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pintech DIY

pintech DIY

2005-05-07 by epvk_jahoe

Hi all, 

I've gotten myself into something interesting. I bought 3 2nd hand pintech CC pads on 
eBay (for the small price of $197 including shipping to Europe) (acually the package also 
had a Duaz pad, but I don't think I'll use it). One of the three pads is a 'bass drum pad', but 
I'll disassemble it to use as tom pad, because the KP65 is working very well. Of course, the 
trade-off for the price was the state of the pads. Someone (previous owner?) has been 
really messing around with the pads in a quick-and-dirty way. The best thing is to replace 
all the foam. However, since all three pads had different foam-rubber-plastic-head 
configurations, I don't know what it should be like! The question is whether someone 
somewhere did the same sort of dissection of the pads as OGD did for the Yamaha pads. 
Does anyone know where to find it on the web, or does anyone know what the right 
combination (including layer thicknes, best kind of foam) should be? I've also been looking 
on the Pintech groups, but couldn't find anything. If all else fails, I'll buy a new one to find 
out. 

Another point is how to assemble it to the Yamaha rack. I can figure out something, but if 
anyone has experience it will help. 

Final point is the potmeter that Ed has been mentioning for using Pintech pads with the 
DTXPress brain. What are the specs of such a pot and where do I need to solder it. (Ed?)

I guess I won't have much time for drumming!

Thanks very much. 

Erik Paul

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-08 by Ernie Vega

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I've gotten myself into something interesting. I bought 3 2nd hand
pintech CC pads on 
> eBay (for the small price of $197 including shipping to Europe)
(acually the package also 
> had a Duaz pad, but I don't think I'll use it). One of the three
pads is a 'bass drum pad', but 
> I'll disassemble it to use as tom pad, because the KP65 is working
very well. Of course, the 
> trade-off for the price was the state of the pads. Someone (previous
owner?) has been 
> really messing around with the pads in a quick-and-dirty way. The
best thing is to replace 
> all the foam. However, since all three pads had different
foam-rubber-plastic-head 
> configurations, I don't know what it should be like! The question is
whether someone 
> somewhere did the same sort of dissection of the pads as OGD did for
the Yamaha pads. 
> Does anyone know where to find it on the web, or does anyone know
what the right 
> combination (including layer thicknes, best kind of foam) should be?
I've also been looking 
> on the Pintech groups, but couldn't find anything. If all else
fails, I'll buy a new one to find 
> out. 
> 
> Another point is how to assemble it to the Yamaha rack. I can figure
out something, but if 
> anyone has experience it will help. 
> 
> Final point is the potmeter that Ed has been mentioning for using
Pintech pads with the 
> DTXPress brain. What are the specs of such a pot and where do I need
to solder it. (Ed?)
> 
> I guess I won't have much time for drumming!
> 
> Thanks very much. 
> 
> Erik Paul

Well, im not sure what to tell you about the pads, but the rack
assembly instructions for the RS80(the one I own) is: 

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/ssdrums/rs80_en.pdf

Just copy and paste it in your browser. The other rack instructions
are also available. Let me know which one you have if you cant find
it. Take care

Ern

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-08 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:
The question is whether someone 
> somewhere did the same sort of dissection of the pads as OGD did 
for the Yamaha pads. 
> Does anyone know where to find it on the web, or does anyone know 
what the right 
> combination (including layer thicknes, best kind of foam) should 
be? I've also been looking 
> on the Pintech groups, but couldn't find anything. If all else 
fails, I'll buy a new one to find 
> out. 
> 
> Another point is how to assemble it to the Yamaha rack. I can 
figure out something, but if 
> anyone has experience it will help. 
> 
> Final point is the potmeter that Ed has been mentioning for using 
Pintech pads with the 
> DTXPress brain. What are the specs of such a pot and where do I 
need to solder it. (Ed?)

