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epson eco and 1430

2015-08-07 by Rick Hawkins Java

Folks

epson has 1430 printers on closeout for $199 in the clearance center online at epson

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product.do?UseCookie=yes&sku=C11CB53201-N

does anyone know how large the bottles of ink are that epson is selling for the ecotank printers

odd that epson is offering refillables 

has anyone played with the ecotank machines?
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

Re: [Digital BW] epson eco and 1430

2015-08-07 by Paul Roark

I continue to think the 1400 family is a very flexible platform.

The EcoTank printers appear to have larger 3 - 3.5 pl drops.

I have not tested the inks. When they are in stock I'll buy one of the black refills and see what it looks like.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macjava@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Folks


epson has 1430 printers on closeout for $199 in the clearance center online at epson


does anyone know how large the bottles of ink are that epson is selling for the ecotank printers

odd that epson is offering refillables

has anyone played with the ecotank machines?
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins


Re: epson eco and 1430

2015-08-08 by arlenelove3@...

The Epson 1430 is a very attractive buy, but I have been dedicated to  
archival pigment inks for my photographs. What do the purists here think  about 
dye inks?
                       Arlene Love  

arlenelove3@...

RE: [Digital BW] Re: epson eco and 1430

2015-08-08 by Edward Wiseman

Hi Arlene!..

 

You're sending this query via the "digital black and white the print" forum,
which primarily deals with black and white printing..The 1430 and it's
predecessor  the Stylus 1400 are "dye-based" printers.. utilizing Epson's
long lasting Color "Claria Inks". If you are looking to go to black and
white only, you will need to go to 3rd party inks for the permanency of
carbon based pigment inks as well as the better black and whites that you
will be able to produce vs using Epson Claria Inks..That said, MY solution
was to have 2 printers, one dye Epson Claria printer, and a 1400 converted
to B&W using carbon pigment inks..I'm also using long lasting 3rd party  dye
inks from Inkjet Mall.com, and while they may not be "long-term Archival",
they will probably out live me..Understand, that for prints to last, they
should be framed mounted UV protective sprayed, and matted under glass, and
sealed in the back , and hung on a wall not facing the sun or fluorescent
lighting for best-case longevity..Any way you look at it, the 1400 is a
great BARGAIN and a VERY reliable printer wit results that can be absolutely
"STUNNING"

 

Good luck whatever you choose.   You won't regret getting this printer!

 

Eddie
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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: epson eco and 1430

 

  

The Epson 1430 is a very attractive buy, but I have been dedicated to
archival pigment inks for my photographs. What do the purists here think
about dye inks?

                      Arlene Love 

 

arlenelove3@... <mailto:arlenelove3@...>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: epson eco and 1430

2015-08-08 by Paul Roark

The 1400 family is excellent with Eboni-6.

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, ';Edward Wiseman' pahts@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Arlene!..

You’re sending this query via the “digital black and white the print” forum, which primarily deals with black and white printing..The 1430 and it’s predecessor the Stylus 1400 are “dye-based” printers.. utilizing Epson’s long lasting Color “Claria Inks”. If you are looking to go to black and white only, you will need to go to 3rd party inks for the permanency of carbon based pigment inks as well as the better black and whites that you will be able to produce vs using Epson Claria Inks..That said, MY solution was to have 2 printers, one dye Epson Claria printer, and a 1400 converted to B&W using carbon pigment inks..I’m also using long lasting 3rd party dye inks from Inkjet Mall.com, and while they may not be “long-term Archival”, they will probably out live me..Understand, that for prints to last, they should be framed mounted UV protective sprayed, and matted under glass, and sealed in the back , and hung on a wall not facing the sun or fluorescent lighting for best-case longevity..Any way you look at it, the 1400 is a great BARGAIN and a VERY reliable printer wit results that can be absolutely “STUNNING”

Good luck whatever you choose. You won’t regret getting this printer!

Eddie

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:09 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: epson eco and 1430

The Epson 1430 is a very attractive buy, but I have been dedicated to archival pigment inks for my photographs. What do the purists here think about dye inks?

Arlene Love


Re: [Digital BW] Re: epson eco and 1430

2015-08-09 by Paul Roark

​(Back from wine tasting to finish this response to your question regarding dye inks ...)

The short answer is that although the dyes have some amazing visual advantages on some papers, if you are accustomed to carbon print longevity and want something that will last a long time, avoid the dyes. They are great for cards and short term display, but not really what I think of as "fine art" quality.

