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Saw Something Really Cool Lastnight!!

Saw Something Really Cool Lastnight!!

2003-06-14 by Jade

Guys,
Last night I saw the Dixie Chicks and they had Joan Osborne with 
them as opening act...the Chicks were AWESOME by the way, don't let 
anyone fool ya-they kick butt as musicians...DESPITE all the 
contraversy!!  Anyway...here's what Joan Osborn's drummer had for 
his acoustic set up (dw kit)...he had 2 cymbal mounted 
TOGETHER...looked like he had an 18 inch Zildjian ride (hand 
hammered), and UNDER it mounted UPSIDEDOWN (and no...it was NOT a hi-
hat) was what looked like a 14 inch crash cymbal-he used this 
particular set-up for his ride....then he had ANOTHER IDENTICAL set 
up for his crash/ride...it looked like a 14 in or 16 inch normal 
mounted cymbal with a 6 or maybe 8 inch SPLASH cymbal mounted UPSIDE 
DOWN in the same fashion as a HH...THEN....it gets wilder...he had 
what  I would say was a 24 inch bass drum and ATTACHED TO THAT 
SITTING IN FRONT OF THE regular bass drum was a SKINNY(what looked 
like a marching band bass drum)...there was NO pedal attached to the 
skinny bass drum, it just sat there and you could see it was 
functional coz you could see it absorbing his kicks-I couldn't tell 
if it had any head on the side mounted up to the 24 inch bass, only 
the regular 24 inch bass had a kick pedal.....the sound was what I 
would call deep, and yes...you could use the word LAYERED on all of 
these 3 wierd mountings....my question is this....Have any of you 
guys seen this kind of set up and what IS its purpose?  I am really 
anxious to find out.
Jade

Re: Saw Something Really Cool Lastnight!!

2003-06-14 by Herondrums

Jade,

I have seen the stuff you're talking about. DW makes an smaller bass 
shell they call a woofer, it goes in front of your existing bass and 
is supposed to enhance the sound. The only cymbal set ups I've seen 
that you describe..sabian puts out a line of Mike Portnoy cymbals 
called the max stax, they stack two cymbals on top of each other for 
a crunchy effect. Kind of a high end ribbon crasher. Of course you 
could do this with any brand cymbal, the stax are usually a crash 
with a smaller china on top.  I have no idea of the ride you're 
describing though...certainly sounds interesting...wouldn't the ride 
sound be completely muted? Hmmm.

Raven
 --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jade" <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> Guys,
> Last night I saw the Dixie Chicks and they had Joan Osborne with 
> them as opening act...the Chicks were AWESOME by the way, don't let 
> anyone fool ya-they kick butt as musicians...DESPITE all the 
> contraversy!!  Anyway...here's what Joan Osborn's drummer had for 
> his acoustic set up (dw kit)...he had 2 cymbal mounted 
> TOGETHER...looked like he had an 18 inch Zildjian ride (hand 
> hammered), and UNDER it mounted UPSIDEDOWN (and no...it was NOT a 
hi-
> hat) was what looked like a 14 inch crash cymbal-he used this 
> particular set-up for his ride....then he had ANOTHER IDENTICAL set 
> up for his crash/ride...it looked like a 14 in or 16 inch normal 
> mounted cymbal with a 6 or maybe 8 inch SPLASH cymbal mounted 
UPSIDE 
> DOWN in the same fashion as a HH...THEN....it gets wilder...he had 
> what  I would say was a 24 inch bass drum and ATTACHED TO THAT 
> SITTING IN FRONT OF THE regular bass drum was a SKINNY(what looked 
> like a marching band bass drum)...there was NO pedal attached to 
the 
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> skinny bass drum, it just sat there and you could see it was 
> functional coz you could see it absorbing his kicks-I couldn't tell 
> if it had any head on the side mounted up to the 24 inch bass, only 
> the regular 24 inch bass had a kick pedal.....the sound was what I 
> would call deep, and yes...you could use the word LAYERED on all of 
> these 3 wierd mountings....my question is this....Have any of you 
> guys seen this kind of set up and what IS its purpose?  I am really 
> anxious to find out.
> Jade

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Saw Something Really Cool Lastnight!!

