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FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-13 by kollegekid12345

im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound module... the 
porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to external 
sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down picth changes) 
that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type of melody. i 
dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting my sound 
modules sounds.

my MIDI set up is

rm1x out > an1x in 
an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
an1x out > rm1x in

thanks
dave

RE: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-13 by jez creek

If the out of the an1x is connected to the rm1x then it cannot be affecting
the xl1, it is most probable that the source of your problem is the rm1x as
it's midi data is copied out of the an1x thru.
Jez Creek
http://www.shadowdancer.info
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From: kollegekid12345 [mailto:kollegekid12345@...]
Sent: 14 October 2002 00:11
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help



  im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound module... the
  porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to external
  sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down picth changes)
  that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type of melody. i
  dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting my sound
  modules sounds.

  my MIDI set up is

  rm1x out > an1x in
  an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
  an1x out > rm1x in

  thanks
  dave


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Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-14 by Jon

Acutally, I think the AN1x data at the MIDI Out port is duplicated on 
the MIDI Thru port. The easiest way to trouble shoot is to remove 
the RM1x from the MIDI chain. Simply go AN1x MIDI Out --> XL1 
MIDI In for trouble shooting.

I suspect either 1) the MOD Wheel is not zeroed out, i.e., all the 
way down, and is modulating the LFO Speed or LFO Depth on 
the XL1 or 2) he's applying enough key pressure on the AN1x to 
trigger the aftertouch which is modulating some parameter on 
his XL1 (just as the MOD Wheel would.)

Hope this helps.

regards,

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "jez creek" <jez@j...> wrote:
> If the out of the an1x is connected to the rm1x then it cannot be 
affecting
> the xl1, it is most probable that the source of your problem is 
the rm1x as
> it's midi data is copied out of the an1x thru.
> Jez Creek
> http://www.shadowdancer.info
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: kollegekid12345 [mailto:kollegekid12345@y...]
> Sent: 14 October 2002 00:11
> To: AN1x-list@y...
> Subject: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
> 
> 
> 
>   im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound 
module... the
>   porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to 
external
>   sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down picth 
changes)
>   that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type of 
melody. i
>   dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting my 
sound
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>   modules sounds.
> 
>   my MIDI set up is
> 
>   rm1x out > an1x in
>   an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
>   an1x out > rm1x in
> 
>   thanks
>   dave
>

Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-14 by kollegekid12345

the MOD wheel is all the way down.. im trying all the possible MIDI 
setups... but the an1x is still giving off some type of signal and 
effecting the sounds in the xl1 =(

is there a way to just kill the modulation effect i.e. remove it from 
the MIDI system?

looks like imma have to drag that old casio piece of **** out of the 
closet and use that for a MIDI controller...

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> Acutally, I think the AN1x data at the MIDI Out port is duplicated 
on 
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> the MIDI Thru port. The easiest way to trouble shoot is to remove 
> the RM1x from the MIDI chain. Simply go AN1x MIDI Out --> XL1 
> MIDI In for trouble shooting.
> 
> I suspect either 1) the MOD Wheel is not zeroed out, i.e., all the 
> way down, and is modulating the LFO Speed or LFO Depth on 
> the XL1 or 2) he's applying enough key pressure on the AN1x to 
> trigger the aftertouch which is modulating some parameter on 
> his XL1 (just as the MOD Wheel would.)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon
> 
> --- In AN1x-list@y..., "jez creek" <jez@j...> wrote:
> > If the out of the an1x is connected to the rm1x then it cannot be 
> affecting
> > the xl1, it is most probable that the source of your problem is 
> the rm1x as
> > it's midi data is copied out of the an1x thru.
> > Jez Creek
> > http://www.shadowdancer.info
> > 
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: kollegekid12345 [mailto:kollegekid12345@y...]
> > Sent: 14 October 2002 00:11
> > To: AN1x-list@y...
> > Subject: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound 
> module... the
> >   porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to 
> external
> >   sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down picth 
> changes)
> >   that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type of 
> melody. i
> >   dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting my 
> sound
> >   modules sounds.
> > 
> >   my MIDI set up is
> > 
> >   rm1x out > an1x in
> >   an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
> >   an1x out > rm1x in
> > 
> >   thanks
> >   dave
> >

Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-14 by Bob Smith

sounds like the aftertouch - you can teach your X11 to ignore it, or turn it off on the an1x
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kollegekid12345 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help


  the MOD wheel is all the way down.. im trying all the possible MIDI 
  setups... but the an1x is still giving off some type of signal and 
  effecting the sounds in the xl1 =(

  is there a way to just kill the modulation effect i.e. remove it from 
  the MIDI system?

  looks like imma have to drag that old casio piece of **** out of the 
  closet and use that for a MIDI controller...

