Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi everybody,

I have Pearl Traveller kit (DDrum Red shot triggers) along with the 
DTXpressII kit, I'm facing problems with the mesh heads (lot of missed beats 
while playing fast rolls in addition to some Bass drum problems), so the 
question is: Would DTXtremeIIS response better to those mesh heads? If yes, 
would it be that big difference?
Any idea how to decrease those missed beats rate with my current DTXpressII 
(All rejection options are set to 0, Gain = 99, MVel = 4)

Thanks.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...> 
wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I have Pearl Traveller kit (DDrum Red shot triggers) along with the 
> DTXpressII kit, I'm facing problems with the mesh heads (lot of 
missed beats 
> while playing fast rolls in addition to some Bass drum problems), 
so the 
> question is: Would DTXtremeIIS response better to those mesh heads? 
If yes, 
> would it be that big difference?
> Any idea how to decrease those missed beats rate with my current 
DTXpressII 
> (All rejection options are set to 0, Gain = 99, MVel = 4)

People have reported problems using the redshots and the DTXpress 
module, especially on the kick, both here and at the ddrum forum. 
Have you tried the DT10/20 pad-type settings in the trigger mode and 
trigger setup, and have you flipped the DIP switches on the back of 
the module to the high positions (use a pen or pin; they're tiny). We 
don't know anything about how the DTXtreme IIS module will respond to 
particular pads at this point, though chances are that it will be 
more versatile than the DTXpress II. I'd try new triggers and exhaust 
setting possiblilities in the module that you have now before I went 
out and spent 1,000 on a new module that might not solve your problem 
any better--unless, of course, you'd just like to have a better 
module in principle.

Ed

Unfortunatelly, I did all what you adviced .... So, I should keep simulating 
the missed beats in my brain rather than the DTXpress brain.

Thanks.


>From: "emf" <liberatusvirus@...>
>Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DTXpress] Re: DTXtremeIIS & Mesh Heads.
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:29:38 -0000
>
>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...>
>wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I have Pearl Traveller kit (DDrum Red shot triggers) along with the
> > DTXpressII kit, I'm facing problems with the mesh heads (lot of
>missed beats
> > while playing fast rolls in addition to some Bass drum problems),
>so the
> > question is: Would DTXtremeIIS response better to those mesh heads?
>If yes,
> > would it be that big difference?
> > Any idea how to decrease those missed beats rate with my current
>DTXpressII
> > (All rejection options are set to 0, Gain = 99, MVel = 4)
>
>People have reported problems using the redshots and the DTXpress
>module, especially on the kick, both here and at the ddrum forum.
>Have you tried the DT10/20 pad-type settings in the trigger mode and
>trigger setup, and have you flipped the DIP switches on the back of
>the module to the high positions (use a pen or pin; they're tiny). We
>don't know anything about how the DTXtreme IIS module will respond to
>particular pads at this point, though chances are that it will be
>more versatile than the DTXpress II. I'd try new triggers and exhaust
>setting possiblilities in the module that you have now before I went
>out and spent 1,000 on a new module that might not solve your problem
>any better--unless, of course, you'd just like to have a better
>module in principle.
>
>Ed
>

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...> 
wrote:
> Unfortunatelly, I did all what you adviced .... So, I should keep 
simulating 
> the missed beats in my brain rather than the DTXpress brain.

Well, the human brain can do some pretty amazing interpolations, but 
unfortunately not with intervals this long, no matter how fast you 
may be. I think we have to work harder on this one before we give up. 
Would you do some testing for us? How about trying the RHP and SHP 
settings in pad type? I have no expectations that they'll be better, 
but I'd like to know how they compare with DT10/20 pad-type settings 
when the DIPs are high. Do RHP and SHP make the redshot/Pearl 
combination louder or softer, etc., or no change?

With pleasure. Here we go:

1- For Pad Type, nothing will help at all. It's not a problem of louder or 
not. If I chose any pad other than DT (Kick, snare ...etc) or SHP, one beat 
would give many undesirable beats. But If I chose SHP, the things would 
become better (but not that much). While the DT Pad Type is the best option 
but still you will miss some beats. In fact, after investigating all around 
the beat (Trigger, Brain, Head), I got a result that it's mostly not because 
of the Brain, nor the Trigger. Mostly because of the head, but why?  Because 
when I hit the head in one location with same stick using the same kind of 
velocity, it may miss the beat sometimes, when I play fast on a location 
opposite to the trigger side, it hardly misses beats, while if I played with 
the same speed either in the central or the trigger side area, it mostly 
bypasses some beats (if it's in the central area, it will bypass a lot of 
the beats).

