Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi folks from Italy!
I own a Dtxpress II since last tuesday, and I'm trying
to understand how it works, and tuning its sounds to
have my own drumset for using in my concerts..
Just two questions: 
1)I noticed that I have some problems on two zone
pads:for the snare, if I hit it hard, sometimes I can
hear a rimshot..this is because the pad is very small,
and the stick hits the rim... can I modify something,
so that the rimshot sound is heared *ONLY* if I hit
the pad under a certain power, and a normal snare
sound is produced if I hit it hard? (sorry for my
english!!)
2)With my acustic cymbals, I'm used to finish lots of
songs hitting crash cymbals quickly and repeatedly
(with a "shhhhhhhhhhhh" sound)..it seems this it's
IMPOSSIBLE with PCY cymbals, because for every stroke
I can hear the BEGINNING of the stroke,and the final
sound is absolutely unrealistic! Is there a solution
for this? I know, there is a MIDI note which
riproduces just what I want, but I'd love to get it
without changing anything in the drumset..
Thanks,
Gianluca(Italy)

Hi Gianluca,

Nice to hear from you, and your English is flawless. From what I 
recall, the trigger menu in the DTXpress doesn't distinguish between 
pad and rim; you can't set them at different levels for separation. 
Since you seem to be hitting both when you hit hard, technique might 
be the answer. The law of diminishing returns applies with e-drums; 
after a point, increasing force does not pay dividends. You can 
verify my point by checking the numerical velocity reading on the 
gain/min. velocity page in the trigger menu when you hit a pad. You 
can peak at 99 far short of using your full strength. My suggestion 
would be to adjust your gain either downward to keep your hard hits 
from making incidental rim noise or upward so that you can hit more 
softly with more precision (that is, not striking the rim at the 
same time). You might also raise the min. velocity so that lighter 
hits won't trigger the rim so easily. (If you were having the 
opposite problem--triggering the pad when you hit the rim--I'd first 
recommend disabling the rim to pad feature in the voice menu, if it 
were activated.)

I know what you mean about the Yamaha cymbals, but unless I'm much 
mistaken, MIDI adjustment won't help. You can try to alter the gate 
time of the cymbals in the voice menu, but I think the result, at 
best, will be to change the stopping and starting points of the 
sound, not to give you the continous cymbal wash that you're looking 
for. By the same token, if you disable key off, you might just get a 
cymbal that won't stop sounding at all--again, not a crescendo 
flourish. By lengthening the decay (lowering the level below 0), you 
might be able to diminish the rapid fire effect a bit; it's worth a 
try. Not all e-cymbals behave like the Yamahas in this respect, even 
at the default settings. But maybe other group members will have 
ideas about what to do.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:

> Hi folks from Italy!
> I own a Dtxpress II since last tuesday, and I'm trying
> to understand how it works, and tuning its sounds to
> have my own drumset for using in my concerts..
> Just two questions: 
> 1)I noticed that I have some problems on two zone
> pads:for the snare, if I hit it hard, sometimes I can
> hear a rimshot..this is because the pad is very small,
> and the stick hits the rim... can I modify something,
> so that the rimshot sound is heared *ONLY* if I hit
> the pad under a certain power, and a normal snare
> sound is produced if I hit it hard? (sorry for my
> english!!)
> 2)With my acustic cymbals, I'm used to finish lots of
> songs hitting crash cymbals quickly and repeatedly
> (with a "shhhhhhhhhhhh" sound)..it seems this it's
> IMPOSSIBLE with PCY cymbals, because for every stroke
> I can hear the BEGINNING of the stroke,and the final
> sound is absolutely unrealistic! Is there a solution
> for this? I know, there is a MIDI note which
> riproduces just what I want, but I'd love to get it
> without changing anything in the drumset..
> Thanks,
> Gianluca(Italy)

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Gianluca,
> 
> Nice to hear from you, and your English is flawless. From what I 
> recall, the trigger menu in the DTXpress doesn't distinguish 
between 
> pad and rim; you can't set them at different levels for separation. 
> Since you seem to be hitting both when you hit hard, technique 
might 
> be the answer. The law of diminishing returns applies with e-drums; 
> after a point, increasing force does not pay dividends. You can 

