Digital BW, The Print

>
> Marcus ... <luxlebis@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... which would be the best route for me to go with an Epson r1430
> > converted to a black and white only printer. [?] ...
> >
> There is not one size fits all.  A very flexible inkset like the UT3D or
> the UT14 can help identify what types of papers and what print tones/hues
> you like best.  Most then focus on one thing.  Once you determine your
> preferences, then having a system that focuses more on that particular
> print type makes sense.
> 
> ...
> > I´m already using the UT3d inkset in an r285 (r290 in US I think,I´m from
> > Germany). I get very good results.
> >
> ... I use the Sigma dp2 merrill for my b&w photography ...  I think I can
> > nearly get a r1430 ...
> >
> Those files are amazing.  Going to a very sharp 1430 is a good idea.
> 
> 
> > I read online about K7 vs. Eboni 6. Has eboni 6 really the 6 different
> > dilution advantage like the cone inks (concerning resolution)?
> >
> Yes.  In both cases the printer and paper are the limiting factors, not the
> inks.  The Eboni-6 has the  longevity advantage over all but the Cone
> Carbon Sepia, which is essentially equal to Eboni due to being 100% carbon.
> 
> In terms of apparent sharpness and dynamic range, dyes on metallic paper
> set the benchmark, in my view.  But they are not in the same archival
> league as 100% carbon.
> 
> 
> > In Germany there is an inksupplier called farbenwerk.com from where I got
> > my UT3d set some years ago. They sell a 100% carbon matte set to
> > (carbonprint museum), does anybody know if that is eboni6 ?
> >
> I don't know but will try to find out.
> 
> 
> > With the UT3d inkset I have the opportunity to switch between matte and
> > glossy printing. I get very good prints on the Ilford mono FB paper. But
> > for the 1430 I think I will go for a matte set.
> >
> When displayed behind glass, the differences between glossy and matte tend
> to be minimal.  When hand held and not glazed, most probably think the
> glossy prints are sharper and have higher dynamic range.  This is largely
> about display conditions and reflections.  So, the target display setting
> matters.
> 
> As a practical matter, if you buy a set of carts first, you can see if you
> like the inkset before investing too much money into it.  The 1400/1430 is
> a very flexible platform.
> 
> 
> > I read about Paul´s way to mix a matte set, but have problems to get all
> > the ingredients here in Germany. Has anybody done that in Germany/Europe
> > and can give me advice?
> >
> There are some there.  My recollection is that some have used Photo Flo 600
> instead of 200, and it works in the generic base (see
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf for formulas).  I think
> most have still purchased the Edwal LFN from B&H in New York.  It comes in
> a 4 oz. size.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> <luxlebis@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ...
> > In Germany there is an inksupplier called farbenwerk.com from where I got
> > my UT3d set some years ago. They sell a 100% carbon matte set to
> > (carbonprint museum), does anybody know if that is eboni6 ? ...
> >
> >
> > I'm told  farbenwerk.com  used to purchase UT3D from MIS and were looking
> at EB6 a few months ago.  At this time, however, they do not offer the EB6
> inks that are made by MIS.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi,
> 
> If you need inexpensive carts for the 1400, I've bought a cpl of packages
> of these (to have swaps ready). It's the same as you buy from MIS, but in
> EU and still a good price:
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refillable-Empty-Cartridges-for-Epson-Stylus-Photo-1400-Stylus-P50-E7-/321145551632?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printing_PrinterInkCatridges_JN&hash=item4ac5c43b10
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> /JF
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://felinik.com
> http://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik <https://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik>
> 
> 
> 2013/7/26 luxlebis <luxlebis@...>
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Thank you Paul,
> > I will first get the Printer and the empty cards from farbenwerk.com.
> > Ithink I start with UT 3d first cause I have it here. I'm then going to
> > try to
> > mix my own Carbon 6. This looks economical. Yesterday I compared my first
> > prints from the sigma with darkroom prints from a 6x7 APX 25 and I think
> > they are
> > sharper and have nearly the same detail. Looks great.
> > Marcus
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark
> > <roark.paul@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Marcus ... <luxlebis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ... which would be the best route for me to go with an Epson r1430
> > > > converted to a black and white only printer. [?] ...
> > > >
> > > There is not one size fits all. A very flexible inkset like the UT3D or
> > > the UT14 can help identify what types of papers and what print tones/hues
> > > you like best. Most then focus on one thing. Once you determine your
> > > preferences, then having a system that focuses more on that particular
> > > print type makes sense.
> > >
> > > ...