The longer answer:

I think B&W dyes on metallic paper have a visual "pop" to them that is beyond any other B&W medium I've seen. Frankly, they are the only B&W medium that I've had great success with in selling on the same wall as bright color paintings. The mixed media shows I most often participate in are in the front room of Gallery Los Olivos, where we have lots of daylight (which means a good spectrum and lots of UV to light up the OBAs in the paper).

Based on the success with selling in the front room with the dyes on metallic paper, I did an entire show of them in the front room of the gallery in September of 2013. It was a great success. Not all of the prints sold immediately. In fact the last one of them just "sold" this last week. I had moved it from the front room to a different wall that was lighted with LEDs and lacked the daylight (UV for the OBAs).

In general, dyes have much more "metamerism" or color inconstancy with less than perfect lights. Even though the Claria/Noritsu dyes are much better in this respect than many dyes, with typical fluorescent lights I never thought they were acceptable at all. While LEDs are considerably better, they are not perfect, with a CRI in the mid 80's.

So, back on the interior wall, I had this "old" dye print from 9/2013 next to some new ones. The new ones were made with a revised inkset that used more color ink in an "ABW" mode type of profile to help with the rather fast warming that the black only dyes experience.

To see how fast the dyes warm, see http://aardenburg-imaging.com/ and my recent fade test at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2nd-8wk-Fade-test-7-26-2015.jpg . The Claria Black Only is at the bottom left. 8 weeks in my test is not unlike 50 Mlux-hours in AaI&A testing, or about 25 Wilhelm display years.

Bottom line, the dye prints warm up (turn brown) relatively quickly, particularly if they use only the black ink.

As noted above, the change I made in my dye printing (using an old Epson 4000) was to go to a "ABW" type of profile. The colors are more lightfast than the black dye ink (a reversal of the situation with pigments). Compare the Noritsu dye (same as Claria) BO test at the top of the second column with the "4K" test strips that are the two pairs at the top of the first column. (The "4K" test strips are Noritsu dyes printed with the Epson 4000.) If you pull the Jpeg into Photoshop, you can use the eyedropper (width set to 11 pixels is OK, 31 pixels exactly centered in more accurate) to compare, say the 50% patch of the "control" (dark storage) with the tested/faded sample above it. You'll see the difference in actual numbers. I prefer LAB output on the Info palette. Notice that while the BO test sample Lab B went up about 2 units, it went down about one Lab B unit in the "4K" samples due to the colors being 70% of the blend. With Lab A both the BO and the "ABW" profile had an increase, but the "ABW" profile cut it by about 1/3.

I have made a QTR profile that uses this "ABW" approach for the 1400. So, the "4K" (Noritsu [Claria] with ABW type profile) fade test is close to what you can expect with a 1430 using the ABW type QTR profile. (The OEM 1400 profiles make rather poor B&W images, in my view, particularly on non-OEM paper.)

The ironic thing about the sale of the "old" dye print is that the buyer loved the warmth of the (faded) print compared to the newer ones.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com



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On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
The 1400 family is excellent with Eboni-6.

http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, 'Edward Wiseman' pahts@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Arlene!..

You’re sending this query via the “digital black and white the print” forum, which primarily deals with black and white printing..The 1430 and it’s predecessor the Stylus 1400 are “dye-based” printers.. utilizing Epson’s long lasting Color “Claria Inks”. If you are looking to go to black and white only, you will need to go to 3rd party inks for the permanency of carbon based pigment inks as well as the better black and whites that you will be able to produce vs using Epson Claria Inks..That said, MY solution was to have 2 printers, one dye Epson Claria printer, and a 1400 converted to B&W using carbon pigment inks..I’m also using long lasting 3rd party dye inks from Inkjet Mall.com, and while they may not be “long-term Archival”, they will probably out live me..Understand, that for prints to last, they should be framed mounted UV protective sprayed, and matted under glass, and sealed in the back , and hung on a wall not facing the sun or fluorescent lighting for best-case longevity..Any way you look at it, the 1400 is a great BARGAIN and a VERY reliable printer wit results that can be absolutely “STUNNING”

Good luck whatever you choose. You won’t regret getting this printer!

Eddie

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:09 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: epson eco and 1430

The Epson 1430 is a very attractive buy, but I have been dedicated to archival pigment inks for my photographs. What do the purists here think about dye inks?

Arlene Love



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