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Oh, sorry..............guess I should have said...............lets hear
things relevent to the list please and not someones self promotion/ drivel
on what they did last saturday night....oh yeah, thanks in advance. Oh and
here the tip: Well 2 actually. First when you play your AN1X turn it on
first. 2) When you play your AN1X live be sure to play it well, in context,
tastefully even but then be sure to be humble about your great playing and
have no egotistical reason to tell everyone about it and waste bandwidth by
pretending to be a star. Be sure to only ask relevent questions and give
relevent information unlike what I am doing here which is again, a waste of
bandwidth. Till that time....................r

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>       3. The idiosyncracies of the VCA feedback parameter
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>    Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:38:13 -0500
>    From: "Rich Allen" <skyclad@...>
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> hey I got my synth out last night...........twiddles on it for a few
minutes
> and put it back up.............later I imagined myself as a
> star...............then I made dinner.........the end...........ric
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> >    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:17:07 -0000
> >    From: "spaceanimals" <alciere@...>
> > Subject: gig last night
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> > Dusted off the keyboard and played a gig last night. We did a bunch
> > of originals and old rock and roll. Not easy to fit the AN1X into the
> > mix. I put a synth lead on a funk blues tune, and added some weird
> > rumblings and flying saucer noises to All Along the Watch Tower.
> > Still, I found myself mostly playing the cheesy organ setting on my
> > vintage keys for most of the keyboard stuff.
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>    Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:55:49 -0000
>    From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 615
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> --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Rich Allen" <skyclad@b...> wrote:
> > hey I got my synth out last night...........twiddles on it for a few
minutes

> > and put it back up.............later I imagined myself as a
> > star...............then I made dinner.........the end...........ric
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> This is uncalled for. Might I suggest next time you follow up with
> something more constructive - perhaps a user tip or some new voices -
> rather then belittle an innocuous post from another list member.
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> Thanks in advance.
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>    Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:55:55 -0000
>    From: "tuskermusic" <tuskerfort@...>
> Subject: The idiosyncracies of the VCA feedback parameter
>
> The VCA feedback parameter is one of my favorite features in this
> synth. I find that when I drive it up to about 90-110, it makes a
> number of my synth voices 'smoky' in a very musical way that cannot
> be matched by efx like overdrive, distortion and amp sim.
>
> Trouble is....the amount of smokiness appears to be proportional to
> the volume on the main volume knob. (left hand top corner of
> synth) ??????
>
> I am telling myself that this is a digital model, and the main volume
> (which I assume is a downstream amplifier) could not possibly be
> related to the amp feedback parameters characteristics. Yet when I
> turn down the main volume, I get the same type of reduction in smoke
> that I get when I turn down the VCA volume control.
>
> Could this be so? If so why? And is there a way for me to get around
> the practical problem this presents:
>
> Most of my patches go into the mixing board at 50% main volume and I
> don't want to tell the sound guy..." I am going to play a smoky patch
> at this point... turn down the gain on my signal, because I am going
> to double the gain at the synthesizer for this particular patch"
>
> I guess I could go back and redo all my patches for volume, but it
> may have impacts on timbre, and I hate to not have the use of that
> master volume control. Any advice?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jerry
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> PS: This thing rocks.
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Rich Allen" <skyclad@b...> wrote:
> Oh, sorry..............guess I should have said...............lets 
hear
> things relevent to the list please 

Exactly! So why don´t you simply shut your mouth and keep your flames 
to yourself? Jimmy has been a long time on this group and has already 
posted a lot of constructive postings. But you, my friend, i don´t 
remember seeing your nickname so far in a good posting recently, i 
don´t remember seeing your nickname AT ALL!

So why don´t you contribute some usefull postings first, before you 
start flaming other people you even don´t know!

Otherwise, Jon and the other list moderators will do steps to ban you 
from this group.

--Tom (List Co-Moderator)

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Bastiaan van de Werk" <bazziman@h...> wrote:
> Folks, it's allmost christmas so be nice!
Well, honestly we should be nice all year long...:)

> 
> Hey anybody interested in some kick ass 909 snares I got from my 
>an1x?
YES, ME! ME! PICK ME! ;) (someone seen Shrek? :O)

> Some half decent Kickdrums as well, but the snares are spot-on 909! 
Great upload them AND let´s do a tutorial.