> > > > I´m already using the UT3d inkset in an r285 (r290 in US I think,I´m
> > from
> >
> > > > Germany). I get very good results.
> > > >
> > > ... I use the Sigma dp2 merrill for my b&w photography ... I think I can
> > > > nearly get a r1430 ...
> > > >
> > > Those files are amazing. Going to a very sharp 1430 is a good idea.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I read online about K7 vs. Eboni 6. Has eboni 6 really the 6 different
> > > > dilution advantage like the cone inks (concerning resolution)?
> > > >
> > > Yes. In both cases the printer and paper are the limiting factors, not
> > the
> > > inks. The Eboni-6 has the longevity advantage over all but the Cone
> > > Carbon Sepia, which is essentially equal to Eboni due to being 100%
> > carbon.
> > >
> > > In terms of apparent sharpness and dynamic range, dyes on metallic paper
> > > set the benchmark, in my view. But they are not in the same archival
> > > league as 100% carbon.
> > >
> > >
> > > > In Germany there is an inksupplier called farbenwerk.com from where I
> > got
> > > > my UT3d set some years ago. They sell a 100% carbon matte set to
> > > > (carbonprint museum), does anybody know if that is eboni6 ?
> > > >
> > > I don't know but will try to find out.
> > >
> > >
> > > > With the UT3d inkset I have the opportunity to switch between matte and
> > > > glossy printing. I get very good prints on the Ilford mono FB paper.
> > But
> > > > for the 1430 I think I will go for a matte set.
> > > >
> > > When displayed behind glass, the differences between glossy and matte
> > tend
> > > to be minimal. When hand held and not glazed, most probably think the
> > > glossy prints are sharper and have higher dynamic range. This is largely
> > > about display conditions and reflections. So, the target display setting
> > > matters.
> > >
> > > As a practical matter, if you buy a set of carts first, you can see if
> > you
> > > like the inkset before investing too much money into it. The 1400/1430 is
> > > a very flexible platform.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I read about Paul´s way to mix a matte set, but have problems to get
> > all
> >
> > > > the ingredients here in Germany. Has anybody done that in
> > Germany/Europe
> > > > and can give me advice?
> > > >
> > > There are some there. My recollection is that some have used Photo Flo
> > 600
> > > instead of 200, and it works in the generic base (see
> > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf for formulas). I think
> > > most have still purchased the Edwal LFN from B&H in New York. It comes in
> > > a 4 oz. size.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> I had a similar question a while ago.
> I live in Belgium and thought about importing US inks, but it's always
> that easy and quite expensive to (nowadays I pay 40-50% customs tax if I
> buy something in the US!).
> 
> Paul R. and Ernst D. gave me good advice on how to setup an 'open
> source' ink system.
> 
> Ernst adviced met to use a setup similar to this one:
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/HP-C6.pdf
> In particular HP Vivera PK diluted with this -German- base:
> http://www.octopus-office.de/shop/details/c/tinte-nachfuelltinte-epson-t0540-t0549/p/ocp-optimizer-fuer-canon-bc-60-farblos/
> 
> Paul had some fear that this OCP optimiser would clog, but Ernst
> recently said that he had no problems with it at all.
> 
> The MK position is filled in with HP Vivera Matte black.
> 
> You can use this setup for printing on glossy/matte papers.
> 
> The tone is cool to neutral.
> 
> If you want a warmer tone, then there seems to be no solution with this
> setup.
> 
> So, in that perspective I am also still searching how to solve that
> 'problem'.
> 
> Maybe we shoud import some basic stuff (PK, MK and the base) from this
> list(?): Roark's Lab - Experimental B&W:
> http://www.inksupply.com/roarkslab.cfm
> and mix up the dilutions ourself, like I did before with the PK/MK
> Vivera setup.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ben 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On 26/07/2013 14:17, luxlebis wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Oh, thank you that looks interesting
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m
> > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, "J.F.
> > Felinik" <jf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you need inexpensive carts for the 1400, I've bought a cpl of
> > packages
> > > of these (to have swaps ready). It's the same as you buy from MIS,
> > but in
> > > EU and still a good price:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refillable-Empty-Cartridges-for-Epson-Stylus-Photo-1400-Stylus-P50-E7-/321145551632?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printing_PrinterInkCatridges_JN&hash=item4ac5c43b10
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > /JF
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://felinik.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik <https://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik>
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/7/26 luxlebis <luxlebis@>
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Paul,
> > > > I will first get the Printer and the empty cards from farbenwerk.com.