Hi!
Thanks for your answer!
I think the main problem is that the external rim dedicated to 
rimshot sound is too wide, so it's relatively easy to hit..perhaps, 
if only a quarter of the pad were used for that sound, it would be 
better..at least for the kind of music I do (soul and 70's disco)..
Perhaps a solution would it be disabling the rimshot sound and using 
the whole snare pad for one sound only..*AND* I could create another 
drum set which is similar to this one, apart from the snare sound, 
which could be a rimshot even if I hit the center of the pad..
This is useful only if the part with rimshot is a well defined part 
of the song (in my case "PROUD MARY":the beginning is very slow, and 
I use the rimshot;then, after a small pause, (I change drumset and) 
the song resumes,but tempo is fast and I use snare sound as usual..

As for as the cymbals problem..I see that the only solution is using 
an acustic cymbal..it's a pity,because I hoped Yamaha simulated 
cymbals in every aspect..the choke itself sometimes starts if I just 
hit the edge with my stick..ok,ok, I have to play knowing what I'm 
playing..but I don't like the fact that I must modify my way of 
playing because of the instrument changing..:-(

A friend of mine just lent me an Alesis DM5 drum module too.I'm 
wondering if I can use it in my drumset someway...

Wow, I said too many things :-)
Bye Gianluca

Gianluca,

Creating a second kit with a new snare may be the best idea with the 
Yamaha pads. I don't know what range of products you have in Italy, 
but a dual-zone snare, with separate piezos for rim and body, would 
also be a good solution; in addition to being bigger, a dual-zone 
pad's two triggers have completely independent settings. We have a 
few alternatives in the States. We also probably have access to more 
e-cymbals than you do. I can roll on my Visu-lite cymbals, for 
example, and create just the effect that you're trying to get on the 
Yamahas. Keep in touch with us; maybe we can help get you what you 
need. Acoustic cymbals would certainly make it inconvenient for you 
to play with headphones.

One way to use the DM5 would be as a second module to expand the 
Yamaha kit. You could run new pads and cymbals through it and into a 
mixer, which would also accept the DTX module with its pads. The DM5 
is less versatile than the DTX--no stereo inputs, less parameter 
control, and nonvariable hi hat--but some of its sounds are great, 
especially in a secondary role. If you used the DM5 that way, maybe 
you could add a second gum-rubber snare with a rim sound only and 
use it with your current Yamaha kit, avoiding the need to create 
another kit.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Gianluca,
> > 
> > Nice to hear from you, and your English is flawless. From what I 
> > recall, the trigger menu in the DTXpress doesn't distinguish 
> between 
> > pad and rim; you can't set them at different levels for 
separation. 
> > Since you seem to be hitting both when you hit hard, technique 
> might 
> > be the answer. The law of diminishing returns applies with e-
drums; 
> > after a point, increasing force does not pay dividends. You can 
> 
> Hi!
> Thanks for your answer!
> I think the main problem is that the external rim dedicated to 
> rimshot sound is too wide, so it's relatively easy to 
hit..perhaps, 
> if only a quarter of the pad were used for that sound, it would be 
> better..at least for the kind of music I do (soul and 70's disco)..
> Perhaps a solution would it be disabling the rimshot sound and 
using 
> the whole snare pad for one sound only..*AND* I could create 
another 
> drum set which is similar to this one, apart from the snare sound, 
> which could be a rimshot even if I hit the center of the pad..
> This is useful only if the part with rimshot is a well defined 
part 
> of the song (in my case "PROUD MARY":the beginning is very slow, 
and 
> I use the rimshot;then, after a small pause, (I change drumset 
and) 
> the song resumes,but tempo is fast and I use snare sound as usual..
> 
> As for as the cymbals problem..I see that the only solution is 
using 
> an acustic cymbal..it's a pity,because I hoped Yamaha simulated 
> cymbals in every aspect..the choke itself sometimes starts if I 
just 

> hit the edge with my stick..ok,ok, I have to play knowing what I'm 
> playing..but I don't like the fact that I must modify my way of 
> playing because of the instrument changing..:-(
> 
> A friend of mine just lent me an Alesis DM5 drum module too.I'm 
> wondering if I can use it in my drumset someway...
> 
> Wow, I said too many things :-)
> Bye Gianluca

A simple solution for undesired rimshot might be to rotate the pad toward
you slightly. If the rimshot problem is not cross-talk based (i.e. caused
by hitting the main pad so hard it is "slopping over" to the the rimshot
trigger) but instead is caused by your stick barely touching the raised
rim on occasion.