At the moment I don´t dig too deep into the AN1x, mostly i tweak some 
sounds from the group, or i take the AN1x-Genetix and tweak those a 
bit, got already some interesting sounds out of it (and uploaded them 
to the group). One of those sounds like a typical Yello sound, those 
racing-car noise.

>Maybe we should have a round of nice tutorials instead of just 
>uploading yet another bank. 
As i said...both...:)

>Everybody takes one sound they are really proud of and than tell us 
>step by step how it was created....well?

Allright, here´s one from the Waldorf Attack(TM) manual:

Roland TR808 Bass Drum
On the Roland TR-808, this sound was made by one filter with a high 
rsonance settingh, triggered by short impulse. Two controls were 
provided to adjust the bassdrum:"Tone" was used to set the pitch by 
chnging the filter´s cutoff frequency, und "Deacay" was used to set 
its resonance, which in turn controlled the decay rate.
On the Attack (AN1x), you could use the filter´s self-oscillation by 
triggering it with a short noise impulse made by the second 
oscillator, whose volume you can control by an envelope.
But a better way is to use Oscillator 1 playing a sine wave, and by 
changing the initial click impulse by means of the filter.

Happy tweaking!

--Tom

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Rich Allen" <skyclad@b...> wrote:
> Oh, sorry..............guess I should have said...............lets

Rich,
Tone it down or you'll find yourself banned from the list.

It's typically NOT a good idea to alienate the list membership and list 
moderators before you've even introduced yourself - let alone 
contributed something more useful than a juvenile attempt at sarcasm.

Also, please don't forward the entire list digest - edit down to the 
necesary bits of text, please. 

regards,

Jon Levinson - the other list moderator

> Hey anybody interested in some kick ass 909 snares I got from my 
an1x? Some half decent Kickdrums as well, but the snares are spot-on 
909! Maybe we should have a round of nice tutorials instead of just 
uploading yet another bank. Everybody takes one sound they are really 
proud of and than tell us step by step how it was created....well?

Bastiaan:

I'd love to get those snares. I volunteer to do a "tutorial" on a 
lead sound I have been using. I am quite proud of it. 

I think tutorials are really helpful because the sound is usually 
a 'local optimum' for the programmer. When we read the story of how 
the sound came to be, we get a good education on the trade-offs and 
the constraints.

I don't have a bank yet, so a tutorial is something I can do. :)

Cheers,

Jerry

Bastiaan,

that's a very good idea but... would you really like to try something from
AN200?

Greets,
Piotr

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Bastiaan van de Werk" <bazziman@h...> wrote:
> Folks, it's allmost christmas so be nice!
Well, honestly we should be nice all year long...:)


What the h... is Christmas????????

=o)

Jan

>What the h... is Christmas????????
It's a lie promoted by marketing companies to suck money out of your 
pocket like a crack whore thinking you have a couple of rocks stuck in 
your Japs eye.
-- 
See ya,

Reggie

--- In AN1x-list@y..., Reggie <reggie@t...> wrote:
> >What the h... is Christmas????????
> It's a lie promoted by marketing companies

Please, enough already. Start a new topic...preferably AN1x/synth 
related...

Jon

Look, although Rich's tone is a bit harsh, I think he may have been
responding to the original poster's comment about how it was "not easy to
fit the AN1x into the mix", which I found to be a bit weird.  Um, this
sounds like one of those problems with using the wrong tool for the job...
and since when did All Along the Watchtower have flying saucers in it?  ;-\

About the VCA feedback - I agree that this board rocks, but Ray's analysis
might be right - that is that the output stage can eaisly be overloaded.  I
think the manual even states that, so it offically becomes a "feature".  Ha,
so now you're back to some of the strangeness of true analog again, like
having to memorize where to set the volume knob for some patches.  I've got
to do exactly that memorization with my Roland MKS-50 (rack Alpha Juno),
which although it's a hybrid analog/digital and has presets... there are
some timbres that sound great at a certain digital setting (envelope
strength, filter resonance) which overloads the finals and gives ugly
clipping or way too much loudness.  When I back down on the digital
parameters to compensate, the patch loses its character ----- therefore, I
have to memorize the volume knob setting and back it off as much as
necessary to fit the mix.

Anyone else found this true?

Ed Edwards
Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel      \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdRetro-Progressive Rock\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd
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Folks, it's allmost christmas so be nice!

