Digital BW, The Print

True, but the piezotones just stepped up the standard.  We'll see if MIS is
ready to match them...but my guess is that they are not...at least not with
an archival pigment based alternative.  The new inks aren't green, don't
clog (any more than FS does) and don't warm like FS.  Jerry--you won't be
able to judge the piezotones from a print exchange you will need to see side
by side identical prints to make an adequate comparison.  Doing this the
Piezotone images leap off the page in comparison because of the extra black
punch.  The gray ramp is also much better with the piezotones using the
piezo software.

The VM is a nice alternative for people with just one printer.  Personally
it isn't a problem for me to have several printers set up for different ink
sets...but this is probably not the case for a beginner.  The selenium and
color neutral piezotones will be shipping soon.

I have had little success adapting the standard epson driver workflows for
anything other than EAM and photorag.  I don't particularly like these
papers...so that's a real problem.  The piezo driver has been great in this
respect.  Imageprint will be even better (details soon)...but more expensive
for a beginner.  I haven't done a lot of testing with VM, but I find the RGB
workflows to be very image dependent...working on some and requiring
proofing and adjustment on others...once again not ideal for someone just
starting out.  Once again I think imageprint will make the VM inkset a much
more practical alternative...with a grey balancer like the new epson
printers...but the problem is once again dmax...I'm not willing to give up
0.1 to 0.15 dmax in exchange for a little flexibility.

Just my 2-cents,

Robert

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Robert Morrison
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4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066


On 6/25/02 2:07 PM, "jrandall1149" <jrandall@...> wrote:

> 
> All of the MIS B/W inksets (MIS-FS, MIS-VM, & MIS-N) are excellent
> choices as alternatives to the PiezoBW inkset.  The only real
> difference is in the warmth and personal preference.
> 
> Jeff Randall
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> I've been through everything Piezo, and I much prefer the VM inks.
> For a
>> beginner, it would be much less money to go with the MIS VM inks. I
> bet
>> I've thrown away $600 in paper and inks setting up the Piezo
> system. But
>> I was among the first to use it and the software was very buggy,
> and my
>> 3000 printer was nothing but hassles. Today, I wouldn't expect it to
>> cost much in testing, as the printers are much better, but the cone
> inks
>> did display a LOT of problems with clogging and inks turning green
> etc.
>> 
>> I am very anxious to see someone using these new piezotone inks in
> an
>> upcoming print exchange. Then I'll know for myself if they deliver
>> better results than the VM MIS inkset. I still MUCH prefer the VM
> MIS
>> inkset to the original Piezo inks.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> Robert Morrison wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been at quad printing for about a year and a half (digital
> printing
>>> since dot matrix printers in the 80's) and have tried nearly
> every major
>>> system to date.  I think there is no better money spent than an
> initial
>>> piezo software purchase.  You will get great prints across many
> different
>>> image files...with very little tweaking and will be able to
> experiment with
>>> papers...which in my opinion is one of the most interesting
> alternatives
>>> that inkjet printing provides over the darkroom.  RGB work flows
> are really
>>> tricky from image to image and are very difficult when you switch
> from paper
>>> to paper in my opinion.  The MIS VM ink set provides some
> interesting
>>> possibilities, but I would strongly encourage a beginner to get
> the piezo
>>> software with a set of Cone's new piezotones...I've used all the
> major ink
>>> sets out there and I think the piezotones blow the others away.
> They are a
>>> little more expensive...but certainly not 80%...and besides, ink
> is a small
>>> part of the final cost of a print, particularly with good paper.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/02 7:12 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You'd get just as good results using the VM inkset and Paul
> Roark's
>>>> curves, and your ink cost would be cut by about 80 percent.
> Also you
>>>> don't need any software.
>>>> 
>>>> Jerry
>>>> 
>>> 
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