This might be solved by *slightly* rotating the snare pad towards you.
This drops the rim-shot trigger down a bit making it harder to
*accidentally* hit. I had to do this initially since I was used to a
snare that is slightly angled towards me and the Yamaha kit I setup with
the snare pad flat.

Also, advice from many here is to try and alter your playing style
somewhat to save the wear and tear on your *body*. With an electric kit,
you do not need to hit the pads very hard to get the sound of a very loud
hit on an acoustic drum. It is usually best to get some very light sticks
and to hit the pads with just enough force to be accurate but not so much
force that you could damage your wrists or other joints. Gum rubber pads
do not deflect as far when hit and you can get fatigue from playing and
damage your wrists, elbows etc. if you play extended sets at high
velocity, not to mention the wear on the pads themselves. I know when a
song is really jammin I tend to start hitting with more enthusiasm, but I
have to remind myself to calm down and I find that I can hit softer,
still get the "big boom sound" and increase my accuracy at the same
time... :)

Vern

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ppadana said:

> Hi folks from Italy!
> I own a Dtxpress II since last tuesday, and I'm trying
> to understand how it works, and tuning its sounds to
> have my own drumset for using in my concerts..
> Just two questions:
> 1)I noticed that I have some problems on two zone
> pads:for the snare, if I hit it hard, sometimes I can
> hear a rimshot..this is because the pad is very small,
> and the stick hits the rim... can I modify something,
> so that the rimshot sound is heared *ONLY* if I hit
> the pad under a certain power, and a normal snare
> sound is produced if I hit it hard? (sorry for my
> english!!)
> 2)With my acustic cymbals, I'm used to finish lots of
> songs hitting crash cymbals quickly and repeatedly
> (with a "shhhhhhhhhhhh" sound)..it seems this it's
> IMPOSSIBLE with PCY cymbals, because for every stroke
> I can hear the BEGINNING of the stroke,and the final
> sound is absolutely unrealistic! Is there a solution
> for this? I know, there is a MIDI note which
> riproduces just what I want, but I'd love to get it
> without changing anything in the drumset..
> Thanks,
> Gianluca(Italy)
>
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Hey ppadana!  Just got a kit last week eh?  Awesome!  I too feel 
your pain with the electronic cymbals but its the price we pay to 
have such a fun drum set in our hands.  Electronic cymbals are never 
going to behave like an acoustic cymbal, they can, however, come 
close.  The good thing about electronic gear is that its 
interchangable and you can other companies stuff on Yamaha stuff and 
vice versa (Like Ed's visu-lite stuff.)  There other cymbals by 
Roland too.  Ask the other members about these other cymbals.  I 
myself stick with pure yamaha stuff even though I should prolly try 
someone else sometime.  

I wanted to suggest a cymbal you mess around with to see if you like 
the way it plays and sounds than the other cymbal voices.  The 
number is C005 and its called "Crash B E"  To make this cymbal work 
better I lengthened the decay (this is a must for most of the 
cymbals in my opinion.)  I can almost do a roll with cymbal set up 
and it sounds better than most when performing all the crashes at 
the end of the song, or during the climax.  I don't know, try it out 
and try the roll too.  Its not perfect and it might sound better 
with other insturments surrounding its sound.  Let us know!!