  --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
  > Acutally, I think the AN1x data at the MIDI Out port is duplicated 
  on 
  > the MIDI Thru port. The easiest way to trouble shoot is to remove 
  > the RM1x from the MIDI chain. Simply go AN1x MIDI Out --> XL1 
  > MIDI In for trouble shooting.
  > 
  > I suspect either 1) the MOD Wheel is not zeroed out, i.e., all the 
  > way down, and is modulating the LFO Speed or LFO Depth on 
  > the XL1 or 2) he's applying enough key pressure on the AN1x to 
  > trigger the aftertouch which is modulating some parameter on 
  > his XL1 (just as the MOD Wheel would.)
  > 
  > Hope this helps.
  > 
  > regards,
  > 
  > Jon
  > 
  > --- In AN1x-list@y..., "jez creek" <jez@j...> wrote:
  > > If the out of the an1x is connected to the rm1x then it cannot be 
  > affecting
  > > the xl1, it is most probable that the source of your problem is 
  > the rm1x as
  > > it's midi data is copied out of the an1x thru.
  > > Jez Creek
  > > http://www.shadowdancer.info
  > > 
  > >  -----Original Message-----
  > > From: kollegekid12345 [mailto:kollegekid12345@y...]
  > > Sent: 14 October 2002 00:11
  > > To: AN1x-list@y...
  > > Subject: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > >   im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound 
  > module... the
  > >   porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to 
  > external
  > >   sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down picth 
  > changes)
  > >   that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type of 
  > melody. i
  > >   dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting my 
  > sound
  > >   modules sounds.
  > > 
  > >   my MIDI set up is
  > > 
  > >   rm1x out > an1x in
  > >   an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
  > >   an1x out > rm1x in
  > > 
  > >   thanks
  > >   dave
  > >


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Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-15 by Jon

AFAIK there is no method to disable the transmission of 
Channel Pressure from the AN1x. I downloaded a copy of the 
XL1 manual from E-mu and there does not appear to be a global 
disable for Channel Pressure - he'll likely have to disable 
Channel Pressure as a Modulation Source for the XL1 Patch in 
question. I could be mistaken so I'd advise checking in with the 
XL1 list here at Yahoo! Groups.

Have you tried running the XL1 off the RM1x MIDI Thru? Does the 
RM1x allow filtering of Continuos Controllers? Most software 
sequencers and some multi-port MIDI Interfaces allow filtering of 
PB, AT, and CC's.

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Bob Smith" <bob-smith@h...> wrote:
> sounds like the aftertouch - you can teach your X11 to ignore it, 
or turn it off on the an1x
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: kollegekid12345 
>   To: AN1x-list@y... 
>   Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:12 PM
>   Subject: Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
> 
> 
>   the MOD wheel is all the way down.. im trying all the possible 
MIDI 
>   setups... but the an1x is still giving off some type of signal and 
>   effecting the sounds in the xl1 =(
> 
>   is there a way to just kill the modulation effect i.e. remove it 
from 
>   the MIDI system?
> 
>   looks like imma have to drag that old casio piece of **** out of 
the 
>   closet and use that for a MIDI controller...
> 
>   --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
>   > Acutally, I think the AN1x data at the MIDI Out port is 
duplicated 
>   on 
>   > the MIDI Thru port. The easiest way to trouble shoot is to 
remove 
>   > the RM1x from the MIDI chain. Simply go AN1x MIDI Out --> 
XL1 
>   > MIDI In for trouble shooting.
>   > 
>   > I suspect either 1) the MOD Wheel is not zeroed out, i.e., all 
the 
>   > way down, and is modulating the LFO Speed or LFO Depth 
on 
>   > the XL1 or 2) he's applying enough key pressure on the 
AN1x to 
>   > trigger the aftertouch which is modulating some parameter 
on 
>   > his XL1 (just as the MOD Wheel would.)
>   > 
>   > Hope this helps.
>   > 
>   > regards,
>   > 
>   > Jon
>   > 
>   > --- In AN1x-list@y..., "jez creek" <jez@j...> wrote:
>   > > If the out of the an1x is connected to the rm1x then it 
cannot be 
>   > affecting
>   > > the xl1, it is most probable that the source of your problem 
is 
>   > the rm1x as
>   > > it's midi data is copied out of the an1x thru.
>   > > Jez Creek
>   > > http://www.shadowdancer.info
>   > > 
>   > >  -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: kollegekid12345 [mailto:kollegekid12345@y...]
>   > > Sent: 14 October 2002 00:11
>   > > To: AN1x-list@y...
>   > > Subject: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > >   im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound 
>   > module... the
>   > >   porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to 
>   > external
>   > >   sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down 
picth 
>   > changes)
>   > >   that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type 
of 
>   > melody. i
>   > >   dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting 
my 
>   > sound
>   > >   modules sounds.
>   > > 
>   > >   my MIDI set up is
>   > > 
>   > >   rm1x out > an1x in
>   > >   an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
>   > >   an1x out > rm1x in
>   > > 
>   > >   thanks
>   > >   dave
>   > >
> 
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Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-20 by kollegekid12345

