Atari-Midi Archives

Hi guys!

This is all extremely interesting :-)..., but may I remind you that this 
site is just the atari-midi 'ARCHIVE'.
Some years ago we needed some more yahoo diskspace, that's why.

The big scene is at:  atari-midi@yahoogroups.com
(That's were the fune is :-))

Best,
Dr A

PeWe schreef:
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> charles midi gfa pascal schrieb:
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> > WOW REALLY HOW MANY TRACKS PER SONG DOYOU HAVE ?
>
> Oh,- that can be very different. Depends on the song itself.
> You know, today I use also a PC based DAW w/ Cubase SX3, but have all 
> my Atari stuff in addition, just because here are all my songs and 
> arrangements fom the past in stock too,- mostly in Notator format.
> A lot of \ufffdem weren\ufffdt relased and include nice parts p.ex.,- so for me, 
> it\ufffds easier to use the Atari/Notator format instead importing midi 
> files containing 16 tracks only per pattern and 
> arrange/edit/requantize all this again in a modern DAW because of 
> different resolution. I used always 1536ppq w/ Notator SL.
> Too much work and wasted time.
>
> Songs could be only a few midi tracks if there were many guitars and 
> vocals in the front and if there were a drummer and/or percussionist 
> available to record audio. I also don\ufffdt use all my midi outboard tone 
> generators in every song.
> But if I did complex arrangements alone, incl. all the drums, 
> percussion and sometimes orchestral percussions in addition, the 
> quantum of midi tracks rised fast.
>
> I use(d) to have a separate track for each of the drum/percussion 
> instruments and I use(d) to have a separate pattern of 16 midi 
> channels for the orchestrations w/ 1 sampler in multi mode p.ex..
> This makes it easier to record audio tracks one by one later because 
> of better overview, easy muting tracks and better timing during audio 
> record in sync w/a multi track recorder.
>
> Some midi tracks are needed for separate midi controller lanes too,- 
> you might listen to a kind of midi-mix during arranging incl. volume 
> fades, pannings and so on and before you record anything.
> This can cause some timing gliches if all is playing in realtime, so, 
> if you start to record midi tracks to audio one by one, simply mute 
> all not needed tracks and mute the controller lanes too, avoiding 
> unwanted controller-events affecting the recording of your pure signal 
> which has to be full volume throughout w/ no pannings because you do 
> this in the audio mix later.
>
> Rule:
> Never change programs within a midi-track
> Don\ufffdt insert CC-controllers in a midi track together w/ the midi-notes
> Don\ufffdt change midi channels within a midi track.
>
> Otherwise you aren\ufffdt able to copy patterns in the arrange list to only 
> one pattern incl. rendered midi transpositions, velocity offsets and 
> so on without getting cluttered program changes, transpositions, 
> velocity jumps, volume an panning changes across the tracks resulting 
> in a endless editing of these copied tracks during recording audio.
>
> If you work w/ signature changes and timing offsets of patterns in the 
> arrange list, it\ufffds even more important to organize the miditracks and 
> patterns right.
>
> Good organization of tracks and controllers cost miditracks.
>
> > WHAT TOS DO YOU USE TOO?
>
> TOS 1.4 w/ ATari MegaST4
> TOS 2.06 w/ Atari MegaSTE
> Something in between ( the last one) for the 1040STEs
>
> Today, the Mega ST4 and the 1040 STEs only run Steinberg Synthworks 
> bankmanager/editor programs for the midi tone generators/keyboards, so 
> I run Mega STE 4 w/ Unitor 2 and Log3, MegaST4 w/ Unitor N and Export 
> and 1 1040 STe w/ a Midex.
>
> >  
> > I GOT MY MIDEX WORKING AND BEEN USIG IT  BUT THE ONLY SET BACK NOW 
> IS SCREEN REDRAWS ARE A
> > TOUGHY..THEY ARE SLOWER WITH THE MORE TRACKS I HAVE PER SONG.
>
> I use Cubase Atari only in the case someone comes up w/ tracks created 
> in Cubase Atari format ( this happened in the past).
> I prefer Notator SL for the Atari platform, Notator is the tightest 
> program w/ midi.
> I use Notator Logic 2.5 to import Notator SL files/songs to change 
> from pattern oriented sequence structure to a linear track based 
> sequencer structure.
> This makes it easier to import midi into any linear track based DAW.
>
> I\ufffdm able to run all my midi outboard instruments ( 22 devices,- 30 if 
> you count a TX816 as 8 DX7) some in mulitmode, w/ Notator SL, Unitor N 
> (or Unitor 2), Export or Log3 and a Sycologic 16in/32 out midi matriss 
> in realtime to DAT or any other stereo recorder without any timing 
> issues at once.
> Well, you need a lot of outboard FX and mixers for this, but I did 
> this during the times I only recorded vocals and guitars to a 8-track 
> recorder w/ the midi playback running into the mix in realtime.
>
> Today w/ a DAW like Cubase on the PC, I can record all the tracks to 
> harddisk, no question.
> But it works like described above also and demonstrates the power of 
> midi w/ Atari computers and Notator.
> And I have still my 8- track tape recorder left here, running in SPMTE 
> sync,- sometimes it\ufffds also a great idea to route software instruments 
> out of the DAW to the tape recorder and back to the DAW as audio,- 
> makes a different sound.
> >  
> > CHARLES
>
> PeWe
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