-UN.H  


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:

> Hi folks from Italy!
> I own a Dtxpress II since last tuesday, and I'm trying
> to understand how it works, and tuning its sounds to
> have my own drumset for using in my concerts..
> Just two questions: 
> 1)I noticed that I have some problems on two zone
> pads:for the snare, if I hit it hard, sometimes I can
> hear a rimshot..this is because the pad is very small,
> and the stick hits the rim... can I modify something,
> so that the rimshot sound is heared *ONLY* if I hit
> the pad under a certain power, and a normal snare
> sound is produced if I hit it hard? (sorry for my
> english!!)
> 2)With my acustic cymbals, I'm used to finish lots of
> songs hitting crash cymbals quickly and repeatedly
> (with a "shhhhhhhhhhhh" sound)..it seems this it's
> IMPOSSIBLE with PCY cymbals, because for every stroke
> I can hear the BEGINNING of the stroke,and the final
> sound is absolutely unrealistic! Is there a solution
> for this? I know, there is a MIDI note which
> riproduces just what I want, but I'd love to get it
> without changing anything in the drumset..
> Thanks,
> Gianluca(Italy)

> With my acustic cymbals, I'm used to finish lots of
> songs hitting crash cymbals quickly and repeatedly
> (with a "shhhhhhhhhhhh" sound)..it seems this it's
> IMPOSSIBLE with PCY cymbals...

There seems to be a "soft roll" crash sound in there, which more or 
less does that ... but with only one strike of the cymbal, and it's 
a bit cheesy.

Picked up my DTXP2 today too... yeehah!

Stewart (who has lost all track of time)

Hi all again!
First of all..thanks a lot..it's awesome to find such a group..I feel 
free to ask and you know what I'm talking about: you all have a 
DTXpress...
Do you all come from USA? Well,in such a critical historical period, 
with tensions between USA and Europe,I'm glad to have this connection 
with you...ok, stop politics,let's talk about music :-)
First of all..surely in Italy we don't have that wideness in choice 
you can have in the States.. I mean: we play japanese or american 
instruments,but they all come here by importation, so they are more 
expensive and only the best things reach our market- but our local 
dealer can order from USA, if we have special requests.. I'm not so 
expert, I knew Ddrums,Roland and those brands,but I never heard about 
visu-lite cymbals, except in these days, when I read *EVERYTHING* in 
the net regarding electronic drums..
The problem is that if I find something interesting in an USA 
Internet store..well,I must pay importation taxes,so the purchase is 
not worthwhile anymore :-( Anyway..can you tell me some (relatively 
cheap) cymbal model I could look for?
I would have some other questions to ask..but I dont' want to be 
heavy for this group..so if someone is available to answer me by e-
mail..well, I'm ready to ask! :-)
The first thing I'd like to talk about is the join between DTXpress 
and Alesis DM5..wow, after some pitch regulations I heard a DM5 snare 
sound which is soooo similar to my steel Rogers snare *I LOVE IT-I 
WANT IT!!*..I have a midi cable to connect both drum modules..for 
example I'd love to use DM5 snare,Dm5 snares seem better than DTX 
ones, but I prefer Yamaha's toms, bass drum and cymbals..please, 
someone can tell me *step by step* how could I do?!? (I know, I have 
a manual..but my next concert date is veeeery close, and in this 
period I've a little time to dedicate to my hobby..)
Thanks,
Gianluca

Gianluca,

Don't hesitate to ask this group any questions that you have--even 
if you have questions for a particular person. The cymbal situation 
in Europe is unfortunate. In the USA, we have a few cottage 
industries dedicated to electronic percussion that make wonderful 
products--Pintech, Visu-lite, and Hart, for example--and they are 
sometimes responsive to our direct needs. Occasionally, their 
products show up at used prices here; maybe as imports, one of them 
might be affordable for you. We can keep talking about it.

