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Logic Environments for AN* synths

Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-23 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

I've added a Logic Folder to the Files section and uploaded a number of 
Logic Environments for use with the AN* synths:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files

The Jetronic Homepage .zip has the fantastic Step Sequencer and 
Variation Effect Environments. These are absolutely awesome, IMO. You 
should check out his site too:

http://home.debitel.net/user/rutzen/index.htm

The PLG150AN Enviroment is designed for the PLG150AN card (obviously) 
but, since it's all in SysEx there's no reason it won't work with the 
AN1x proper too! The user who made this provided a text file with some 
details. Apparently he uses the card in a S80 so this env should be of 
interest to CS6x users on the list. I liberated this from the user 
group collection at Swiftkick.com

The third enviroment is AN1x CCM and this is my own. There are three 
layers to this enviroment: AN1x Mode 1, AN1x Mode 2, and AN1x LFO. 
Check out the Control Change Modes table on page 9 of the Data List 
book and you'll quickly see what's what. Your AN1x *must* be in mode 2 
for the Mode 2 and LFO layers to work correctly. The AN1x LFO layer is 
just something I through together where you can reference the LFO1 and 
LFO2 Speed parameters by the actual Herz values as opposed to the 1-256 
values displayed on the AN1x. I might do something more with this layer 
- but I'm uncertain at this point where to take it. But it's a simple 
enough matter for you to cut and paste the bits you like for your own 
environment. BTW - a multi-instrument is included with the preset Voice 
names too.

The only advantage my environment offers over the PLG150AN env is that 
mine is entirely MIDI CC's where as his is entirely in SysEx. That 
means less hogging of the MIDI bandwidth but, as mentioned, your AN1x 
must be in Mode 2. The PLG150AN env is prettier, by far, then mine and 
does not require you to place your AN1x into Mode 2. IMO, there's no 
reason not to use Mode 2.

Credit where credit is due:

My env is a version of the original logic env provided by Yamaha in one 
of their original download files ('Quickdisc Tutorial Set'.) I added 
the missing Knob Parameter groups and reset buttons. The code for the 
reset buttons was lifted from an Ensoniq MR env and reworked 
accordingly to fit the AN1x parameters ;-)  *Big thx to Reg* for 
getting me started with the SysEx in the AN1x LFO layer. The LFO Herz 
values are from the spreadsheet provided by Yamaha Japan earlier this 
year (alos available for download in the Files section.)

If you have any questions, comments, or feedback - let me know.

regards,

Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-24 by ginger@intercom.es

Hello Jon. I'm a Logic user, but I can't quite understand the 
usefulness of an environment for the AN1x: if you can tweak all 
parameters on the synth dead easily, and you can do the same on 
AN1xEdit, what's the point of also being able to do it in Logic? Or 
are you using it for something that hasn't occurred to me yet? (Apart 
from the Hz readings instead of "meaningless" number values, which I 
can dig. And the fact that AN1xEdit and Logic won't run at the same 
time. And so as not to have to move your gaze from the monitor. Huh, 
guess I've just worked it out....)

Cheers,
Mart
(I've added my set-up to the database as well)