Hi Erik Paul,

The interior of the Pintech CCs is extremely simple as shipped from 
the factory. There were basically two types--one with a bottom metal 
plate with a slit configuration and one with a slender metal rail 
across the bottom diameter. In each case, a piezo sat at center 
bottom with foam on top of it to make contact with the center of a 
tightened mesh head at the top.  If the foam is inserted properly and 
the head tightened sufficiently, the top of the foam should be 
inconspicuous to the touch--creating a uniformly flat, taut surface 
that allows strikes anywhere on the head to be propagated effectively 
through the foam to the piezo below.  This Roland-type design is 
famous for its "hot spot" at the center, compared to triggering on 
the periphery. To some extent, this is unavoidable; it plays a part 
in positional sensing. But adjustments in playing technique and 
attention to trigger set-up can render it only mildly annoying. 

Pintech has used three different foam shapes to straddle piezo and 
head: the tapered cone, a trapezoid, and the more recent cylindrical 
design. I did a review of the new Pintech trigger assembly, with this 
latest foam, sometime last year, and posted a preliminary report on 
its installation and performance in message # 8347. It might be 
helpful to read. When this new assembly first came out, Pintech was 
willing to send it out to people to install by themselves. Roland, 
however, objected to this tactic (Pintech is a licensee of Roland). 
Now if you want to get upgraded, or repaired, interiors for Pintech 
meshes, you have to either piece them together yourself or send your 
drums to the factory. Obviously, letting Pintech do the work would be 
an option for you, though DIY is much less expensive. I know that 
there was a site that showed the interior of both earlier Pintech 
models, but I can't remember where. I'll work on it.

As you might imagine, e-drum companies are guarded about the specific 
industrial foam that they use. But you might give Pintech a call to 
see whether they'd send you a few columns of it, or at least give you 
a price on the complete factory upgrade. I can't remember the cost. 
In general, the foam should be of the firm, closed-cell variety. Open 
cell foam is too spongy to send a signal and to hold up under the  
battering of drumsticks. One site that I noted at one time for such 
foam is efoamstore.com/default.asp. I know that people have had 
success more recently at www.foamonline.com. 

The Pintech CCs will fit on the Yamaha rack as toms with a simple 
adjustment of the standard-issue clamp's orientation, no?  The snare 
is better-mounted on a separate stand, both to cut down on crosstalk 
from the other pads on the rack and to allow for better positioning. 

I suggest that you get your pads in good working order and test them 
through the module before trying to alter their response.  The pot 
would be a 250k audio taper pot. Looking at the pot from the top, the 
mid-terminal would usually be the one soldered to the incoming plus 
wire and the left terminal to the ground. The right terminal would 
connect to the hot output of the spliced cable. That's how I see it.

Ed

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-08 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
I know that 
> there was a site that showed the interior of both earlier Pintech 
> models, but I can't remember where. I'll work on it.

I couldn't find the site with the Pintech interiors, but here's one 
for the Hart meshes, which in relevant respects aren't too different:
http://home.naxs.com/alex/hartpage2.htm.

Just picture a solid-color pillar sitting on a perforated plate or 
single rail with a piezo (unseen) sandwiched between them. The wiring 
from the piezo to the board at the output jack runs right across the 
drum. On a dual-zone CC, a piezo hangs by a metal rail from the 
bearing edge of the drum beneath the rim, which holds it in place, 
attaching to the shell with adhesive and to the board at the output 
via its own hot and ground wires. 

Ed

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-08 by epvk_jahoe

Hi Ed, 

Thanks a lot, it's certainly helpful. I've mailed pintecheu to see if they can help with the 
foam. 

> The Pintech CCs will fit on the Yamaha rack as toms with a simple 
> adjustment of the standard-issue clamp's orientation, no?  The snare 
> is better-mounted on a separate stand, both to cut down on crosstalk 
> from the other pads on the rack and to allow for better positioning. 

Of course... much simpler than what I had in mind. 

