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Any Pedal can work!!!

Any Pedal can work!!!

2007-11-28 by Eduardo Saponara

So I was on a quest for an expression pedal or volume pedal for a live gig, and I couldn't find one with a mono plug like the Andromeda requires, and the volume pedal was $159, so I took home a yamaha FL-7 or something, with an integrated balanced cable. No workie.

I took it back the next day, and the volume pedal I had looked at was reduced o $65. Sold. it's the Boss FV-500, and it has an expression pedal output jack, designed for a stereo (balanced ) quarter inch cable to connect it. I decided to experiment a little, since it's a passive pedal (no batteries) I didn't think it would hurt.

Stereo cable didn't work, mono cable didn't work, BUT, I grabbed an insert cable, (a 'Y' cable, one balanced connector with two unbalanced connectors that split the tip and ring of the balanced connector on to their own cables, with a shared ground.) and it works!! You just have to use the TIP end of the Y cable in the Andromeda and the balanced connector in the pedal.

The problem comes with the expression pedals that have the cable integrated and not just a jack on the pedal. in that case you will need a Y cable and a barrel or some other way to convert the plug to a female balanced jack.

The Alesis expression /volume pedal (F2?) has the jack, so it can work like this quite easily.

I used the Boss FV-500 pedal on the gig as a (stereo) volume pedal and not an expression pedal, but the expression pedal worked fine in all tests and man was I psyched!

So mystery solved. I wonder if the Alesis manual mentions how to use their pedal with mono cable expecting synths like their Andromeda?

The Boss manual had no mention of it.

The gig went very well btw.

Eduardo

PS I tried to post this to the other a6 list and just got bounces, can someone please forward this to it if the whole thing isn;t down or something?



Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:15:35 +0000
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From: Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [Andromeda_A6-ION] Digest Number 468

Messages In This Digest (3 Messages)
1a. Expression pedal for A6? From: Russell Hoffman 1b. Re: Expression pedal for A6? From: charles graef 1c. Re: Expression pedal for A6? From: Russell Hoffman
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1a. Expression pedal for A6? Posted by: "Russell Hoffman" russ@... rh2y Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:04 pm (PST)
Hi!

I've already asked this on two other A6 forums (code404 and electro-
music), but I figure
can't hurt to cast a wide net:

What is anyone using as an expression pedal on their A6? I'm looking
at the Alesis F2 and the Roland EV5. Are they compatible with the A6?

My A6 is supposed to ship sometime next month (we'll see if that
actually happens), so I'm
trying to see if maybe Santa Claus will bring me a compatible
expression pedal for it.

Thanks!

Russ

1b. Re: Expression pedal for A6? Posted by: "charles graef" vogelscheiss@... modularcharles Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:19 pm (PST)
My experience with the Alesis F2 pedal was that it was *not* compatible with
the A6. That is, the scaling is all wrong and can't be calibrated to a
useful setting without recourse to some kind of external pot.

--Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Hoffman
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Andromeda_A6-ION] Expression pedal for A6?

Hi!

I've already asked this on two other A6 forums (code404 and electro-
music), but I figure
can't hurt to cast a wide net:

What is anyone using as an expression pedal on their A6? I'm looking
at the Alesis F2 and the Roland EV5. Are they compatible with the A6?

My A6 is supposed to ship sometime next month (we'll see if that
actually happens), so I'm
trying to see if maybe Santa Claus will bring me a compatible
expression pedal for it.

Thanks!

Russ

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1c. Re: Expression pedal for A6? Posted by: "Russell Hoffman" russ@... rh2y Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:20 pm (PST)
Thanks!

On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:20 PM, charles graef wrote:

> My experience with the Alesis F2 pedal was that it was *not*
> compatible with
> the A6. That is, the scaling is all wrong and can't be calibrated
> to a
> useful setting without recourse to some kind of external pot.
>
> --Chuck
>

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Re: [Andromeda_A6-ION] Any Pedal can work!!!

2007-11-28 by Russell Hoffman


On Nov 28, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Eduardo Saponara wrote:
I used the Boss FV-500 pedal on the gig as a (stereo) volume pedal and not an expression pedal, but the expression pedal worked fine in all tests and man was I psyched!

Eduardo,

Thanks for the input!

Sounds like, in lieu of an insert cable, making up a cable with a TRS plug
on one end and a mono plug on the other end, with the tip of the mono connected
to the tip of the TRS, and the ground of each connected together would do the trick.

My guess as to why just using a mono cable doesn't work is the sleeve one the mono
plug shorts the sleeve and ring together when plugged into the pedal's jack.

I wonder if the FV-50 will work, as well... it'a a little cheaper than the FV-500. Though, I have
to say --- the FV-500 looks a lot more sturdy. Is it metal?

