the total number of
participants and we can commence printing.  I suggest
that we have the printing completed by May 21.  When
everyone has finished their printing, please forward
your shipping information to my email address.  When
everyone is finished printing, I will send the
addresses to all participants and we can ship the
prints at that time.

Don
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--- "D. Hill" <hill14701@...> wrote:
> Everyone,
> 
> As a UT-2 user I am interested in seeing the results
> as well as learning of the workflows that other
> users
> utilize.
> 
> If there is interest for a UT2 exchange, let me know
> and I will do the administration aspects.  
> 
> I assume that there are 8 people who would like to
> do
> this.  As the number is small, I propose that we
> collect addresses and send individual prints made on
> 8.5x11 standard printing papers.
> 
> Contact me if interested.
> 
> Don
> hill14701@...
> 
> 
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Hi Don...

I am using UT2 on a 1280.

I would like to participate.

Thanks

-Jim Coffee-


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D. Hill" <hill14701@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] UT2 Print Exchange Update


> Currently we have 5 people signed up for the UT2/EZBW
> Exchange - we have room for 3 more people.
>
> Those signed up:
> Don Hill
> Sean Ben-Safed
> Joseph Robinson
> Mike Sommers
> George le Masurier
>
> The images can be of any context or size, but printed
> on standard 8.5x11 printing paper.  The idea is to see
> your images and learn of your workflows with the UT2
> inkset or the EZBW for the c82/84 printers.
>
> The number is not limited to one image. But the only
> requirement is that you provide details of your
> workflow, curves, QTR, sliders, etc.
>
> If we have no other takers for the three open slots,
> we can limit this exchange to a total of 5.  We will
> wait until this Friday, April 23 to close the
> exchange.
>
> At that point, we will know the total number of
> participants and we can commence printing.  I suggest
> that we have the printing completed by May 21.  When
> everyone has finished their printing, please forward
> your shipping information to my email address.  When
> everyone is finished printing, I will send the
> addresses to all participants and we can ship the
> prints at that time.
>
> Don
> hill14701@...
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>
> --- "D. Hill" <hill14701@...> wrote:
> > Everyone,
> >
> > As a UT-2 user I am interested in seeing the results
> > as well as learning of the workflows that other
> > users
> > utilize.
> >
> > If there is interest for a UT2 exchange, let me know
> > and I will do the administration aspects.
> >
> > I assume that there are 8 people who would like to
> > do
> > this.  As the number is small, I propose that we
> > collect addresses and send individual prints made on
> > 8.5x11 standard printing papers.
> >
> > Contact me if interested.
> >
> > Don
> > hill14701@...
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"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.

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We have the total number of 8 participants for the UT2
print exchange:

Don Hill
Sean Ben-Safed
Joseph Robinson
Mike Sommers
George le Masurier
Justin Florentine 
Stan Raucher
Jim Coffee

Thanks to everyone who has signed up - this should be
an excellent exchange.

Don


	
		
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