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You might want to dissect the "We All Die" patch to get an idea how 
to get the oohs and ahhs.

Rainbow Jimmy

> You might want to dissect the "We All Die" patch to get an idea how
> to get the oohs and ahhs.
>
> Rainbow Jimmy

=:->

That's a serious throwdown, Jim!
I think we should challenge anyone on the list to give a quality explanation of
this patch.  It's one of the most mysterious peices of synth programming I've
ever heard.

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Is that patch in the files section somewhere (or where could I get 
it)?

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
wrote:
> > You might want to dissect the "We All Die" patch to get an idea 
how
> > to get the oohs and ahhs.
> >
> > Rainbow Jimmy
> 
> =:->
> 
> That's a serious throwdown, Jim!
> I think we should challenge anyone on the list to give a quality 
explanation of
> this patch.  It's one of the most mysterious peices of synth 
programming I've

> ever heard.
> 
> Ed Edwards
> Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel  »»»»Retro-Progressive Rock««««
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> http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
> 
> Is that patch in the files section somewhere (or where could I get 
> it)?


Its factory preset 119. You should be able to rtire the individual voice using AN1xEdit and 
one of the copies of the factory defaults in the files section - or you can reinit your AN1x 
and retrieve it that way.

Jon

> Its factory preset 119. You should be able to rtire the individual 
voice using AN1xEdit and one of the copies of the factory defaults 
in the files section - or you can reinit your AN1x and retrieve it 
that way.


Cool, I'll open the AN1X factory bank in my AN200 editor and look 
for it in the patch listing.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> wrote:
> > You might want to dissect the "We All Die" patch to get an idea how
> > to get the oohs and ahhs.
> >
> > Rainbow Jimmy
> 
> =:->
> 
> That's a serious throwdown, Jim!
> I think we should challenge anyone on the list to give a quality explanation of
> this patch.  It's one of the most mysterious peices of synth programming I've
> ever heard.

okay, I restored the factory presets to my AN1x and voice 119 is 'We All Die' (not too be 
confused with the 80's classic "I Die, You Die'!)

It's not an arpeggio but rather a 4 step sequence at 90 bpm stored with the voice - C3 and 
C4 triggering both voices. Each note is a whole measure, HOLD is enabled and the Seq is 
stored with the Voice.

The Voice is in Split Mode. Basically, each scene is set to Sync+FMSlv with maximum, 
negative settings for Sync and FM - the Pitch Dpth value controls the 'iiiie' sound but only 
because the VCO1 is transposed down three octaves! The 'd' sound appears to be the 
result of VCO2 which is transposed upwards nearly two octaves, but the fine tuning is 
nearly 40 cents flat. Again, play with the Pitch Dpth and it makes sense. Both scenes in the 
voices are VERY similar - mostly differences in Pitch, Fine Tuning and Pitch Dpth. The split 
in combination with the Seq is how the DIE die DIE die effect is achieved. Whoever thought 
this is up was friggin' brilliant.

Jon

It sounds completely different when played on the AN200 but I 
definitely hear the osc. sync.  The AN200 doesn't have split mode 
and I'm not sure if the sequencer is the same as the AN1X's.

> It's not an arpeggio but rather a 4 step sequence at 90 bpm stored 
with the voice - C3 and 
> C4 triggering both voices. Each note is a whole measure, HOLD is 
enabled and the Seq is 
> stored with the Voice.
> 
> The Voice is in Split Mode. Basically, each scene is set to 
Sync+FMSlv with maximum, 
> negative settings for Sync and FM - the Pitch Dpth value controls 
the 'iiiie' sound but only 
> because the VCO1 is transposed down three octaves! The 'd' sound 
appears to be the 
> result of VCO2 which is transposed upwards nearly two octaves, but 
the fine tuning is 
> nearly 40 cents flat. Again, play with the Pitch Dpth and it makes 
sense. Both scenes in the 
> voices are VERY similar - mostly differences in Pitch, Fine Tuning 
and Pitch Dpth. The split 
> in combination with the Seq is how the DIE die DIE die effect is 
achieved. Whoever thought 

> this is up was friggin' brilliant.
> 
> Jon

I can hear it say "we all die" using plg150an(scene 1 only); the step 
sequencer is an essential part of the patch.  An equally mysterious 
patch for DX-7 people: in sysex bank 0042 is a patch called "Why 2". 
Play a note near mid C and a male voice clearly says "WHY!". No idea 
how they got a DX-7 to talk...

> I can hear it say "we all die" using plg150an...  When I send 
the "we all die" patch from AN expert editor, I can hear the "we all 
die" voice.. When the same patch is loaded into userbank from 
smartcard file, I don't hear quite the same sound. Odd...

----- Original Message -----

From: uralmoto2001

> An equally mysterious
> patch for DX-7 people: in sysex bank 0042
> is a patch called "Why 2".
> Play a note near mid C and a male voice clearly
> says "WHY!". No idea
> how they got a DX-7 to talk...