Thanks!

Russ

RE: [Andromeda_A6-ION] Any Pedal can work!!!

2007-11-28 by charles graef

The Alesis F2 has the jack - that was a given.  The issue is the scaling of the range of the pedal, which cannot be calibrated usefully for A6 purposes. This

Re: Any Pedal can work!!!

2008-02-26 by gnippuz

Well I tried and Alesis F2, tried all possible combination (TIP-RING
etc...).. and all I got is an expression pedal working, but with all
the "expression" in the first 1 cm of pedal action... Unusable.
Reversing with the Alesis F2 switch all I got is the same but in the
last 1 cm of pedal action.

It's still a mistery for me...


--- In Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Saponara
<elmacaco@...> wrote:
>
> 
> So I was on a quest for an expression pedal or volume pedal for a
live gig, and I couldn't find one with a mono plug like the Andromeda
requires, and the volume pedal was $159, so I took home a yamaha FL-7
or something, with an integrated balanced cable.  No workie.   I took
it back the next day, and the volume pedal I had looked at was reduced
o $65.  Sold.  it's the Boss FV-500, and it has an expression pedal
output jack, designed for a stereo (balanced ) quarter inch cable to
connect it.  I decided to experiment a little, since it's a passive
pedal (no batteries) I didn't think it would hurt.   Stereo cable
didn't work, mono cable didn't work, BUT, I grabbed an insert cable,
(a 'Y' cable, one balanced connector with two unbalanced connectors
that split the tip and ring of the balanced connector on to their own
cables, with a shared ground.)  and it works!! You just have to use
the TIP end of the Y cable in the Andromeda and the balanced connector
in the pedal.   The problem comes with the expression pedals that have
the cable integrated and not just a jack on the pedal.  in that case
you will need a Y cable and a barrel or some other way to convert the
plug to a female balanced jack. The Alesis expression /volume pedal
(F2?) has the jack, so it can work like this quite easily. I used the
Boss FV-500 pedal on the gig as a (stereo) volume pedal and not an
expression pedal, but the expression pedal worked fine in all tests
and man was I psyched! So mystery solved.  I wonder if the Alesis
manual mentions how to use their pedal with mono cable expecting
synths like their Andromeda? The Boss manual had no mention of it. The
gig went very well btw. Eduardo
>  
> PS I tried to post this to the other a6 list and just got bounces,
can someone please forward this to it if the whole thing isn;t down or
something?
> 
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> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:15:35 +0000From: Andromeda_A6-ION@...:
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> Expression pedal for A6? From: Russell Hoffman 
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> Re: Expression pedal for A6? From: charles graef 
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> Posted by: "Russell Hoffman" russ@...   rh2y 
> Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:04 pm (PST) 
> Hi!I've already asked this on two other A6 forums (code404 and
electro- music), but I figurecan't hurt to cast a wide net:What is
anyone using as an expression pedal on their A6? I'm lookingat the
Alesis F2 and the Roland EV5. Are they compatible with the A6?My A6 is
supposed to ship sometime next month (we'll see if that actually
happens), so I'mtrying to see if maybe Santa Claus will bring me a
compatible expression pedal for it.Thanks!Russ
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> Re: Expression pedal for A6? 
> Posted by: "charles graef" vogelscheiss@...   modularcharles 
> Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:19 pm (PST) 
> My experience with the Alesis F2 pedal was that it was *not*
compatible withthe A6. That is, the scaling is all wrong and can't be
calibrated to auseful setting without recourse to some kind of
external pot.--Chuck-----Original Message-----From:
Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com[mailto:Andromeda_A6-ION@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Russell HoffmanSent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:04
PMTo: Andromeda_A6-ION@...: [Andromeda_A6-ION] Expression pedal for
A6?Hi!I've already asked this on two other A6 forums (code404 and
electro- music), but I figurecan't hurt to cast a wide net:What is
anyone using as an expression pedal on their A6? I'm lookingat the
Alesis F2 and the Roland EV5. Are they compatible with the A6?My A6 is
supposed to ship sometime next month (we'll see if that actually
happens), so I'mtrying to see if maybe Santa Claus will bring me a
compatible expression pedal for it.Thanks!RussYahoo! Groups Links
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> Re: Expression pedal for A6? 
> Posted by: "Russell Hoffman" russ@...   rh2y 
> Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:20 pm (PST) 
> Thanks!On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:20 PM, charles graef wrote:> My
experience with the Alesis F2 pedal was that it was *not* > compatible
with> the A6. That is, the scaling is all wrong and can't be
calibrated > to a> useful setting without recourse to some kind of
external pot.>> --Chuck>
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