Hey anybody interested in some kick ass 909 snares I got from my an1x? Some half decent Kickdrums as well, but the snares are spot-on 909! Maybe we should have a round of nice tutorials instead of just uploading yet another bank. Everybody takes one sound they are really proud of and than tell us step by step how it was created....well?

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  From: tomfinegan 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:04 PM
  Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Digest Number 616


  --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Rich Allen" <skyclad@b...> wrote:
  > Oh, sorry..............guess I should have said...............lets 
  hear
  > things relevent to the list please 

  Exactly! So why don´t you simply shut your mouth and keep your flames 
  to yourself? Jimmy has been a long time on this group and has already 
  posted a lot of constructive postings. But you, my friend, i don´t 
  remember seeing your nickname so far in a good posting recently, i 
  don´t remember seeing your nickname AT ALL!

  So why don´t you contribute some usefull postings first, before you 
  start flaming other people you even don´t know!

  Otherwise, Jon and the other list moderators will do steps to ban you 
  from this group.

  --Tom (List Co-Moderator)


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Well okay...it will be the snare...lemme go write it ans i'll post it...

after this: the BDRUM and the CLAP...





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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> wrote:
> When I back down on the digital
> parameters to compensate, the patch loses its character ----- 
therefore, I
> have to memorize the volume knob setting and back it off as much as
> necessary to fit the mix.
> 
> Anyone else found this true?

Indeed the AN1x likes to overload easily and it´s sometimes hard to 
figure out, at what level it doesn´t and still everything sounds 
fine. Maybe also an EQ-adjustment might help. Especially it overloads 
in the lower frequencies (but could be also the sounds i use ;).

Tom

Hi Jon

     This was just a bit of fun...............no harm was intended.......

Regards
Jan

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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:35 AM
Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Digest Number 616


> --- In AN1x-list@y..., Reggie <reggie@t...> wrote:
> > >What the h... is Christmas????????
> > It's a lie promoted by marketing companies
> 
> Please, enough already. Start a new topic...preferably AN1x/synth 
> related...
> 
> Jon
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At 10:18 AM 12/19/01 +0100, PERGAMON wrote:
>Hi Jon
>
>      This was just a bit of fun...............no harm was intended.......
>
>Regards
>Jan


Actually the lie promoted by marketing companies is really Valentine's Day. 
But don't worry, we'll get to trash that one in a couple months...   :)

Elson

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: . groove to the futurethnic beats of e:trinity at www.e-trinity.org and 
www.mp3.com/etrinity

UNIVERSAL TRUTH #107317: If a band has the word "soul" in their name, 
chances are they do NOT play soul music.


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> Actually the lie promoted by marketing companies is really Valentine's
Day.
> But don't worry, we'll get to trash that one in a couple months...   :)
Elson,
Do you feel a nasty song about "synthetic holidays" coming on?  Please feel
inspired.

Ed Edwards
Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel      \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdRetro-Progressive Rock\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd
http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/227/ezekiels_wheel.html
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> wrote:
> Elson,
> Do you feel a nasty song about "synthetic holidays" coming on?  
Please feel
> inspired.

And to make it total social-criticism, he should call it "Synthetic 
Alcoholidays in Deathrow"....:)

I would let the AN1x play some nasty raw bassline, like Moloko uses 
on "Fun For Me", along with some metallic klong from my DX and those 
mean clean umphtzz out of my RS.

--Tom

Guys, guys... I'm away for some two weeks on my honeymoon in Italy
(beautiful country, really) and we're getting hostile already. Can't I leave
you alone for that long? :)

From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>

> It's typically NOT a good idea to alienate the list membership and list
> moderators before you've even introduced yourself - let alone
> contributed something more useful than a juvenile attempt at sarcasm.

The problem with communication over the internet is that you only get the
10% content of what you'd have with face to face conversation, which
consists of 60% body language, 30% intonation and only 10% the actual
wording. So careful wording is very important, as is knowing what and what
not to send. It has taken me ten years so far, and I won't claim not to
still make mistakes.

As for the "the moderator is gonna have your ass" bits I read in this and
other mails, my personal opinion is that a community is pretty capable of
regulating itself, and that the only *really* unacceptable behaviour is
personal insults (like if I would call Jon a wanker, or something, which of
course I wouldn't dream of :) ).

- Peter