Digital BW, The Print

Hi Marcus,

I had a similar question a while ago.
I live in Belgium and thought about importing US inks, but it's always
that easy and quite expensive to (nowadays I pay 40-50% customs tax if I
buy something in the US!).

Paul R. and Ernst D. gave me good advice on how to setup an 'open
source' ink system.

Ernst adviced met to use a setup similar to this one:
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/HP-C6.pdf
In particular HP Vivera PK diluted with this -German- base:
http://www.octopus-office.de/shop/details/c/tinte-nachfuelltinte-epson-t0540-t0549/p/ocp-optimizer-fuer-canon-bc-60-farblos/

Paul had some fear that this OCP optimiser would clog, but Ernst
recently said that he had no problems with it at all.

The MK position is filled in with HP Vivera Matte black.

You can use this setup for printing on glossy/matte papers.

The tone is cool to neutral.

If you want a warmer tone, then there seems to be no solution with this
setup.

So, in that perspective I am also still searching how to solve that
'problem'.

Maybe we shoud import some basic stuff (PK, MK and the base) from this
list(?): Roark's Lab - Experimental B&W:
http://www.inksupply.com/roarkslab.cfm
and mix up the dilutions ourself, like I did before with the PK/MK
Vivera setup.

Cheers

Ben 

 


On 26/07/2013 14:17, luxlebis wrote:
>  
>
> Oh, thank you that looks interesting
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, "J.F.
> Felinik" <jf@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you need inexpensive carts for the 1400, I've bought a cpl of
> packages
> > of these (to have swaps ready). It's the same as you buy from MIS,
> but in
> > EU and still a good price:
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refillable-Empty-Cartridges-for-Epson-Stylus-Photo-1400-Stylus-P50-E7-/321145551632?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printing_PrinterInkCatridges_JN&hash=item4ac5c43b10
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > /JF
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://felinik.com
> > http://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik <https://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik>
> >
> >
> > 2013/7/26 luxlebis <luxlebis@...>
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you Paul,
> > > I will first get the Printer and the empty cards from farbenwerk.com.
> > > Ithink I start with UT 3d first cause I have it here. I'm then
> going to
> > > try to
> > > mix my own Carbon 6. This looks economical. Yesterday I compared
> my first
> > > prints from the sigma with darkroom prints from a 6x7 APX 25 and I
> think
> > > they are
> > > sharper and have nearly the same detail. Looks great.
> > > Marcus
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul Roark
> > > <roark.paul@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Marcus ... <luxlebis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ... which would be the best route for me to go with an Epson r1430
> > > > > converted to a black and white only printer. [?] ...
> > > > >
> > > > There is not one size fits all. A very flexible inkset like the
> UT3D or
> > > > the UT14 can help identify what types of papers and what print
> tones/hues
> > > > you like best. Most then focus on one thing. Once you determine your
> > > > preferences, then having a system that focuses more on that
> particular
> > > > print type makes sense.
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > > > I´m already using the UT3d inkset in an r285 (r290 in US I
> think,I´m
> > > from
> > >
> > > > > Germany). I get very good results.
> > > > >
> > > > ... I use the Sigma dp2 merrill for my b&w photography ... I
> think I can
> > > > > nearly get a r1430 ...
> > > > >
> > > > Those files are amazing. Going to a very sharp 1430 is a good idea.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I read online about K7 vs. Eboni 6. Has eboni 6 really the 6
> different
> > > > > dilution advantage like the cone inks (concerning resolution)?
> > > > >
> > > > Yes. In both cases the printer and paper are the limiting
> factors, not
> > > the
> > > > inks. The Eboni-6 has the longevity advantage over all but the Cone
> > > > Carbon Sepia, which is essentially equal to Eboni due to being 100%
> > > carbon.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of apparent sharpness and dynamic range, dyes on
> metallic paper
> > > > set the benchmark, in my view. But they are not in the same archival
> > > > league as 100% carbon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In Germany there is an inksupplier called farbenwerk.com from
> where I
> > > got
> > > > > my UT3d set some years ago. They sell a 100% carbon matte set to
> > > > > (carbonprint museum), does anybody know if that is eboni6 ?
> > > > >
> > > > I don't know but will try to find out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > With the UT3d inkset I have the opportunity to switch between
> matte and
> > > > > glossy printing. I get very good prints on the Ilford mono FB
> paper.
> > > But
> > > > > for the 1430 I think I will go for a matte set.
> > > > >
> > > > When displayed behind glass, the differences between glossy and
> matte
> > > tend
> > > > to be minimal. When hand held and not glazed, most probably
> think the
> > > > glossy prints are sharper and have higher dynamic range. This is
> largely
> > > > about display conditions and reflections. So, the target display
> setting
> > > > matters.
> > > >
> > > > As a practical matter, if you buy a set of carts first, you can
> see if
> > > you
> > > > like the inkset before investing too much money into it. The
> 1400/1430 is
> > > > a very flexible platform.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I read about Paul´s way to mix a matte set, but have problems
> to get
> > > all
> > >
> > > > > the ingredients here in Germany. Has anybody done that in
> > > Germany/Europe
> > > > > and can give me advice?
> > > > >
> > > > There are some there. My recollection is that some have used
> Photo Flo
> > > 600
> > > > instead of 200, and it works in the generic base (see
> > > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf for formulas). I
> think
> > > > most have still purchased the Edwal LFN from B&H in New York. It
> comes in
> > > > a 4 oz. size.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > > >
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