As far as the international companies are concerned, you already 
know about Yamaha's products. Roland's can be very good, but so 
overpriced that buying them can seem like paying a luxury or a duty 
tax. The least expensive Roland cymbal is the stereo CY-6, which is 
a gum-rubber round cymbal, 12 inches long. I've used it. Though I 
wasn't thrilled with it through Yamaha electronics, it was 
servicable. The feel wasn't bad, and roundness is important to me. I 
think that the Pintech cymbals are available in Europe, even if only 
by special request. The Pintech Zenbal is a 14 inch round, rubber 
cymbal that many members of this group have come to love. It comes 
in a mono version or a stereo version, like the Yamahas, and, inch 
for inch, is less expensive than Roland--at least here. If you can 
get your hands on one of these models in a store, you could 
experiment with it. We are fairly confident that Yamaha will be 
releasing new components by the end of the summer. If you can hold 
out that long, you might be able to get what you need--but that's a 
gamble. Not all cymbals seem to support the effect that you're 
missing; you have to try them to find out. Simply stated, ddrum 
makes remarkable equipment, but very expensive. Nor would I think 
that cymbals are their strongest suit. Maybe you should find out 
what your store can get, and then ask us about the product. One of 
us should be able to help.

If you're going to integrate the DM5, don't do it with MIDI 
connections. Ideally, what you should have is a separate electronic 
device called a mixer. A mixer has inputs that accept instruments, 
microphones, etc., usually through 1/4 inch phono jacks, so that 
they can run together through one amplification system (or headphone 
output from the mixer). It allows all of the instruments connected 
to it to be balanced (mixed) and sometimes further processed. For 
your purposes (collecting the outputs of two drum modules), the 
mixer need not be expensive or complicated. We have good ones here 
for $100 or less. Roland and Yamaha make their own models; maybe 
your store will have a deal. Ask us about any brands that aren't 
familiar to you. Be simple.

The DTX module has a crude mixer built into it; you may be able to 
use it if you're in a pinch. The 1/8" auxiliary input on the front 
panel of the module is intended mainly for connecting a CD or MP3 
player so that you can mix its output, using the volume knob beside 
the input, with the sounds of the module to play along. You could 
connect the Alesis through it and mix its sounds with that of the 
DTX and listen through headphones or amp. The results may not be 
perfect, but they may be all right until you find the right external 
mixer. If you mix that way, you'll need a stereo 1/4" adaptor to 
connect.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> Hi all again!
> First of all..thanks a lot..it's awesome to find such a group..I 
feel 
> free to ask and you know what I'm talking about: you all have a 
> DTXpress...
> Do you all come from USA? Well,in such a critical historical 
period, 
> with tensions between USA and Europe,I'm glad to have this 
connection 
> with you...ok, stop politics,let's talk about music :-)
> First of all..surely in Italy we don't have that wideness in 
choice 
> you can have in the States.. I mean: we play japanese or american 
> instruments,but they all come here by importation, so they are 
more 
> expensive and only the best things reach our market- but our local 
> dealer can order from USA, if we have special requests.. I'm not 
so 
> expert, I knew Ddrums,Roland and those brands,but I never heard 
about 
> visu-lite cymbals, except in these days, when I read *EVERYTHING* 
in 
> the net regarding electronic drums..
> The problem is that if I find something interesting in an USA 
> Internet store..well,I must pay importation taxes,so the purchase 
is 
> not worthwhile anymore :-( Anyway..can you tell me some 
(relatively 
> cheap) cymbal model I could look for?
> I would have some other questions to ask..but I dont' want to be 
> heavy for this group..so if someone is available to answer me by e-
> mail..well, I'm ready to ask! :-)
> The first thing I'd like to talk about is the join between 
DTXpress 
> and Alesis DM5..wow, after some pitch regulations I heard a DM5 
snare 
> sound which is soooo similar to my steel Rogers snare *I LOVE IT-I 
> WANT IT!!*..I have a midi cable to connect both drum modules..for 
> example I'd love to use DM5 snare,Dm5 snares seem better than DTX 
> ones, but I prefer Yamaha's toms, bass drum and cymbals..please, 
> someone can tell me *step by step* how could I do?!? (I know, I 
have 

> a manual..but my next concert date is veeeery close, and in this 
> period I've a little time to dedicate to my hobby..)
> Thanks,
> Gianluca

> The DTX module has a crude mixer built into it; you may be able to 
> use it if you're in a pinch. The 1/8" auxiliary input on the front 
> panel of the module is intended mainly for connecting a CD or MP3 
> player so that you can mix its output, using the volume knob beside 
> the input, with the sounds of the module to play along. You could 
> connect the Alesis through it and mix its sounds with that of the 
> DTX and listen through headphones or amp. The results may not be 
> perfect, but they may be all right until you find the right 
external 
> mixer. If you mix that way, you'll need a stereo 1/4" adaptor to 
> connect.


