Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

----- Original Message -----

From: ski_ex5tech

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:47 AM

Subject: [Evolver] Re: OS 2.0 - New Envelope Parameter Mod Destinations

Well, it made sense to Dave, and let's face it, the Evolver is HIS
synth! ;) ;

Following is his reponse to an email in which I raised the issue:

"Actually, not a bug. In the old version attack went faster with more
mod, so now decay and release are the same polarity. It's a throw-
back to keyboard control of envelopes, where usually with a harder
key strike you would want faster envelope times. Not always, of
course, but it doesnt matter all that much, since you can control it
just fine either way."


Ski
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
wrote:
> I 100% agree. I don't get it either.
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Mountain Man wrote:
> > That seens *very* odd. The values supplied directly through
> control knob, and indirectly through modulation have *opposite*
> effects on the envelope parameters ???? That sounds crazy! Did
> Dave say why he designed it that way? Counter-intuitive UI
> decisions like this always make a synth harder to use
> > (at least for me, but I suspect for most folks); I'm surprised he
> did this.
> >
> > Elby
> >
> >
> > > I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but realize
that
> the
> > > value(s) you apply with a modulator (sequencer, LFO, AT, etc.)
to
> > >; affect one of the new Envelope parameter mod destinations works
>; > > OPPOSITE of the actual envelope parameters themselves.
> > >
> > > For example, when you want a longer Envelope Attack, you
> INCREASE the
> > > value of the Attack, right? However, if you apply a POSITIVE
> value
>; > > to Envelope Attack via a modulator, you will DECREASE the
Attack
> time.
> > >
> > > That seemed backward to me, but Dave confirmed that was his
> intent.
> > > It all works fine (at least for me!), just as soon as you
realize
> > > what's going on.
> > >
> > > Ski



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----- Original Message -----

From: ski_ex5tech

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:05 AM

Subject: [Evolver] Re: OS 2.0 - New Envelope Parameter Mod Destinations

I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but realize that the
value(s) you apply with a modulator (sequencer, LFO, AT, etc.) to
affect one of the new Envelope parameter mod destinations works
OPPOSITE of the actual envelope parameters themselves.

For example, when you want a longer Envelope Attack, you INCREASE the
value of the Attack, right? However, if you apply a POSITIVE value
to Envelope Attack via a modulator, you will DECREASE the Attack time.

That seemed backward to me, but Dave confirmed that was his intent.
It all works fine (at least for me!), just as soon as you realize
what's going on.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Quest Pond" <quest.pond@a...>
wrote:
> Regardless i cant seem to get notes to decay longer or shorten
decay at all.
>
> Quest Pond
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nagle [mailto:paul@s...]
> Sent: 15 October 2003 9:43 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] MIDI In prob? Trying to load OS 2.0
>
>
>; On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:33:37 +0100, "Quest Pond"
> wrote:
>
> >Also i have had a quick mess around with the decay and release
sequencer mods and it doesnt quite seem to work as i expexted. Are
these settings for the sequencer set absolute values overriding the
adsr envelope? Even so the results dont seem as i would expect, or
maybe i havent experiemented enough.
>
> Don't all the sequencer values override the patch values? I'd
> certainly prefer it if they were relative +/- but...
>
> Paul
> ---
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----- Original Message -----

From: Joe

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: OS 2.0 - New Envelope Parameter Mod Destinations

On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:31:19PM -0800, Craig Wiper wrote:
> I'm using Midi-Ox and everytime I try and load the first PIC file,
> halfway through the load I get an error message telling me that the
> port is transmitting data to the device, wait until the data has been
> transmitted, and then try again.

I don't really understand that error message. It makes it sound like
you were trying to do some utility in MIDI-OX while it was transmitting.

Anyway, I would suggest the following:
1) transmit directly into the Evolver via MIDI
2) don't run any MIDI back into your PC
3) open Sysex view in MIDI-OX and load the file
4) then right click and select "send" (or select form the drop-down menu)
5) a window will pop up and will start counting the number
of bytes transmitted; the Evo will also start its counting
6) only when the window has disappeared and the Evo has rebooted should
you try to do anything else

If that doesn't work, please detail your setup a bit more and
when/where/how it gives you the error messages.

Good luck!
Joe



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