 --- In AN1x-list@y..., jondl_2000@y... wrote:
> I've added a Logic Folder to the Files section and uploaded a 
number of 
> Logic Environments for use with the AN* synths:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files
> 
> The Jetronic Homepage .zip has the fantastic Step Sequencer and 
> Variation Effect Environments. These are absolutely awesome, IMO. 
You 
> should check out his site too:
> 
> http://home.debitel.net/user/rutzen/index.htm
> 
> The PLG150AN Enviroment is designed for the PLG150AN card 
(obviously) 
> but, since it's all in SysEx there's no reason it won't work with 
the 
> AN1x proper too! The user who made this provided a text file with 
some 
> details. Apparently he uses the card in a S80 so this env should be 
of 
> interest to CS6x users on the list. I liberated this from the user 
> group collection at Swiftkick.com
> 
> The third enviroment is AN1x CCM and this is my own. There are 
three 
> layers to this enviroment: AN1x Mode 1, AN1x Mode 2, and AN1x LFO. 
> Check out the Control Change Modes table on page 9 of the Data List 
> book and you'll quickly see what's what. Your AN1x *must* be in 
mode 2 
> for the Mode 2 and LFO layers to work correctly. The AN1x LFO layer 
is 
> just something I through together where you can reference the LFO1 
and 
> LFO2 Speed parameters by the actual Herz values as opposed to the 1-
256 
> values displayed on the AN1x. I might do something more with this 
layer 
> - but I'm uncertain at this point where to take it. But it's a 
simple 
> enough matter for you to cut and paste the bits you like for your 
own 
> environment. BTW - a multi-instrument is included with the preset 
Voice 
> names too.
> 
> The only advantage my environment offers over the PLG150AN env is 
that 
> mine is entirely MIDI CC's where as his is entirely in SysEx. That 
> means less hogging of the MIDI bandwidth but, as mentioned, your 
AN1x 
> must be in Mode 2. The PLG150AN env is prettier, by far, then mine 
and 
> does not require you to place your AN1x into Mode 2. IMO, there's 
no 
> reason not to use Mode 2.
> 
> Credit where credit is due:
> 
> My env is a version of the original logic env provided by Yamaha in 
one 
> of their original download files ('Quickdisc Tutorial Set'.) I 
added 
> the missing Knob Parameter groups and reset buttons. The code for 
the 
> reset buttons was lifted from an Ensoniq MR env and reworked 
> accordingly to fit the AN1x parameters ;-)  *Big thx to Reg* for 
> getting me started with the SysEx in the AN1x LFO layer. The LFO 
Herz 
> values are from the spreadsheet provided by Yamaha Japan earlier 
this 
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> year (alos available for download in the Files section.)
> 
> If you have any questions, comments, or feedback - let me know.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-25 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> Hello Jon. I'm a Logic user, but I can't quite understand the 
> usefulness of an environment for the AN1x: if you can tweak all 
> parameters on the synth dead easily, and you can do the same on 
> AN1xEdit, what's the point of also being able to do it in Logic?

In a word: automation. It nice to have ALL the parameters available 
from one screen for quick and easy automation. Think of Logic as a 
great big, "Free EG" - get it? 

Have you checked out the amazing Jetsonic environments? Tell me the 
Step Sequencer isn't more inviting to programming from that env then 
from the front panel. And having access to ALL an effects parameters 
within a disply is handy too.

Not to mention those users with a PLG150AN card attached to a SW1000XG 
thingy or a MU rack mount or Plugstation or CS6x or S80. 

Or 
> are you using it for something that hasn't occurred to me yet? (Apart 
> from the Hz readings instead of "meaningless" number values, which I 
> can dig. And the fact that AN1xEdit and Logic won't run at the same 
> time. And so as not to have to move your gaze from the monitor. Huh, 
> guess I've just worked it out....)

What's up with Logic and AN1xEdit not running simultaneously? Are you 
on Win or Mac (I don't recall if you've said so.) I'm able to use Logic 
Audio and AN1xEdit simultaneously using OMS on a Power Mac G3 w/ OS 
9.1. If you're on a Mac I'll be happy to discuss my configuration with 
you.

regards,

Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-27 by ginger@intercom.es

> What's up with Logic and AN1xEdit not running simultaneously? Are 
you 
> on Win or Mac (I don't recall if you've said so.) I'm able to use 
Logic 
> Audio and AN1xEdit simultaneously using OMS on a Power Mac G3 w/ OS 
> 9.1. If you're on a Mac I'll be happy to discuss my configuration 
with 
> you.

I use a PC. I don't know why they don't work together, and I haven't 
investigated it at all, so, er, er, god knows. I'm sure they CAN run 
side by side, but my PC and the version of Logic Audio I use (special 
kind of Silver that comes with the MaxiSound Isis card) have never 
got on very well anyway: lots of error messages, system overloads, 
crap like that. It all worked a dream with the Audiowerk 8 I used to 
have and with the previous Isis drivers, but then I installed the new 
ones and it all went a bit mad.

Sorry, this really has nothing at all to do with the AN1x, so I'll 
shut up. But it's funny, I can get Logic to run with ReBirth and 
FruityLoops, just not AN1xEdit.