First of all: I think I was wrong calling "rimshot sound" the sound I 
tried to avoid while I play ...I think its real name is "cross stick 
sound" !!(http://www.drumcentral.com/electronic_drum_sets_18.htm)
For this misunderstanding, all the tips you gave me for help are 
useless..so gimme them again :-P

You say "connecting the DM5 to DTXpress AUX input":it seems 
interesting, as a beginning..
So..let's suppose I have the adapter: I connect both DM5's outputs to 
Yamaha's aux input, and my snarepad output jack to DM5 input...AND 
THEN?!?
Can you tell me (step by step,of course..) what I should select in 
dtxpress module to be able, at last, to hear in my headphones:
- snare and 3rd homemade cymbal connected to DM5;
- all other pads connected to DTXpress.
Wow, I'm exciting!!!If you say this is possible with an accettable 
quality (I must only play live, and not record anything, at the 
moment),I think I'm approaching to what I looked for!!!
Thanks,
Gianluca

Gianluca,

I'll let Vern or someone else tackle the misunderstanding about 
avoiding the cross stick on the TP65S snare since I don't own one. 
But if the Alesis has a cross stick sound, you could remove cross 
stick entirely from the Yamaha snare and connect a new trigger (not 
necessarily a TP, maybe a BP) to the Alesis and program it with that 
sound for use as needed.

Snare/cymbal output goes to input(s) on DM5; output of DM5 goes to 
aux input on front panel of DTX, adjusted to blend with sound on DTX 
via the control on front panel of DTX. Fini. You can listen to the 
mix either through the headphone jack on the DTX or through an 
external amplifier connected to the back of the DTX. You don't do 
anything within the DTX module to alter the sounds that come from 
the DM5. The only control on the DTX that affects what originates on 
the DM5 is the rotary volume knob on the front panel. Volume for the 
resulting mix of the two modules can be controlled by turning the 
power knob next to the headphone jack.

Whether this strategy is acceptable remains to be seen. But it is 
certainly a start. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ppadana" <ppadana@y...> wrote:
> > The DTX module has a crude mixer built into it; you may be able 
to 
> > use it if you're in a pinch. The 1/8" auxiliary input on the 
front 
> > panel of the module is intended mainly for connecting a CD or 
MP3 
> > player so that you can mix its output, using the volume knob 
beside 
> > the input, with the sounds of the module to play along. You 
could 
> > connect the Alesis through it and mix its sounds with that of 
the 
> > DTX and listen through headphones or amp. The results may not be 
> > perfect, but they may be all right until you find the right 
> external 
> > mixer. If you mix that way, you'll need a stereo 1/4" adaptor to 
> > connect.
> 
> 
> First of all: I think I was wrong calling "rimshot sound" the 
sound I 
> tried to avoid while I play ...I think its real name is "cross 
stick 
> sound" !!(http://www.drumcentral.com/electronic_drum_sets_18.htm)
> For this misunderstanding, all the tips you gave me for help are 
> useless..so gimme them again :-P
> 
> You say "connecting the DM5 to DTXpress AUX input":it seems 
> interesting, as a beginning..
> So..let's suppose I have the adapter: I connect both DM5's outputs 
to 

> Yamaha's aux input, and my snarepad output jack to DM5 input...AND 
> THEN?!?
> Can you tell me (step by step,of course..) what I should select in 
> dtxpress module to be able, at last, to hear in my headphones:
> - snare and 3rd homemade cymbal connected to DM5;
> - all other pads connected to DTXpress.
> Wow, I'm exciting!!!If you say this is possible with an accettable 
> quality (I must only play live, and not record anything, at the 
> moment),I think I'm approaching to what I looked for!!!
> Thanks,
> Gianluca

--- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> I think that the Pintech cymbals are available in Europe,
> even if only by special request.

Not even special request. Go to www.edrumnet.net, which is 
Pintech's "international" outlet.

Stewart