I read about Pintech/Hartdynamics mesh heads, but some people said it's 
better foot the mesh head to be 1-ply, while others said that 2-ply has a 
better response. Since live in Dubai, I don't have any of those products in 
hand. I got all of my equipments from US, and now I failed to get the 
DTXtremeIIS from there (My brother left US).

Would this help you guys?

>From: "emf" <liberatusvirus@...>
>Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DTXpress] Re: DTXtremeIIS & Mesh Heads.
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:33:16 -0000
>
>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...>
>wrote:
> > Unfortunatelly, I did all what you adviced .... So, I should keep
>simulating
> > the missed beats in my brain rather than the DTXpress brain.
>
>Well, the human brain can do some pretty amazing interpolations, but
>unfortunately not with intervals this long, no matter how fast you
>may be. I think we have to work harder on this one before we give up.
>Would you do some testing for us? How about trying the RHP and SHP
>settings in pad type? I have no expectations that they'll be better,
>but I'd like to know how they compare with DT10/20 pad-type settings
>when the DIPs are high. Do RHP and SHP make the redshot/Pearl
>combination louder or softer, etc., or no change?
>

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Probably it only touches a side aspect but nevertheless: Before I
bought my DTXPIII I was a DTXtremeI user and I remember my problem
with loudness on the standard heads that go with the original setup.
So I went to a local dealer and asked for meshheads and he strongly
recommended not to go for any other than T-Drum heads which actually
are the ones that are distributed by Ddrum in Europe (I therefore
assume that they are mounted on Ddrum shells).

Although I realise that your hardware (shells, pads) isn´t Ddrum or
DTXtreme, still it is about Ddrum triggers. How do you view the
influence a certain meshhead brand could have? - If you are interested
to have a look at T-Drums´ website the link is www.triggerhead.com.

Regards     -Bongo-  





--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...>
wrote:
> With pleasure. Here we go:
> 
> 1- For Pad Type, nothing will help at all. It's not a problem of
louder or 
> not. If I chose any pad other than DT (Kick, snare ...etc) or SHP,
one beat 
> would give many undesirable beats. But If I chose SHP, the things would 
> become better (but not that much). While the DT Pad Type is the best
option 
> but still you will miss some beats. In fact, after investigating all
around 
> the beat (Trigger, Brain, Head), I got a result that it's mostly not
because 
> of the Brain, nor the Trigger. Mostly because of the head, but why?
 Because 
> when I hit the head in one location with same stick using the same
kind of 
> velocity, it may miss the beat sometimes, when I play fast on a
location 
> opposite to the trigger side, it hardly misses beats, while if I
played with 
> the same speed either in the central or the trigger side area, it
mostly 
> bypasses some beats (if it's in the central area, it will bypass a
lot of 
> the beats).
> 
> I read about Pintech/Hartdynamics mesh heads, but some people said it's 
> better foot the mesh head to be 1-ply, while others said that 2-ply
has a 
> better response. Since live in Dubai, I don't have any of those
products in 

> hand. I got all of my equipments from US, and now I failed to get the 
> DTXtremeIIS from there (My brother left US).
> 
> Would this help you guys?
> 
> >From: "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...>
> >Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [DTXpress] Re: DTXtremeIIS & Mesh Heads.
> >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:33:16 -0000
> >
> >--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > Unfortunatelly, I did all what you adviced .... So, I should keep
> >simulating
> > > the missed beats in my brain rather than the DTXpress brain.
> >
> >Well, the human brain can do some pretty amazing interpolations, but
> >unfortunately not with intervals this long, no matter how fast you
> >may be. I think we have to work harder on this one before we give up.
> >Would you do some testing for us? How about trying the RHP and SHP
> >settings in pad type? I have no expectations that they'll be better,
> >but I'd like to know how they compare with DT10/20 pad-type settings
> >when the DIPs are high. Do RHP and SHP make the redshot/Pearl
> >combination louder or softer, etc., or no change?
> >
> 
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Ed, your idea is very reasonable, specially if I told you that there is no 
dropouts at all in Buzz-roll if it was too close to the trigger.