Cheers,
Mart
(will be installing those environments tonight, I'll let you know...)

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-27 by Timo Sandholm

Hello,

> > What's up with Logic and AN1xEdit not running simultaneously? Are

It might be that AN1xEdit and Logic are both trying to get control of the
same midi ports. To solve the problem you're going to need virtual midi
cable for example Hubi's Virtual Midi Cable.

To keep conversation under the current topic ;-) ...

I downloaded Logic environment for PLG(ungh what it was) to use it with
AN200... but I cannot get it working. When I open it to logic it says
converting from mac version (- yes, I'm using PC) then if I click one of the
objects in the environment it gives me error message something like (hope I
can remember it even somehow correctly): Illegal data, please delete and
create all obejcts again).

Anyone having working AN* environment for PC???

Cheers,
TimoS

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-27 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@u...> 
wrote:

> 
> To keep conversation under the current topic ;-) ...
> 
> I downloaded Logic environment for PLG(ungh what it was) to 
use it with
> AN200... but I cannot get it working. When I open it to logic it 
says
> converting from mac version (- yes, I'm using PC) then if I click 
one of the
> objects in the environment it gives me error message 
something like (hope I
> can remember it even somehow correctly): Illegal data, please 
delete and
> create all obejcts again).
> 
> Anyone having working AN* environment for PC???

The environments are crossplatform. There is no 'Mac or PC' 
type for enviroments. The fact that it imported and you can see 
the individual faders is proof enough.

First guess: Y need to update the PLG150AN object in the 
PLG150AN env to match the MIDI port and definition of your 
AN200. This env has a PLG150AN defined to a S80 which 
obviously does not match your set-up. 

The other possibility: Could be the SysEx identifier for the AN200 
is different from the PLG150AN. This is possible and would 
require massive updates to the PLG150AN env as each fader 
objects in this env are coded with the appropriate SysEx string 
for that function. Not fun. You might want to try one of the other 
env's coded w/ MIDI CC's and see if your AN200 responds. 
Check the MIDI Implementation chart for your AN200 - does it 
match up to the AN1x? You can find this info in the online 
manual. Is there an online version of the AN200 manual?

good luck.

Jon

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-27 by Timo Sandholm

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the answer... though I'm new with logic so the error might be
there too.  Currently I'm reading users manual and beginners guide to the
environment just to understand whole concept behind the program :-/  ...
it's not the easiest one to get up and running... but I'll try your
suggestions and let's see what happens.

AN200 should match to AN1x sysex vice, though some parameters are different.
AN200 online manual you can find here http://www.yamaha.co.uk and then click
on manual library...

Cheers,
TimoS

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-27 by Andrea TONI

Hello,

yes is on line at
 
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/menu_f.html

but u need to subscribe 
very useful place many Yamaha manual on line even for old gears 

I have the an200.pdf but is 7 mega can I upload it 
or is it too big ? 

ciao

Regards

-------------------------------------ENV1-----ENV2---ENV3--------------
Andrea TONI                          VCO1 \    |      |
Solar System and Space               VCO2-->--VCF--->VCA---->DUCATI 996 
Science Division (SO)                VCO3 /    |      | 
-------------------------------------LFO1-----LFO2---LFO3--------------
email: Andrea.Toni@...           http://solarsystem.estec.esa.nl
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> manual. Is there an online version of the AN200 manual?
> 
> good luck.
> 
> Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-27 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Andrea TONI" <Andrea.Toni@e...> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> yes is on line at
>  
> http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/menu_f.html
> 
> but u need to subscribe 
> very useful place many Yamaha manual on line even for old gears 
> 
> I have the an200.pdf but is 7 mega can I upload it 
> or is it too big ? 
> 


Thx for the link. No, don't upload it to the files section we've less 
then 2 MB (of 20 MB total) left! Need to clean-up...


Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-28 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@u...> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> 
> Thanks for the answer... though I'm new with logic so the error
might be
> there too.  Currently I'm reading users manual and beginners guide
to the
> environment just to understand whole concept behind the program :-/
 ...
> it's not the easiest one to get up and running... but I'll try your
> suggestions and let's see what happens.