The Yamaha computer that was out about the same time as the DX7 and DX9 and
with the same chip (CX5M, was it?) used to have a speech command.
Accordingto Dave Bristow, Yamaha's demonstrator at the time, the command was
only in the Japanese manual because, according to Yamaha, the computer only
spoke Japanese.  But he was able to get it to speak several European
languages with a heavy Japanese accent by putting in almost joke-Japanese -
e.g. `haro' for `hello.'  It worked, too.  He used to demonstrate this, and
I've been there when he did it.

So in theory the DX7 should be able to say a few things, though in practice
it may not have the command structure for it?

- Andrew

> The Yamaha computer that was out about the same time as the DX7 and DX9
> and
> with the same chip (CX5M, was it?) used to have a speech command.
> Accordingto Dave Bristow, Yamaha's demonstrator at the time, the command
> was
> only in the Japanese manual because, according to Yamaha, the computer
> only
> spoke Japanese.  But he was able to get it to speak several European
> languages with a heavy Japanese accent by putting in almost joke-Japanese


You can make anything with a programmable 'beep' simulate speech.

A common add-on for DOS was a "speak" program that made the PC speaker
simulate text-to-speech. No sound card mind you, just the inherent PC beep
speaker.

> You can make anything with a programmable 'beep' simulate speech.

Here Giblet has gone and poked his face right out of the window into the fog.

"You" (who? scientists maybe?) can make "anything" (what? methane, a Casio
watch, maybe your car horn?) with a programmable 'beep' (like your car?)
simulate speech (what language?).

Gilbert, the abilities of any synthesizer depend upon the design.  You are
mistaken in thinking that the AN series of synths has a simplified means of
emulating speech.  The programmable beep that you speak of must be modulated
with a complex waveform to produce an output that has the intricate qualities of
speech.  The AN series has only a simple set of internal waveforms available for
modulation (sine and pulse being the most prevalent).  There is no "audio in"
function in this synth.

You shouldn't presume that producing a sound resembling speech is an easy task.
It requires special algorithms, programming and wave storage.

Again: The "We All Die" patch is a masterpiece, very clever and very complicated
to produce.  Jon has done an excellent job of dissecting it for us to examine
and possibly modify.

Ed Edwards
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> Subject: RE: We All die (was Re: [AN1x] re: atmospheric choir
>
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>
> > The Yamaha computer that was out about the same time as the DX7 and DX9
> > and
> > with the same chip (CX5M, was it?) used to have a speech command.
> > Accordingto Dave Bristow, Yamaha's demonstrator at the time, the command
> > was
> > only in the Japanese manual because, according to Yamaha, the computer
> > only
> > spoke Japanese.  But he was able to get it to speak several European
> > languages with a heavy Japanese accent by putting in almost joke-Japanese
>
>

>
> A common add-on for DOS was a "speak" program that made the PC speaker
> simulate text-to-speech. No sound card mind you, just the inherent PC beep
> speaker.
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> Here Giblet has gone and poked his face right out of the window into the
> fog.
> 
> "You" (who? scientists maybe?) can make "anything" (what? methane, a Casio
> watch, maybe your car horn?) with a programmable 'beep' (like your car?)
> simulate speech (what language?).

'You' == anyone who knows how to modulate speech with an oscillator. There
are lots of white-papers and books on the subject. A PC speaker is driven by
a square wave generator whose only programmable parameters are duty cycle
and frequency. If one can make THAT talk, then one can make a dog's
squeak-toy talk if one is persistent enough.

No algorithm is required at the an1x end -- only at the PC end.

While the interface to an AN1x's oscillators is indirect and primitive
compared with the PC's directly-programmable oscillator, it can't be all
THAT difficult to synthesize short waveform sequences on a PC and transfer
those to the synth. I've played with speech synthesis under DOS (I *am* a
scientist) on a PC but maybe I should shut up until I actually DO it on an
an1x... Don't hold your breath on that - it just isn't worth the effort.

There are several TTS examples available on the web, in assembly and C
languages. One can use them to observe the waveforms of those words one
wishes to duplicate on the an1x and 'simply' duplicate the waveform. (What
could be simpler, eh?)

This would be an interesting exercise, but a total waste of time. A Triton,
or any other sampler, can talk its fool head off right out of the box.

>A Triton, or any other sampler, can talk its fool head off right 
out of the box.

The Waldorf Microwave 1 has a speech synthesizer that, 
unfortunately, wasn't included on my Microwave II.

There was an old Commodore64 program called S.A.M. that did a pretty 
good job of speech synthesis.  (You just typed in phrases/sentences 
and it would speak them.)

Didn't mean to start a flame.

I'm not a scientist, but I've played one at work in the past... PCM through a PC
speaker is painful enough to force confessions from hardened criminals.

My pint is that the AN1x and its buddies don't have the programmability to do
much exciting stuff.

