Digital BW, The Print

It's all an issue for inkjetmall.com -- they have the inks and its a matter of them
making the inks available in bottles.   They also should have the list of papers and
the tonal differences.  In any case though the tone differences are pretty subtle.
I don't think you'll get a "warm" print just the slight differences in paper color.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans & Chia <chiahans@...> 
wrote:
>
> Roy,
> 
> Yes, it's sounds really like a pain.
> Suppose it's easier to make your own mix if you buy all the ink in  
> bottles and can do your trials in smaller quantities. I don't have to  
> buy any carts I have a lot of them.
> The question now is where do you get the sepia in bottles?
> Which paper would you recommend to achive a warm print if you use the  
> neutral ink?
> 
> Thanks,
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> 9 aug 2006 kl. 01.49 skrev Roy Harrington:
> 
> > Bjorn,
> >
> > The only way to customize the tone you want is to mix the inks. The  
> > new Sepia
> > Inks are pretty warm. You can use all the standard QTR software and  
> > curves if
> > you mix Neutral K6 inks and Sepia K6 inks. For instance, a little  
> > warm might be
> > 85% Neutral + 15% Sepia. You have to mix each of the gray inks.  
> > There is only
> > one black ink so that need not be mixed. I don't think you'll get  
> > decent results
> > but just putting in some neutral carts and some sepia carts since  
> > the densities
> > are all different -- especially on the 7000. On a newer printer  
> > with smaller drop
> > sizes and 7 inks I might be tempted to try 3 of each color but  
> > you'd need completely
> > different profiles.
> >
> > The trouble with both of these ideas is that its pretty much just  
> > trial and error
> > until you get the tone you want. If you want to go this route I'd  
> > buy the Neutral
> > carts for the 7000 and the 4oz bottles of Sepia. WIth the syringe  
> > suck out some
> > neutral ink and replace it with some same density sepia ink. Do  
> > this for each
> > gray cart. Do about 5% at a time and work up to the warmth you  
> > like. After
> > mixing in more ink you can withdraw a little to spread on paper  
> > with a Q-tip.
> >
> > All in all its a bit of a pain but this way you can get exactly  
> > what you like.
> > Do as much of this as possible before loading the carts in the  
> > printer because its
> > a lot more difficult to change once the ink is in printer. Keep  
> > good notes so you
> > can do the same thing again for the next batch of ink.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk"
> > <reklamefoto@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I have an Epson 7000 standing unused (and tubes filled with  
> > cleaning fluid) for a
> > few
> > > months and have thought about loading it with Piezography K6.
> > > The only thing is I like a slightly warmer tone than "neutral",  
> > something between
> > neutral
> > > and PiezoTone Warm Neutral.
> > > Can you or someone else give me some advices on which inks to  
> > load, which
> > software to
> > > use and which paper gives the best print?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Bjorn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
> > <deanwork2003@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've been using the K6 in a 7000 for about 6 months and there  
> > is no
> > > > clogging and absulutely no ink seperation problems. They went  
> > back to
> > > > the woodshed and resolved those issues. I can't speak more  
> > highly of
> > > > this inkset. It seems the product of a decade of research. It  
> > is the
> > > > best in my opinion as long as you don't need glossy media.
> > > >
> > > > Now with all rag paper (and especially non-coated exotic rice  
> > papers
> > > > and such) your nozzles on Epson piezo machines can and do  
> > occasionally
> > > > get clogged. This is due not to the inks but to the fibers of the
> > > > media dislodging and accumulating in the head nozzles. If you  
> > brush
> > > > off each sheet of this kind of paper ( I use a drafting brush  
> > some use
> > > > cotton gloves, etc) you will be in pretty good shape. 100% cotton
> > > > papers contain a lot of loose cotton dust, and that is just a  
> > reality.
> > > > But as far as the Piezo Tone K6/K7 inks go, they are FAR  
> > superior to
> > > > Ultrachome in the realm of having to do constant nozzle checks and
> > > > head cleanings. I clean my 9600 with UC 10 times more than my K6
> > > > machine when using rag media.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans & Chia
> > > > <chiahans@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Roy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice to know that you don't have to flush the printer.
> > > > > As I would like to go a little bit warmer (not split tone)  
> > than "dead
> > > > > neutral" I thought it might be possible to change some of the  
> > carts.
> > > > > The question is which to switch and I suppose I have to do a new
> > > > > linearization as well.
> > > > > Or can you use QTR with the supplied profiles for this purpose?
> > > > > Have you heard anything about clogging or ink separation  
> > problems
> > > > > with K6/7 inks?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hans
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6 aug 2006 kl. 16.50 skrev Roy Harrington:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans &  
> > Chia
> > > > > > <chiahans@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've decided to load our Stylus Pro 7500 with Piezo K6  
> > and buy it in
> > > > > > > bottles.
> > > > > > > However, when looking at the Inkjet Mall site I'm getting  
> > a bit
> > > > > > > confused.
> > > > > > > I can't find any information which shade to exlude from  
> > the K7 inks.
> > > > > > > K2, K4 or K7 any suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do we need to flush the printer after only have used MIS  
> > UT 1 inks?
> > > > > > > Any guess when the sepia ink comes in bottles?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hans
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hans,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should leave out the lightest ink K7. It's also  
> > important which
> > > > > > ink goes
> > > > > > in which slot (at least if you plan on using QTR with the  
> > supplied
> > > > > > profiles).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd recommend just the Initial Ink Load of the new inks, not
> > > > > > flushing the printer
> > > > > > with cleaning ink. If you switch to sepia you probably have  
> > to do
> > > > > > this again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You'd have to ask inkjetmall when the sepia ink will be in  
> > bottles.
> > > > > > They have the
> > > > > > inks so it should be just a packaging issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> Hedåsgatan 5
> SE-412 53 Göteborg
> Sweden
> 
> +46 (0)31 181414
> Mobile: 073 974 44 24
> 
> (Besök/visit Hedåsgatan 6)
> 
> http:/www.pictoform.nu
> 
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> http:/www.etsabild.se
> http:/www.hotelartgallery.com
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