Try this (after importing the PLG150AN Env):

In the Environment, go to the layer 'Clicks & Ports'

Locate the object 'PLG-AN150'; Click on the icon of the MIDI port 
immediately above the 4x4 grid of the multi-instrument; On the left 
hand side of your screen you should see the parameter box for the 
instrument object; Click on the space adjacent to where it says Port 
and choose the port your AN200 MIDI in/out connection is attached; 
Then, where it says Cha select ALL. 

Now, back to the PLG-AN150 object - the 4x4 grid represents the 16 
available MIDI channels in a multi-instrument (that's Emagic-speak 
for multitimbral device). Click on the numbered grid box, '1' for 
example, that you have set up your AN200 to receive on; Double 
check the parameter box setting for Channel 1 are correct, i.e., Port 
should equal the physical port and Cha should equal '1'. You should 
now be able to toggle to the Arrange page in Logic and set a track 
to play your AN200 on Cha 1. If this is working then you can go to
the 
Environment layer 'PLG150AN' and the SysEx commands should be 
received correctly by the AN200. I tested is again with my AN1x and 
it works fine - occasionally the AN1x will complain of a SysEx 
receive error :-( but that's no big deal.

It's important to remember that this is a one way connection, i.e., 
Logic will not know the parameter values of the active Voice in your 
AN200. When you move a slider in this environment you are sending 
a SysEx string with parameter values that will overwrite the active 
Voice so, while it similar to a parameter offset, it's really not.
Make 
sense? For all intents is the same thing...

> 
> AN200 should match to AN1x sysex vice, though some parameters are
different.
> AN200 online manual you can find here http://www.yamaha.co.uk and
then click
> on manual library...

I downloaded the manual and gave it a *quick* once over. It looks 
like the LSB/MSB Device Number Code are NOT the same for the 
AN200 ( 02H 05H ) as the AN1x ( 1A 02 ). This is not my strong suite
but 
I suspect this could be a problem?!

> 
> Cheers,
> TimoS

Good luck,

Jon

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-28 by Timo Sandholm

Hi Jon,

I Got it working, I just needed to delete those objects which were created
by logic I guess, I don't know what objects they were but they have General
Midi icon ??? Then I just changed the midi output port (driver?) in every
possible place in the environment and it worked... at least I was able to
change voice settings of my AN200.

But yes, there are some little differences, most parameters are working ok,
but for example I was not able to switch on unison mode. So it seems that
there are some things to change  - oh, my where I'm going to steal some
extra time to examine and do those - anyway it will be easier to start
working with that environment than start it from nothing.

One (stupid?) question still, since I was little short with time yesterday
evening I didn't have time to try real sequencing with environment
involved - I just tried some sound tweaking. So I wonder does Logic work
this way: if I open Logic file with some sequencing and environment for my
AN200 and in the environment there are voice settings set, will Logic
automatically send those settings to my synth?

Cheers,
TimoS

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-28 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@u...> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> 
> I Got it working, I just needed to delete those objects which were created
> by logic I guess, I don't know what objects they were but they have General
> Midi icon ??? Then I just changed the midi output port (driver?) in every
> possible place in the environment and it worked... at least I was able to
> change voice settings of my AN200.

Okay, I'm 99% certain you didn't need to take any action on any other 
env object other than the 'PLG-150AN' object but that's okay - you got 
it working! That's terrific!!! :-)


> 
> But yes, there are some little differences, most parameters are working ok,
> but for example I was not able to switch on unison mode. So it seems that
> there are some things to change  - oh, my where I'm going to steal some
> extra time to examine and do those - anyway it will be easier to start
> working with that environment than start it from nothing.

I didn't test *every* parameter with my AN1x so I can't say off the top 
of my head whether the same is true or not. It works in the environment 
layer _I_ made :-P ha ha ha

> 
> One (stupid?) question still, since I was little short with time yesterday
> evening I didn't have time to try real sequencing with environment
> involved - I just tried some sound tweaking. So I wonder does Logic work
> this way: if I open Logic file with some sequencing and environment for my
> AN200 and in the environment there are voice settings set, will Logic
> automatically send those settings to my synth?

