Digital BW, The Print

From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Royal Renaissance tips?


>     Thanks for the tips Martin and Steadman!
>
>     I did do a print over the weekend that I have printed before on EAM.
On
> the EAM I have been very happy with the way it turns out, all though when
I
> did the same print on the Royal Ren. the picture was washed out and very
> gray toned, no real blacks and no real whites, but I printed the same way
I
> do with the EAM, and the EAM looks great in my humble opinion.  I am just
> wondering where I went wrong?  This may sounds silly but is there a
> preferred side to print on with this paper?

Jim,

Not silly at all. The only way I know to be sure which is the print side on
the Royal Ren. (Photo Rag) is to ligthly touch the underside of my tongue to
the surface of the paper. If it is the coated, print side it will stick to
you tongue. If it doesn't stick, it is the back side. This works for all
coated inkjet papers. I would be lost without it.

A print that worked on EAM should have been quite close on Photo Rag. Try
the other side of the print that didn't come out.

  I looked for the paper work but
> could find anything that stated one side over the other, all though the
> surfaces do feel different.  I will probably just do an experiment using
the
> other side, it's just this stuff isn't cheap as I am sure you all know.

That's for sure!
>
>     If your going to print and you just want to increase the blacks in you
> images is the general way of doing this through curves?  OK, thanks again.

Well you can't increase the maximum black with curves or any PS adjustment.
Any given ink/paper/driver combination has a max that you can only control
using different settings in the driver to control how much ink is laid down.
With the Epson driver this is controlled by the your choice of paper the
"Media Type" box. Tyler found that the Matte Paper - Heavyweight gave the
deepest black with MIS-VM on Photo Rag. In PS all you can do is move more of
the shadows to full black with a Levels, Curver or other command.

Martin
>
(snip earlier)

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:21 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Print side Re: [Digital BW] Royal Renaissance tips?




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Royal Renaissance tips?


>     Thanks for the tips Martin and Steadman!
>
>     I did do a print over the weekend that I have printed before on EAM.
On
> the EAM I have been very happy with the way it turns out, all though when
I
> did the same print on the Royal Ren. the picture was washed out and very
> gray toned, no real blacks and no real whites, but I printed the same way
I
> do with the EAM, and the EAM looks great in my humble opinion.  I am just
> wondering where I went wrong?  This may sounds silly but is there a
> preferred side to print on with this paper?

Jim,

Not silly at all. The only way I know to be sure which is the print side on
the Royal Ren. (Photo Rag) is to ligthly touch the underside of my tongue to
the surface of the paper. If it is the coated, print side it will stick to
you tongue. If it doesn't stick, it is the back side. This works for all
coated inkjet papers. I would be lost without it.

A print that worked on EAM should have been quite close on Photo Rag. Try
the other side of the print that didn't come out.

  I looked for the paper work but
> could find anything that stated one side over the other, all though the
> surfaces do feel different.  I will probably just do an experiment using
the
> other side, it's just this stuff isn't cheap as I am sure you all know.

That's for sure!
>
>     If your going to print and you just want to increase the blacks in you
> images is the general way of doing this through curves?  OK, thanks again.

Well you can't increase the maximum black with curves or any PS adjustment.
Any given ink/paper/driver combination has a max that you can only control
using different settings in the driver to control how much ink is laid down.
With the Epson driver this is controlled by the your choice of paper the
"Media Type" box. Tyler found that the Matte Paper - Heavyweight gave the
deepest black with MIS-VM on Photo Rag. In PS all you can do is move more of
the shadows to full black with a Levels, Curver or other command.

Martin
>
(snip earlier)



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On 6/25/02 8:39 PM, "shashinka@..." <shashinka@...> wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 6/25/02 12:14:07 PM, jimp@... writes:
> 
> <<  
>   Wow, thanks Martin, I am definitely going to try the tongue trick
> tonight!  If this paper is as good as everyone says I must have printed on
> the wrong side then, oh well, live and learn right...I have a lot of
> learning to do. :)  Well, thanks again, happy printing!
> 
> Jim P
>>> 
> 
> Hello:
> 
> Here's a less tasty option.  The coated side when lightly scratched with a
> name has more of a sandpaper feel.  The non-coated side will be more slippery.
> 
> best of luck!
> 
> -Andrew Darlow
> 
> Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
> Andrew Darlow Images International, NYC - www.andrewdarlow.com
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