ok, heres the deal. the an1x transmits a bunch of data via MIDI out. 
after messing with the portamento and PEG/LFO knobs and other knobs 
too.. ive realized that the an1x can drastically change sounds from 
an external tone generator, unwanted for the most part, but i think 
these effects might be useful sometime. i cant figure out how to cut 
off all this MIDI data from being transmited, BUT i can filter the 
data from being recorded using the rm1x MIDI settings. although, i 
still hear unwanted effects (portamento especially) when im recording 
a track or improvisng. so basically i think there is no way i can 
stop the an1x from transmiting all this extra data via MIDI out, but 
i can filter it from being recorded into my sequencer. thanks for all 
the replies.

cheers
dave

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> AFAIK there is no method to disable the transmission of 
> Channel Pressure from the AN1x. I downloaded a copy of the 
> XL1 manual from E-mu and there does not appear to be a global 
> disable for Channel Pressure - he'll likely have to disable 
> Channel Pressure as a Modulation Source for the XL1 Patch in 
> question. I could be mistaken so I'd advise checking in with the 
> XL1 list here at Yahoo! Groups.
> 
> Have you tried running the XL1 off the RM1x MIDI Thru? Does the 
> RM1x allow filtering of Continuos Controllers? Most software 
> sequencers and some multi-port MIDI Interfaces allow filtering of 
> PB, AT, and CC's.
> 
> Jon
> 
> --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Bob Smith" <bob-smith@h...> wrote:
> > sounds like the aftertouch - you can teach your X11 to ignore it, 
> or turn it off on the an1x
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: kollegekid12345 
> >   To: AN1x-list@y... 
> >   Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:12 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
> > 
> > 
> >   the MOD wheel is all the way down.. im trying all the possible 
> MIDI 
> >   setups... but the an1x is still giving off some type of signal 
and 
> >   effecting the sounds in the xl1 =(
> > 
> >   is there a way to just kill the modulation effect i.e. remove 
it 
> from 
> >   the MIDI system?
> > 
> >   looks like imma have to drag that old casio piece of **** out 
of 
> the 
> >   closet and use that for a MIDI controller...
> > 
> >   --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> >   > Acutally, I think the AN1x data at the MIDI Out port is 
> duplicated 
> >   on 
> >   > the MIDI Thru port. The easiest way to trouble shoot is to 
> remove 
> >   > the RM1x from the MIDI chain. Simply go AN1x MIDI Out --> 
> XL1 
> >   > MIDI In for trouble shooting.
> >   > 
> >   > I suspect either 1) the MOD Wheel is not zeroed out, i.e., 
all 
> the 
> >   > way down, and is modulating the LFO Speed or LFO Depth 
> on 
> >   > the XL1 or 2) he's applying enough key pressure on the 
> AN1x to 
> >   > trigger the aftertouch which is modulating some parameter 
> on 
> >   > his XL1 (just as the MOD Wheel would.)
> >   > 
> >   > Hope this helps.
> >   > 
> >   > regards,
> >   > 
> >   > Jon
> >   > 
> >   > --- In AN1x-list@y..., "jez creek" <jez@j...> wrote:
> >   > > If the out of the an1x is connected to the rm1x then it 
> cannot be 
> >   > affecting
> >   > > the xl1, it is most probable that the source of your 
problem 
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> is 
> >   > the rm1x as
> >   > > it's midi data is copied out of the an1x thru.
> >   > > Jez Creek
> >   > > http://www.shadowdancer.info
> >   > > 
> >   > >  -----Original Message-----
> >   > > From: kollegekid12345 [mailto:kollegekid12345@y...]
> >   > > Sent: 14 October 2002 00:11
> >   > > To: AN1x-list@y...
> >   > > Subject: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > >   im using the an1x to trigger the sounds from a sound 
> >   > module... the
> >   > >   porblem is.. the an1x adds some type of modulation to 
> >   > external
> >   > >   sounds.. its some type of modulation (fine up and down 
> picth 
> >   > changes)
> >   > >   that are annyoing as heck when putting together any type 
> of 
> >   > melody. i
> >   > >   dont understand how the an1x is automatically effecting 
> my 
> >   > sound
> >   > >   modules sounds.
> >   > > 
> >   > >   my MIDI set up is
> >   > > 
> >   > >   rm1x out > an1x in
> >   > >   an1x thru > xtreme lead (sound module) in
> >   > >   an1x out > rm1x in
> >   > > 
> >   > >   thanks
> >   > >   dave
> >   > >
> > 
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Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-21 by Bruce Wahler