> > > > Ithink I start with UT 3d first cause I have it here. I'm then
> > going to
> > > > try to
> > > > mix my own Carbon 6. This looks economical. Yesterday I compared
> > my first
> > > > prints from the sigma with darkroom prints from a 6x7 APX 25 and I
> > think
> > > > they are
> > > > sharper and have nearly the same detail. Looks great.
> > > > Marcus
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul Roark
> > > > <roark.paul@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcus ... <luxlebis@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... which would be the best route for me to go with an Epson r1430
> > > > > > converted to a black and white only printer. [?] ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > There is not one size fits all. A very flexible inkset like the
> > UT3D or
> > > > > the UT14 can help identify what types of papers and what print
> > tones/hues
> > > > > you like best. Most then focus on one thing. Once you determine your
> > > > > preferences, then having a system that focuses more on that
> > particular
> > > > > print type makes sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I´m already using the UT3d inkset in an r285 (r290 in US I
> > think,I´m
> > > > from
> > > >
> > > > > > Germany). I get very good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > ... I use the Sigma dp2 merrill for my b&w photography ... I
> > think I can
> > > > > > nearly get a r1430 ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > Those files are amazing. Going to a very sharp 1430 is a good idea.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I read online about K7 vs. Eboni 6. Has eboni 6 really the 6
> > different
> > > > > > dilution advantage like the cone inks (concerning resolution)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Yes. In both cases the printer and paper are the limiting
> > factors, not
> > > > the
> > > > > inks. The Eboni-6 has the longevity advantage over all but the Cone
> > > > > Carbon Sepia, which is essentially equal to Eboni due to being 100%
> > > > carbon.
> > > > >
> > > > > In terms of apparent sharpness and dynamic range, dyes on
> > metallic paper
> > > > > set the benchmark, in my view. But they are not in the same archival
> > > > > league as 100% carbon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > In Germany there is an inksupplier called farbenwerk.com from
> > where I
> > > > got
> > > > > > my UT3d set some years ago. They sell a 100% carbon matte set to
> > > > > > (carbonprint museum), does anybody know if that is eboni6 ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > I don't know but will try to find out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > With the UT3d inkset I have the opportunity to switch between
> > matte and
> > > > > > glossy printing. I get very good prints on the Ilford mono FB
> > paper.
> > > > But
> > > > > > for the 1430 I think I will go for a matte set.
> > > > > >
> > > > > When displayed behind glass, the differences between glossy and
> > matte
> > > > tend
> > > > > to be minimal. When hand held and not glazed, most probably
> > think the
> > > > > glossy prints are sharper and have higher dynamic range. This is
> > largely
> > > > > about display conditions and reflections. So, the target display
> > setting
> > > > > matters.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a practical matter, if you buy a set of carts first, you can
> > see if
> > > > you
> > > > > like the inkset before investing too much money into it. The
> > 1400/1430 is
> > > > > a very flexible platform.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I read about Paul´s way to mix a matte set, but have problems
> > to get
> > > > all
> > > >
> > > > > > the ingredients here in Germany. Has anybody done that in
> > > > Germany/Europe
> > > > > > and can give me advice?
> > > > > >
> > > > > There are some there. My recollection is that some have used
> > Photo Flo
> > > > 600
> > > > > instead of 200, and it works in the generic base (see
> > > > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf for formulas). I
> > think
> > > > > most have still purchased the Edwal LFN from B&H in New York. It
> > comes in
> > > > > a 4 oz. size.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> I had a similar question a while ago.
> I live in Belgium and thought about importing US inks, but it's always
> that easy and quite expensive to (nowadays I pay 40-50% customs tax if I
> buy something in the US!).
> 
> Paul R. and Ernst D. gave me good advice on how to setup an 'open
> source' ink system.
> 
> Ernst adviced met to use a setup similar to this one:
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/HP-C6.pdf
> In particular HP Vivera PK diluted with this -German- base:
> http://www.octopus-office.de/shop/details/c/tinte-nachfuelltinte-epson-t0540-t0549/p/ocp-optimizer-fuer-canon-bc-60-farblos/
> 
> Paul had some fear that this OCP optimiser would clog, but Ernst
> recently said that he had no problems with it at all.
> 
> The MK position is filled in with HP Vivera Matte black.
> 
> You can use this setup for printing on glossy/matte papers.
> 
> The tone is cool to neutral.
> 
> If you want a warmer tone, then there seems to be no solution with this
> setup.
> 
> So, in that perspective I am also still searching how to solve that
> 'problem'.