2003-06-14 by Jade

They were all Zildjians I could see the logo...the
cymbals sounded great...but I must say, the bass
guitar was very over powering to the point (from where
I was sitting) that it drowned out the harmony vocals
and distorted the low end woofers, but when I could
hear the cymbals, they were nice and crisp...the
hand-hammered cymbal looked like it had some of the
edges cut off...they looked flat instead of round,
just a small section of the edging was shaved
off...wasn't a perfectly found cymbal (it was the top
mounted ride I am speaking of)
Jade
--- Herondrums <herondrums@...> wrote:
> Jade,
> 
> I have seen the stuff you're talking about. DW makes
> an smaller bass 
> shell they call a woofer, it goes in front of your
> existing bass and 
> is supposed to enhance the sound. The only cymbal
> set ups I've seen 
> that you describe..sabian puts out a line of Mike
> Portnoy cymbals 
> called the max stax, they stack two cymbals on top
> of each other for 
> a crunchy effect. Kind of a high end ribbon crasher.
> Of course you 
> could do this with any brand cymbal, the stax are
> usually a crash 
> with a smaller china on top.  I have no idea of the
> ride you're 
> describing though...certainly sounds
> interesting...wouldn't the ride 
> sound be completely muted? Hmmm.
> 
> Raven
>  --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Jade"
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > Guys,
> > Last night I saw the Dixie Chicks and they had
> Joan Osborne with 
> > them as opening act...the Chicks were AWESOME by
> the way, don't let 
> > anyone fool ya-they kick butt as
> musicians...DESPITE all the 
> > contraversy!!  Anyway...here's what Joan Osborn's
> drummer had for 
> > his acoustic set up (dw kit)...he had 2 cymbal
> mounted 
> > TOGETHER...looked like he had an 18 inch Zildjian
> ride (hand 
> > hammered), and UNDER it mounted UPSIDEDOWN (and
> no...it was NOT a 
> hi-
> > hat) was what looked like a 14 inch crash
> cymbal-he used this 
> > particular set-up for his ride....then he had
> ANOTHER IDENTICAL set 
> > up for his crash/ride...it looked like a 14 in or
> 16 inch normal 
> > mounted cymbal with a 6 or maybe 8 inch SPLASH
> cymbal mounted 
> UPSIDE 
> > DOWN in the same fashion as a HH...THEN....it gets
> wilder...he had 
> > what  I would say was a 24 inch bass drum and
> ATTACHED TO THAT 
> > SITTING IN FRONT OF THE regular bass drum was a
> SKINNY(what looked 
> > like a marching band bass drum)...there was NO
> pedal attached to 
> the 
> > skinny bass drum, it just sat there and you could
> see it was 
> > functional coz you could see it absorbing his
> kicks-I couldn't tell 
> > if it had any head on the side mounted up to the
> 24 inch bass, only 
> > the regular 24 inch bass had a kick pedal.....the
> sound was what I 
> > would call deep, and yes...you could use the word
> LAYERED on all of 
> > these 3 wierd mountings....my question is
> this....Have any of you 
> > guys seen this kind of set up and what IS its
> purpose?  I am really 
> > anxious to find out.
> > Jade
> 
> 


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Re: Saw Something Really Cool Lastnight!!

2003-06-14 by moosetication

--- "Jade" wrote:
> ...he had 2 cymbal mounted 
> TOGETHER...SITTING IN FRONT OF THE regular bass drum
> was a SKINNY...

Yeah, quite a few people are using cymbal stacks and a few use 
woofers (the skinny thing) now. An extreme example of both would be 
Terry Bozzio (check out the videos and the kit layout section on his 
site, www.terrybozzio.com, for the amazing "orchestral" kit he 
uses). Dave Weckl and Mike Portnoy both use cymbal stacks.

I love 'em. One day I intend to see if I can come up with a 
reasonable facsimile of a two-deep stack, using stereo cymbals 
with "rim to pad" set to "on" and different crashes on rim and bow. 
And we can simulate the "woofer" with a layered kick sound too.

-- S

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