>From: "emf" <liberatusvirus@...>
>Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DTXpress] Re: DTXtremeIIS & Mesh Heads.
>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:57:04 -0000
>
>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...>
>wrote:
> > Probably it only touches a side aspect but nevertheless: Before I
> > bought my DTXPIII I was a DTXtremeI user and I remember my problem
> > with loudness on the standard heads that go with the original setup.
> > So I went to a local dealer and asked for meshheads and he strongly
> > recommended not to go for any other than T-Drum heads which actually
> > are the ones that are distributed by Ddrum in Europe (I therefore
> > assume that they are mounted on Ddrum shells).
> >
> > Although I realise that your hardware (shells, pads) isn\ufffdt Ddrum or
> > DTXtreme, still it is about Ddrum triggers. How do you view the
> > influence a certain meshhead brand could have? - If you are
>interested
> > to have a look at T-Drums\ufffd website the link is www.triggerhead.com.
>
>I'd like to think a little about what Abdulmalek has observed--that
>dropouts are more likely to occur nearer to the trigger than away
>from it. I'm familiar with the DTXPU's tendency to multiple triggers
>with certain pads at certain settings. As for what happens with the
>DT10/20 setting and mesh heads, I'm tempted to say that the DTXPU
>module is too slow to read strong signals that follow each other
>closely, but at a distance, when the signal envelope is shorter, it
>doesn't hang up as much. But I'm not sure about that theory.
>
>As for mesh heads, I think that ddrum had to license the ones on its
>pads from triggerhead, who had an agreement with Roland. What impacts
>triggering with mesh heads is not so much the brand (which varies
>mainly by thickness, if at all, for the purposes of this issue) but
>where the piezo is located beneath it, the nature of the foam that
>intervenes, and how tightly the head is tuned. I wouldn' be surprised
>if Bongo's problem was either heads that were tight enough or shell
>interiors that tended to muffle the piezo. Lots of people with the
>first DTXT simply pulled swapped the mylar heads for Roland, Pintech
>meshes, rearranged the foam layers as necessary, and never looked
>back.
>
>Ed
>

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...>
wrote:
> Probably it only touches a side aspect but nevertheless: Before I
> bought my DTXPIII I was a DTXtremeI user and I remember my problem
> with loudness on the standard heads that go with the original setup.
> So I went to a local dealer and asked for meshheads and he strongly
> recommended not to go for any other than T-Drum heads which actually
> are the ones that are distributed by Ddrum in Europe (I therefore
> assume that they are mounted on Ddrum shells).
>
> Although I realise that your hardware (shells, pads) isn´t Ddrum or
> DTXtreme, still it is about Ddrum triggers. How do you view the
> influence a certain meshhead brand could have? - If you are
interested
> to have a look at T-Drums´ website the link is www.triggerhead.com.

I'd like to think a little about what Abdulmalek has observed--that
dropouts are more likely to occur nearer to the trigger than away
from it. I'm familiar with the DTXPU's tendency to multiple triggers
with certain pads at certain settings. As for what happens with the
DT10/20 setting and mesh heads, I'm tempted to say that the DTXPU
module is too slow to read strong signals that follow each other
closely, but at a distance, when the signal envelope is shorter, it
doesn't hang up as much. But I'm not sure about that theory.

As for mesh heads, I think that ddrum had to license the ones on its
pads from triggerhead, who had an agreement with Roland. What impacts
triggering with mesh heads is not so much the brand (which varies
mainly by thickness, if at all, for the purposes of this issue) but
where the piezo is located beneath it, the nature of the foam that
intervenes, and how tightly the head is tuned. I wouldn' be surprised
if Bongo's problem was either heads that weren't tight enough or shell
interiors that tended to muffle the piezo. Lots of people with the
first DTXT simply swapped the mylar heads for Roland or Pintech
meshes, rearranged the foam layers as necessary, and never looked
back.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

The post before this one is out of order, because it's the rewritten 
version of one that I deleted to remove the typo that actually 
contradicted my point. It should go before the one about the buzz 
rolls.

Ed

Guys, finally I found the reason of the dropouts I've been suffering of. I 
muffled the head, and ..... finish. No dropouts at all guys.

I have a question: Anybody knows well about Alesis SR16? Pros and cons of 
this module?

Thanks.

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...> 
wrote:
> Guys, finally I found the reason of the dropouts I've been 
suffering of. I 
> muffled the head, and ..... finish. No dropouts at all guys.
> 
> I have a question: Anybody knows well about Alesis SR16? Pros and 
cons of 
> this module?
> 

What did you use to muffle the head, and did you change any of your 
DT10/20 settings?

I used like this one in the picture :

http://www.music123.com/Evans-Min-EMAD-Mini-Damping-System-i97711.music

I changed nothing in the settings.

>From: "emf" <liberatusvirus@...>
>Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DTXpress] Re: DTXtremeIIS & Mesh Heads.
>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:11:08 -0000
>
>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Abdulmalek Hamsho" <aa_mm_hh@h...>
>wrote:
> > Guys, finally I found the reason of the dropouts I've been
>suffering of. I
> > muffled the head, and ..... finish. No dropouts at all guys.
> >
> > I have a question: Anybody knows well about Alesis SR16? Pros and
>cons of
> > this module?
> >
>
>What did you use to muffle the head, and did you change any of your
>DT10/20 settings?
>

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