The answer is: it depends.

Logic will automatically send volume, pan, patch changes if the 
preferences are set to do so...don't recall where this pref setting is 
made :-( As for the Fader settings, I'm almost certain this can be done 
too but I don't know how without cracking the manual. Think I saw this 
very topic on the Logic users list. I think this is an option you'd 
want to use with some caution, yes? Yes.

> 
> Cheers,
> TimoS

regards,

Jon

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-29 by Timo Sandholm

> > this way: if I open Logic file with some sequencing and environment for
my
> > AN200 and in the environment there are voice settings set, will Logic
> > automatically send those settings to my synth?
>
> The answer is: it depends.
>
> Logic will automatically send volume, pan, patch changes if the
> preferences are set to do so...don't recall where this pref setting is
> made :-( As for the Fader settings, I'm almost certain this can be done
> too but I don't know how without cracking the manual. Think I saw this
> very topic on the Logic users list. I think this is an option you'd
> want to use with some caution, yes? Yes.

Why? ... So are you saying that it is not good thing to use environment to
set up your synth when you open sequence??? I would like environment to be
like synth editor too, so what I need to do is just power up my AN200 and
never need to touch its settings by hand because everything will be setup
when I open my Logic song. Is that not possible? Reason for this is that if
AN200 does not support one patch sysex dumps, using environment would be
good workaround, plus I will gain one extra feature: access to all hidden
parameters. :-) ...

Cheers,
TimoS

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-29 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@u...> wrote:
> > > this way: if I open Logic file with some sequencing and environment for
> my
> > > AN200 and in the environment there are voice settings set, will Logic
> > > automatically send those settings to my synth?
> >
> > The answer is: it depends.
> >
> > Logic will automatically send volume, pan, patch changes if the
> > preferences are set to do so...don't recall where this pref setting is
> > made :-( 


Duh. This is done in the Parameter box on the left hand side of the 
Arrange page for each active Track. 


As for the Fader settings, I'm almost certain this can be done
> > too but I don't know how without cracking the manual. Think I saw this
> > very topic on the Logic users list. I think this is an option you'd
> > want to use with some caution, yes? Yes.
> 
> Why? ... So are you saying that it is not good thing to use environment to
> set up your synth when you open sequence??? I would like environment to be
> like synth editor too, so what I need to do is just power up my AN200 and
> never need to touch its settings by hand because everything will be setup
> when I open my Logic song. Is that not possible? 


Yes, I believe it is but, like I said - I don't recall how without 
opening the manual. Also, what if you have a Voice stored on your AN200 
and you 'automatically' overwrite it when your Logic env loads? This is 
the type of thing you need to keep in mind when using automation. Maybe 
it wouldn't be a problem for you...I can't say.



Jon

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-29 by Timo Sandholm

> opening the manual. Also, what if you have a Voice stored on your AN200 
> and you 'automatically' overwrite it when your Logic env loads? This is 
> the type of thing you need to keep in mind when using automation. Maybe 
> it wouldn't be a problem for you...I can't say.

Oh, you shouldn't worry about me - I'm maniac to saving ;-D

Cheers,
TimoS

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-30 by ginger@intercom.es

OK, I whacked the AN1x environments into Logic yesterday, together 
with one I found for my recently acquired Roland MKS-50.

I recorded a sequence for the AN, and another for the Roland, and 
began to tweak. Great fun with the MKS-50, it faithfully did what it 
should both when recording tweaks and simply tweaking during 
playback, but I could only get the AN1x env to respond in record 
mode, which I thought was odd. What exactly is this business of Mode 
1 and Mode 2? Are we referring to the Layer button? I've checked the 
manual, but that provides little help.

Anyway I'm mighty impressed by the people that create these things; I 
wouldn't know where to start.