Hi Dave,

>ok, heres the deal. the an1x transmits a bunch of data via MIDI out. 
>after messing with the portamento and PEG/LFO knobs and other knobs 
>too.. ive realized that the an1x can drastically change sounds from 
>an external tone generator, unwanted for the most part, but i think 
>these effects might be useful sometime. i cant figure out how to cut 
>off all this MIDI data from being transmited, BUT i can filter the 
>data from being recorded using the rm1x MIDI settings. although, i 
>still hear unwanted effects (portamento especially) when im recording 
>a track or improvisng. so basically i think there is no way i can 
>stop the an1x from transmiting all this extra data via MIDI out, but 
>i can filter it from being recorded into my sequencer. thanks for all 
>the replies.

You can turn off most of them.  Either AN1xEdit or the "Ctrl" section on pages 95 and 96 of the Owner's Manual will allow you to change the MIDI CC# of the Mod Wheel, foot pedals, ribbon controller, and the programmable knobs.  You can even set some or all of the above to Off.  You cannot, however, change the Portamento switch.

Regards,

-BW

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Re: [AN1x] FRUSTRATING! BAH.. can i get some help

2002-10-21 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "kollegekid12345" <kollegekid12345@y...> 
wrote:
> ok, heres the deal. the an1x transmits a bunch of data via MIDI 
out. 

Yes, it does.

Try this - Power off your AN1x; Hold down the [ASSIGN] button on 
the front panel while powering on the AN1x; Either "mode1" or 
"mode2" will display on the LCD during the start-up procedure.

While in Mode 1 the AN1x adheres to the MIDI standard for 
Control Change messages - while in Mode 2 the AN1x has a 
special list of CC parameters so that nearly *every* parameter 
can be automated via MIDI CCs. You'll find a table documenting 
the Control Change Modes on page 9 of the AN1x Data List - and 
you'll find the above procedure documented on page 96 of the 
Owner's Manual. If you don't already have hard copies of the 
documentation you'll find PDF versions for download in the Files 
section here at Yahoo! Groups 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files


> after messing with the portamento and PEG/LFO knobs and 
other knobs 
> too.. ive realized that the an1x can drastically change sounds 
from 
> an external tone generator, unwanted for the most part, but i 
think 
> these effects might be useful sometime. i cant figure out how 
to cut 
> off all this MIDI data from being transmited, BUT i can filter the 
> data from being recorded using the rm1x MIDI settings. 
although, i 
> still hear unwanted effects (portamento especially) when im 
recording 

The status byte for Portamento is either On or Off - MIDI CC #065 
- you can use the Portamento button on the front panel of the 
AN1x to disable Portamento - the required MIDI CCC will be 
transmitted to your sound module regardless of which mode 
your AN1x is in.


> a track or improvisng. so basically i think there is no way i can 
> stop the an1x from transmiting all this extra data via MIDI out, 
but 
> i can filter it from being recorded into my sequencer. thanks for 
all 
> the replies.
> 

See above.


regards,

Jon

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