> 
> Maybe we shoud import some basic stuff (PK, MK and the base) from this
> list(?): Roark's Lab - Experimental B&W:
> http://www.inksupply.com/roarkslab.cfm
> and mix up the dilutions ourself, like I did before with the PK/MK
> Vivera setup.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ben 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On 26/07/2013 14:17, luxlebis wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Oh, thank you that looks interesting
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, "J.F.
> > Felinik" <jf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you need inexpensive carts for the 1400, I've bought a cpl of
> > packages
> > > of these (to have swaps ready). It's the same as you buy from MIS,
> > but in
> > > EU and still a good price:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refillable-Empty-Cartridges-for-Epson-Stylus-Photo-1400-Stylus-P50-E7-/321145551632?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printing_PrinterInkCatridges_JN&hash=item4ac5c43b10
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > /JF
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://felinik.com
> > > http://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik <https://www.facebook.com/jf.felinik>
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/7/26 luxlebis <luxlebis@>
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Paul,
> > > > I will first get the Printer and the empty cards from farbenwerk.com.
> > > > Ithink I start with UT 3d first cause I have it here. I'm then
> > going to
> > > > try to
> > > > mix my own Carbon 6. This looks economical. Yesterday I compared
> > my first
> > > > prints from the sigma with darkroom prints from a 6x7 APX 25 and I
> > think
> > > > they are
> > > > sharper and have nearly the same detail. Looks great.
> > > > Marcus
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul Roark
> > > > <roark.paul@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcus ... <luxlebis@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... which would be the best route for me to go with an Epson r1430
> > > > > > converted to a black and white only printer. [?] ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > There is not one size fits all. A very flexible inkset like the
> > UT3D or
> > > > > the UT14 can help identify what types of papers and what print
> > tones/hues
> > > > > you like best. Most then focus on one thing. Once you determine your
> > > > > preferences, then having a system that focuses more on that
> > particular
> > > > > print type makes sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I´m already using the UT3d inkset in an r285 (r290 in US I
> > think,I´m
> > > > from
> > > >
> > > > > > Germany). I get very good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > ... I use the Sigma dp2 merrill for my b&w photography ... I
> > think I can
> > > > > > nearly get a r1430 ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > Those files are amazing. Going to a very sharp 1430 is a good idea.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I read online about K7 vs. Eboni 6. Has eboni 6 really the 6
> > different
> > > > > > dilution advantage like the cone inks (concerning resolution)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Yes. In both cases the printer and paper are the limiting
> > factors, not
> > > > the
> > > > > inks. The Eboni-6 has the longevity advantage over all but the Cone
> > > > > Carbon Sepia, which is essentially equal to Eboni due to being 100%
> > > > carbon.
> > > > >
> > > > > In terms of apparent sharpness and dynamic range, dyes on
> > metallic paper
> > > > > set the benchmark, in my view. But they are not in the same archival
> > > > > league as 100% carbon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > In Germany there is an inksupplier called farbenwerk.com from
> > where I
> > > > got
> > > > > > my UT3d set some years ago. They sell a 100% carbon matte set to
> > > > > > (carbonprint museum), does anybody know if that is eboni6 ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > I don't know but will try to find out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > With the UT3d inkset I have the opportunity to switch between
> > matte and
> > > > > > glossy printing. I get very good prints on the Ilford mono FB
> > paper.
> > > > But
> > > > > > for the 1430 I think I will go for a matte set.
> > > > > >
> > > > > When displayed behind glass, the differences between glossy and
> > matte
> > > > tend
> > > > > to be minimal. When hand held and not glazed, most probably
> > think the
> > > > > glossy prints are sharper and have higher dynamic range. This is
> > largely
> > > > > about display conditions and reflections. So, the target display
> > setting
> > > > > matters.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a practical matter, if you buy a set of carts first, you can
> > see if
> > > > you
> > > > > like the inkset before investing too much money into it. The
> > 1400/1430 is
> > > > > a very flexible platform.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I read about Paul´s way to mix a matte set, but have problems
> > to get
> > > > all
> > > >
> > > > > > the ingredients here in Germany. Has anybody done that in
> > > > Germany/Europe
> > > > > > and can give me advice?
> > > > > >
> > > > > There are some there. My recollection is that some have used
> > Photo Flo
> > > > 600
> > > > > instead of 200, and it works in the generic base (see
> > > > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf for formulas). I
> > think
> > > > > most have still purchased the Edwal LFN from B&H in New York. It
> > comes in
> > > > > a 4 oz. size.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>