> I suggest that you get your pads in good working order and test them 
> through the module before trying to alter their response.  The pot 
> would be a 250k audio taper pot. Looking at the pot from the top, the 
> mid-terminal would usually be the one soldered to the incoming plus 
> wire and the left terminal to the ground. The right terminal would 
> connect to the hot output of the spliced cable. That's how I see it.

OK. Good advice. 

I'll keep you updated on how things are going (more likely I'll ask some more questions) - 
although it'll probably be a slow process. Perhaps I'll make some pictures if all is finished. 

Thanks again!

Erik Paul

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-09 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:

> Thanks a lot, it's certainly helpful. I've mailed pintecheu to see 
if they can help with the 
> foam. 

If Pintech fails you, I've heard that Thomann sells internal parts for 
e-drums, though I've never had occasion to check.

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-10 by epvk_jahoe

Ed, 

I've studied your pages and it seems possible to do it myself. At Pintech they've been 
willing to help me. They asked to send pictures of the pads so they can check what kind of 
foam they need - which I did. Another option, still, is to get an extra drum, and see if I can 
find a foam store where I can order the same kind. 

Thomann doesn't sell any Pintech products. I've asked them if they intend to do so in the 
near future (early this year), but got no reply. I guess that means no. They did deliver me 
two excellent PCY65S'es though - so no complaints about Thomann from me.  
 
Btw is it true that the PCY10's are not for sale anymore?

Thanks,

Erik Paul

> If Pintech fails you, I've heard that Thomann sells internal parts for 
> e-drums, though I've never had occasion to check.

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-10 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:
> Btw is it true that the PCY10's are not for sale anymore?

OGD would certainly know, but I think that the PCY10s are history. One 
indirect way to confirm is to see whether drumbalaya.com still carries 
them.  

If you can get foam directly from Pintech EU, by all means do so. If 
not, can you email or call Thomann to see whether they sell mesh pad 
components? You don't have to use the Pintech parts in a pinch.

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-12 by oldguydrummer

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:
> > Btw is it true that the PCY10's are not for sale anymore?
> 
> OGD would certainly know, but I think that the PCY10s are history. 
One 
> indirect way to confirm is to see whether drumbalaya.com still 
carries 
> them.  
> 
> If you can get foam directly from Pintech EU, by all means do so. 
If 
> not, can you email or call Thomann to see whether they sell mesh 
pad 
> components? You don't have to use the Pintech parts in a pinch.

The PCY10's are history. I still have about 4 or 5, used to have 
seven. Since they are no longer available, I save the extra ones as 
backup for when the two that I use on my kit expires. Because the 
outer covering is completely molded into one piece, it is not easy to 
replace or repair it. 

OGD

Re: pintech DIY

2005-05-17 by wb7ubd

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:
> > Btw is it true that the PCY10's are not for sale anymore?
> 
> OGD would certainly know, but I think that the PCY10s are history. 
One 
> indirect way to confirm is to see whether drumbalaya.com still 
carries 
> them.  
> 
> If you can get foam directly from Pintech EU, by all means do so. If 
> not, can you email or call Thomann to see whether they sell mesh pad 
> components? You don't have to use the Pintech parts in a pinch.

No more PCY10's; sorry.  :-(

Ed

Re: pintech DIY

2005-06-16 by wb7ubd

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "wb7ubd" <edm@p...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "epvk_jahoe" <yahoo@e...> wrote:
> > > Btw is it true that the PCY10's are not for sale anymore?
> > 
> > OGD would certainly know, but I think that the PCY10s are 
history. 
> One 
> > indirect way to confirm is to see whether drumbalaya.com still 
> carries 
> > them.  
> > 
> > If you can get foam directly from Pintech EU, by all means do 
so. If 
> > not, can you email or call Thomann to see whether they sell mesh 
pad 
> > components? You don't have to use the Pintech parts in a pinch.
> 
> No more PCY10's; sorry.  :-(
> 
> Ed

Well, I lied.  As somebody noted, there is one in an accessory 
package that was part of the obsolete inventory we bought from 
Yamaha a while back; I had completely forgot about it until I ran 
across it the other day.

Ed

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