Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi Everyone:

Has anyone tried to put a "suggested list" for grouping certain instruments 
within a category under certain genres, like certain acoustic snares would 
work under Rock, some under Funk, some under Jazz, certain bass drums would 
work best under Fusions, some under Punk, some under Techno, etc.

I'm trying to put together custom kits, and I would hav downloaded some from 
the other web site, but I don't have a cable to hook up to a PC at this time 
(nor can I afford one - I have a car battery, snare stand, and a small 
medical bill to take care of right now).

I put together a very nice maple kit and kept the cymbals standard for now.

Thanks!
Stephanie

I like this idea, it could a kind of collection of everyone's 
favorite setup with the information to obtain these kits on our own 
xpress.  I am interested in your Maple setup steph, care to share? :)

-UN.H



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie <sellison-unix@a...> 
wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> Has anyone tried to put a "suggested list" for grouping certain 
instruments 
> within a category under certain genres, like certain acoustic 
snares would 
> work under Rock, some under Funk, some under Jazz, certain bass 
drums would 
> work best under Fusions, some under Punk, some under Techno, etc.
> 
> I'm trying to put together custom kits, and I would hav downloaded 
some from 
> the other web site, but I don't have a cable to hook up to a PC at 
this time 
> (nor can I afford one - I have a car battery, snare stand, and a 
small 
> medical bill to take care of right now).
> 
> I put together a very nice maple kit and kept the cymbals standard 
for now.

> 
> Thanks!
> Stephanie

On Mon July 14 2003 7:04 am, underneathheaven wrote:
>  I like this idea, it could a kind of collection of everyone's
> favorite setup with the information to obtain these kits on our own
> xpress.  I am interested in your Maple setup steph, care to share? :)

This is my Maple Kit

Kick - K/020MapleV20
Snare - S/006 - MapleA50 Tuning - 0
Tom1 - T/011 - Maple10 Tuning +3
Tom2 - T/012 - Maple12 Tuning +1
Tom3 - T/013 - Maple14 Tuning -1

You could change Tom3 to T/014 - Maple16 for a more harmonic sound among the 
toms.  The setting up there gives it a more melodic sound - at least it's 
easier for me to hear the toms separately with this setting.

I haven't gotten around to changing the cymbals from the default user kit 
settings.

Stephanie

--- Stephanie wrote:
> This is my Maple Kit
> 
> Kick - K/020MapleV20
> Snare - S/006 - MapleA50 Tuning - 0
> Tom1 - T/011 - Maple10 Tuning +3
> Tom2 - T/012 - Maple12 Tuning +1
> Tom3 - T/013 - Maple14 Tuning -1

Have you experimented with layering, and with filter cutoff (Fc) 
settings? You should. I have some very satisfactory sounds with 
MapleXX toms layered with Room1 toms. The Maple gives a warmth and 
resonance, while the Room toms add just the right touch of "bite" in 
the attack. My kick, snare, hats and (some) cymbals are also layered.

Will try to document some of my kits.

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
>
> I have some very satisfactory sounds with 
> MapleXX toms layered with Room1 toms. The Maple gives a warmth and 
> resonance, while the Room toms add just the right touch of "bite" 
in 
> the attack.

That's one the combinations I've been experimenting with and I think 
I'm almost happy.  I'm crossfading (X Fade=1) between the two sounds 
rather than having the 2 layered together into one.  Getting the 
decay settings just right is what I'm currently working on.  I 
haven't fiddled with filter cutoff yet either so there's plenty more 
dabbling fun to be had.

--- prog_uk wrote:
> > MapleXX toms layered with Room1 toms
> I'm crossfading (X Fade=1) between the two sounds 
> rather than having the 2 layered together into one.

I haven't cross-faded, as I've never found that entirely 
satisfactory. The volume of the Room1 layer is reduced quite a bit 
(LayerBalance=-12) compared to the Maple, and I've taken the top 
edge off by using filter cutoff (Fc=-8). I also have the reverb send 
quite high on the toms (115). Finally, I "de-tuned" the hi tom (C=-
2) - it was a bit too "pingy" for just a four-tom setup.

Stewart

> Have you experimented with layering, and with filter cutoff (Fc)
> settings? You should. I have some very satisfactory sounds with
> MapleXX toms layered with Room1 toms. The Maple gives a warmth and
> resonance, while the Room toms add just the right touch of "bite" in
> the attack. My kick, snare, hats and (some) cymbals are also layered.

I've played around a little bit with layering, in that I added a 2head bass 
drum as the second layer for the  K/020MapleV20 kick, because I wasn't 
getting quite enough "oomp!" out of it.

Now, the Fc function is a little hard for me to work with, because I only hear 
it when it's very obvious, like around -32 or +32 values.  I did find that I 
was able to get more brightness out of the snare strings on the snare drum so 
that I could hear it better.  Otherwise, it sounded like I was playing on a 
snare with the snares in the down position.  I think this is something the 
band would have to help me adjust according to their taste.

I also had to change the snare to S/108 RockM to get the snare bite and volume 
I was looking for.

Stephanie

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie <sellison-unix@a...> 
wrote:
> Now, the Fc function is a little hard for me to work with, because 
I only hear 
> it when it's very obvious, like around -32 or +32 values.  

Hey Steph,

Have you tried programming the module wearing a sensitive set of 
cans, channeled through a good dedicated headphone amp, at an 
elevated volume? Or is your hearing loss more band-width related?

Ed

> Have you tried programming the module wearing a sensitive set of
> cans, channeled through a good dedicated headphone amp, at an
> elevated volume? Or is your hearing loss more band-width related?

It's bandwidth-related.  I hear up to about 6 KHz, then the sound drops off to 
nothing.  It's the limits of the hearing aids.  No matter what I use, it's 
going to sound the same to some extent if it goes through the hearing aids 
first (through air or wires).  I use a stereo cord that runs output directly 
from the headphone jack on a soundcard to my hearing aids, which is much 
better than headphones, actually, because of how the headsets tend to not be 
designed for a tiny microphone positioned above the ear (hearing aid).  This 
is essentially a $2,200 pair of headsets, if you look at it this way.  ;-) 
Anyway, I don't understand what sounds are like above this point.  I don't 
know what something at 10KHz sounds like (I've never really heard it, so I 
don't have a concept of sounds above this point).

One possibility would be to design an isolating room with speakers capable of 
producing a minimum of 123 db across the entire frequency band at any point 
in the room.  Then I can adjust downward the frequency spikes and pull up the 
frequency holes I have trouble with.

Stephanie

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie <sellison-unix@a...> 
wrote:
> One possibility would be to design an isolating room with speakers 
capable of 
> producing a minimum of 123 db across the entire frequency band at 
any point 
> in the room.  Then I can adjust downward the frequency spikes and 
pull up the 
> frequency holes I have trouble with.

Probably not worth the money, or the risk of further hearing loss--
unless you're thinking of adding an anechoic chamber or recording 
studio to your home, anyway. I suppose you could get a sense of what 
you may be missing in the higher frequencies by finding a way to 
manipulate harmonic overtones in the range that's audible to you, 
but you've probably gathered that kind of knowledge in the normal 
course of events. In any event, you're hanging out with the right 
crowd--drummers who've been going at it for many years, losing their 
higher frequencies all while both through the ravages of age and 
abuse.