Cheers,
Mart



--- In AN1x-list@y..., jondl_2000@y... wrote:
> I've added a Logic Folder to the Files section and uploaded a 
number of 
> Logic Environments for use with the AN* synths:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files
> 
> The Jetronic Homepage .zip has the fantastic Step Sequencer and 
> Variation Effect Environments. These are absolutely awesome, IMO. 
You 
> should check out his site too:
> 
> http://home.debitel.net/user/rutzen/index.htm
> 
> The PLG150AN Enviroment is designed for the PLG150AN card 
(obviously) 
> but, since it's all in SysEx there's no reason it won't work with 
the 
> AN1x proper too! The user who made this provided a text file with 
some 
> details. Apparently he uses the card in a S80 so this env should be 
of 
> interest to CS6x users on the list. I liberated this from the user 
> group collection at Swiftkick.com
> 
> The third enviroment is AN1x CCM and this is my own. There are 
three 
> layers to this enviroment: AN1x Mode 1, AN1x Mode 2, and AN1x LFO. 
> Check out the Control Change Modes table on page 9 of the Data List 
> book and you'll quickly see what's what. Your AN1x *must* be in 
mode 2 
> for the Mode 2 and LFO layers to work correctly. The AN1x LFO layer 
is 
> just something I through together where you can reference the LFO1 
and 
> LFO2 Speed parameters by the actual Herz values as opposed to the 1-
256 
> values displayed on the AN1x. I might do something more with this 
layer 
> - but I'm uncertain at this point where to take it. But it's a 
simple 
> enough matter for you to cut and paste the bits you like for your 
own 
> environment. BTW - a multi-instrument is included with the preset 
Voice 
> names too.
> 
> The only advantage my environment offers over the PLG150AN env is 
that 
> mine is entirely MIDI CC's where as his is entirely in SysEx. That 
> means less hogging of the MIDI bandwidth but, as mentioned, your 
AN1x 
> must be in Mode 2. The PLG150AN env is prettier, by far, then mine 
and 
> does not require you to place your AN1x into Mode 2. IMO, there's 
no 
> reason not to use Mode 2.
> 
> Credit where credit is due:
> 
> My env is a version of the original logic env provided by Yamaha in 
one 
> of their original download files ('Quickdisc Tutorial Set'.) I 
added 
> the missing Knob Parameter groups and reset buttons. The code for 
the 
> reset buttons was lifted from an Ensoniq MR env and reworked 
> accordingly to fit the AN1x parameters ;-)  *Big thx to Reg* for 
> getting me started with the SysEx in the AN1x LFO layer. The LFO 
Herz 
> values are from the spreadsheet provided by Yamaha Japan earlier 
this 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> year (alos available for download in the Files section.)
> 
> If you have any questions, comments, or feedback - let me know.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-30 by Andrea TONI

Hello,

have a look at the extra data list manual 
there is a detail table of mode 1 midi and mode 2 
u have to be careful which one are u in , otherwise 
the midi CC will not work as u would expect them. 
U need , I think mode 2 in order to map all the CC to the 
editing parameters 

ciao

Regards

-------------------------------------ENV1-----ENV2---ENV3--------------
Andrea TONI                          VCO1 \    |      |
Solar System and Space               VCO2-->--VCF--->VCA---->DUCATI 996 
Science Division (SO)                VCO3 /    |      | 
-------------------------------------LFO1-----LFO2---LFO3--------------
email: Andrea.Toni@...           http://solarsystem.estec.esa.nl

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Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths


> OK, I whacked the AN1x environments into Logic yesterday, together
> with one I found for my recently acquired Roland MKS-50.
> 
> I recorded a sequence for the AN, and another for the Roland, and
> began to tweak. Great fun with the MKS-50, it faithfully did what it
> should both when recording tweaks and simply tweaking during
> playback, but I could only get the AN1x env to respond in record
> mode, which I thought was odd. What exactly is this business of Mode
> 1 and Mode 2? Are we referring to the Layer button? I've checked the
> manual, but that provides little help.
> 
> Anyway I'm mighty impressed by the people that create these things; I
> wouldn't know where to start.

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-30 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> OK, I whacked the AN1x environments into Logic yesterday, together 
> with one I found for my recently acquired Roland MKS-50.
> 
> I recorded a sequence for the AN, and another for the Roland, and 
> began to tweak. Great fun with the MKS-50, it faithfully did what it 
> should both when recording tweaks and simply tweaking during 
> playback, but I could only get the AN1x env to respond in record 
> mode, which I thought was odd. What exactly is this business of Mode 
> 1 and Mode 2? Are we referring to the Layer button? I've checked the 
> manual, but that provides little help.