Ed Edwards
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giblet [mailto:phw@...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:35 AM
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: We All die (was Re: [AN1x] re: atmospheric choir
>
>
>
> > Here Giblet has gone and poked his face right out of the window into the
> > fog.
> >
> > "You" (who? scientists maybe?) can make "anything" (what? methane, a Casio
> > watch, maybe your car horn?) with a programmable 'beep' (like your car?)
> > simulate speech (what language?).
>
> 'You' == anyone who knows how to modulate speech with an oscillator. There
> are lots of white-papers and books on the subject. A PC speaker is driven by
> a square wave generator whose only programmable parameters are duty cycle
> and frequency. If one can make THAT talk, then one can make a dog's
> squeak-toy talk if one is persistent enough.
>
> No algorithm is required at the an1x end -- only at the PC end.
>
> While the interface to an AN1x's oscillators is indirect and primitive
> compared with the PC's directly-programmable oscillator, it can't be all
> THAT difficult to synthesize short waveform sequences on a PC and transfer
> those to the synth. I've played with speech synthesis under DOS (I *am* a
> scientist) on a PC but maybe I should shut up until I actually DO it on an
> an1x... Don't hold your breath on that - it just isn't worth the effort.
>
> There are several TTS examples available on the web, in assembly and C
> languages. One can use them to observe the waveforms of those words one
> wishes to duplicate on the an1x and 'simply' duplicate the waveform. (What
> could be simpler, eh?)
>
> This would be an interesting exercise, but a total waste of time. A Triton,
> or any other sampler, can talk its fool head off right out of the box.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:34 AM
  Subject: We All die (was Re: [AN1x] re: atmospheric choir



  >A Triton, or any other sampler, can talk its fool head off right 
  out of the box.

  The Waldorf Microwave 1 has a speech synthesizer that, 
  unfortunately, wasn't included on my Microwave II.

  There was an old Commodore64 program called S.A.M. that did a pretty 
  good job of speech synthesis.  (You just typed in phrases/sentences 
  and it would speak them.)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

well, there's a software named Cantor from Virsyn that can create synthetic 
speach, vocals and choir sounds...
Very simple choir sounds can be created using PWM...
FM/Ringmod combination or prefiltered FM/Ringmod can do nice vowel sounds too... 
More sophisticated ones need formant synthesis or formant filters (at least 3 
parallel bandpass filters). 

...Summa


On 10 Mar 2005 at 9:28, Dale Kay wrote:

> 
> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio.htm
> 
> another fellow musician and programmer... he has a lot of tools and
> stuff to play with... see his audio programs...(i.e. say it)
> 
> dale
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>   Subject: We All die (was Re: [AN1x] re: atmospheric choir
> 
> 
> 
>   >A Triton, or any other sampler, can talk its fool head off right
>   out of the box.
> 
>   The Waldorf Microwave 1 has a speech synthesizer that, 
>   unfortunately, wasn't included on my Microwave II.
> 
>   There was an old Commodore64 program called S.A.M. that did a pretty
>   good job of speech synthesis.  (You just typed in phrases/sentences
>   and it would speak them.)
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I believe my band member has that one and another one which he can create singing voices...

(analogx stuff is free...)

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Summa 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:45 AM
  Subject: Re: We All die (was Re: [AN1x] re: atmospheric choir


  Hi,

  well, there's a software named Cantor from Virsyn that can create synthetic 
  speach, vocals and choir sounds...
  Very simple choir sounds can be created using PWM...
  FM/Ringmod combination or prefiltered FM/Ringmod can do nice vowel sounds too... 
  More sophisticated ones need formant synthesis or formant filters (at least 3 
  parallel bandpass filters). 

  ...Summa

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ok got it wrong (no suprise for most here, I do get wires crossed 
between my ears...) it is Miriam that he has and he cant get it to 
install correctly to even try to use. He has a mac and it wants a nic 
card to authorize too, so he bought a usb one and guess what, does 
not work... he has been working with that a few months since the sale 
on it... but that is now treading OT for the group... if anyone here 
can help on it, do email off list and I will give you his email to 
direct contact as I know he would like to get that up and running.

It's candor that Klaus Schulze has a fond likeing too (thinking I 
might have that right)... (which by the way he isn't doing too well, 
real sick, see his web site...)

But I have to say, I have vocoders on a lot of things here, ION, 
MS2000, Trition Extreme, Chameleon (sound art's)my current fav is 
using the extreme... I have samples if any wished to hear.. drop load 
as they are rather large...I never bought the chip for the 
DarkStar... or I could have added that to the list... 

Using the filter queen, I have also been able to alter voice, which I 
am thinking to try to move this back to topic (near anyway) is the 
one of the keys to using an200 types, the filters.

dale

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <admin@k...> wrote:
> I believe my band member has that one and another one which he can 
create singing voices...

> 
> (analogx stuff is free...)
> 
> dale