See page 96 of the Owner's Manual and Page 9 of the Data List. I've 
replicated the instructions for changing modes in the Env help (text 
faders) as well.

And no, mode 1 & 2 have nothing to do with the Layer button. It's 
merely a "mode" where the AN1x will respond to MIDI CC's for each 
parameter.

Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-31 by ginger@intercom.es

Hi there,

Last night I tried to see which Mode my AN1x is in by following the 
instructions: power off, press and hold Assign, power on. Nothing 
happened. The synth just powered up as normal. I tried and tried, but 
to no avail. Any ideas why that could be (or another way of finding 
out about the Mode it's in)?

Gggrrrrr.....

Cheers,
Mart



--- In AN1x-list@y..., jondl_2000@y... wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> > OK, I whacked the AN1x environments into Logic yesterday, 
together 
> > with one I found for my recently acquired Roland MKS-50.
> > 
> > I recorded a sequence for the AN, and another for the Roland, and 
> > began to tweak. Great fun with the MKS-50, it faithfully did what 
it 
> > should both when recording tweaks and simply tweaking during 
> > playback, but I could only get the AN1x env to respond in record 
> > mode, which I thought was odd. What exactly is this business of 
Mode 
> > 1 and Mode 2? Are we referring to the Layer button? I've checked 
the 
> > manual, but that provides little help.
> 
> See page 96 of the Owner's Manual and Page 9 of the Data List. I've 
> replicated the instructions for changing modes in the Env help 
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> faders) as well.
> 
> And no, mode 1 & 2 have nothing to do with the Layer button. It's 
> merely a "mode" where the AN1x will respond to MIDI CC's for each 
> parameter.
> 
> Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-31 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Last night I tried to see which Mode my AN1x is in by following the 
> instructions: power off, press and hold Assign, power on. Nothing 
> happened. The synth just powered up as normal. I tried and tried, but 
> to no avail. Any ideas why that could be (or another way of finding 
> out about the Mode it's in)?
> 
> Gggrrrrr.....
> 
> Cheers,
> Mart

Either 'mode 1' or 'mode 2' will display on the LCD at power up. There 
is no other action to take other than [ASSIGN] and [POWER] 
simultaneously. 

There had been another user some months ago with the same problem 
description. We never pinned it down as to what was happening with his 
AN1x. Try again and pay attention to the LCD - if still nothing 
than...?!?

Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-31 by ginger@intercom.es

> AN1x. Try again and pay attention to the LCD - if still nothing 
> than...?!?
> 
> Jon

Man, you make me out like an idiot!

(sigh)

I'll keep trying though...

Have a good weekend,
Mart

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths

2001-08-31 by jondl_2000@yahoo.com

--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> > AN1x. Try again and pay attention to the LCD - if still nothing 
> > than...?!?
> > 
> > Jon
> 
> Man, you make me out like an idiot!
> 
> (sigh)
> 
> I'll keep trying though...
> 
> Have a good weekend,
> Mart

No offense intended.

Jon

Re: Logic Environments for AN* synths -> solution?

2001-08-31 by jeroenbaar@yahoo.com

> Either 'mode 1' or 'mode 2' will display on the LCD at power up. 
There is no other action to take other than [ASSIGN] and [POWER] 
> simultaneously. 
> There had been another user some months ago with the same problem 
> description. We never pinned it down as to what was happening with 
his AN1x. 

My AN1X has the same problem, there is no status-screen for mode 1 or 
2. I have figured it out, (a long time ago, don't know the details 
anymore) to see what commands/functions are in mode 2 and not in mode 
1, and trying to see what way the AN1X reacts to some tweaking with 
AN1X edit --> if nothing will happen to mode 2 commands (no change of 
sound), the AN1X must be in mode 1. If something happens with the 
sound the synth is in mode 2 --> I prefer mode 2 because you have 
more controle over the AN1X.

maybe this helps...???

bye,

Jeroen

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