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> programs....you can set up multiple desktops which is SWEEEEEET for live
> stuff.....

There are programs for Win that does that as well... Cant't remember the
name of it at the moment, but a little searching on some shareware-sites
should do the trick.

And if you like, you can always run litestep...

/Patrik

---
The primary purpose of wings is to prevent flight

im my opinion a desktop isnt too bulky unless it's a tower, and then it 
depends on the gig.....


I've used win 95, 98, and 2k professional (current) live....i've never had a 
problem.....all my stuff was pretty stable tho....win 98 there are certain 
programs i wouldnt use, but win2k i've used up to about 5-6 programs 
simultaneous...*sigh* i can't wait til Linux gets alot of sound 
programs....you can set up multiple desktops which is SWEEEEEET for live 
stuff.....

as far as midi, i pretty much don't use MIDI in live setup for my main part 
of my project....that's pretty much audio sequenced...i chop the shit out of 
everything and DSP the hell out of it...

ugh....i despise solitaire....what a horrible, horrible game to package with 
your OS...i guess its cause my X used to play it so much is why i hate it...

ash



Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:14:45 +0000

   From: PolHarris@...
Subject: Re: OT: Midi Live???

Just got interested in the subject matter here...

So, I'm getting ready to embark on a live music 
adventure with my trusty 486 laptop.

I figured that with running Cakewalk DOS 5.0 and a Midi-
man Serial midi port a 486 should be plenty of power to 
run the midi files, including some rather elaborate 
sysex setups. Besides, this way I can have a cheap 
backup computer. I have an MU-128 loaded with plg cards 
(VH, VL and PF). So far, it has been a matter of just 
making sure the sysex messages are placed a few ticks 
away from each other and getting rid of unneeded sysex 
messages.

My question is this: Does anyone use midi that 
extensively live? If so, how reliable is your setup? I 
have a friend that thinks I'm crazy and that midi is way 
too unreliable for what I'm trying to do. I have the MU 
controlling vcoder harmonies, guitar effects etc. My 
feeling is that at least DOS really doesn't crash like 
windows. Cakewalk 5.0 can be a little bit overwhelmed by 
a lot of sysex concentrated in one area, but really 
seems to be solid once everything is thinned out a bit.

Saw some Canadian software on the web yesterday for 
laptop musicians: "Showplay". It uses Win 95 minimum, 
but also has a serial midi setup and displays lyrics 
while the music is playing. Cool, but would worry about 
windows crashing during the gig.

Pablo



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>as far as midi, i pretty much don't use MIDI in live setup for my main part
>of my project....that's pretty much audio sequenced...i chop the shit out
of
>everything and DSP the hell out of it...

Is that due to experience with midid going crazy? So, you use pre-recorded
tracks? Or sequenced samples via midi?

> ugh....i despise solitaire....what a horrible, horrible game to package
with
> your OS...i guess its cause my X used to play it so much is why i hate
it...

Hey! I've got one of those too! What a ridiculous game!

From: <angelphkt@...>

> *sigh* i can't wait til Linux gets alot of sound
> programs....

Indeed you can't, 'cause it's not going to happen.

I've had this discussion before, but Linux, or any other Unix-ish operating
system, is a lousy desktop OS. These free Unices have been around for at
least five years now and nothing has come out that isn't available on either
Mac or Windows, and better and more sophisticated at that.

Server stuff yes, but the serious server programs are cross-platform anyway,
and often even build on the Win32 platform.

There's nothing that actually requires Linux specifically, and doesn't exist
in a more sophisticated incarnation elsewhere. Give me FreeBSD or Solaris
anytime.

If you want a Unix with a good desktop and software support, get Mac OS X
(in a few months).

> you can set up multiple desktops which is SWEEEEEET for live
> stuff.....

That's the first thing I switch off on my Unix desktops. :)

- Peter

>  *sigh* i can't wait til Linux gets alot of sound
>programs....


Er...you're going to be waiting quite a while. I can just picture a flock 
of flying pigs in the sky when those Linux audio programs come out.

Hate to break this to you, Linux is a superior networking OS but is 
woefully inadequate for multimedia applications (audio, video). *None* of 
the major German and American audio software companies has any plans for 
Linux platform programs. Heck, even the best bet for multimedia (BeOS which 
had waaaay more multimedia potential than Linux could ever wish for) had 
its development programs scrapped by Steinberg last year.




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: . groove to the futurethnic beats of e:trinity at www.e-trinity.org and 
www.mp3.com/etrinity

--- In AN1x-list@y..., Elson Trinidad <elson@w...> wrote:
> Heck, even the best bet for multimedia (BeOS which 
> had waaaay more multimedia potential than Linux could ever wish 
for) had 
> its development programs scrapped by Steinberg last year.

What do you think? How much money did Micro$oft pay Be?

At 11:28 AM 5/21/01 +0000, you wrote:
>--- In AN1x-list@y..., Elson Trinidad <elson@w...> wrote:
> > Heck, even the best bet for multimedia (BeOS which
> > had waaaay more multimedia potential than Linux could ever wish
>for) had
> > its development programs scrapped by Steinberg last year.
>
>What do you think? How much money did Micro$oft pay Be?

Er, I think you have your facts mixed up again. It's SONY that bought Be, 
not Microsoft.



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: . elson trinidad, los angeles, california, usa
: . elson@...  :  www.westworld.com/~elson
: . groove to the futurethnic beats of e:trinity at www.e-trinity.org and 
www.mp3.com/etrinity

>Oops, sorry, I thought you were the original poster. Never mind.

You don't have 'your facts mixed up again', you merely have your facts 
mixed up. :)



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: . elson trinidad, los angeles, california, usa
: . elson@...  :  www.westworld.com/~elson
: . groove to the futurethnic beats of e:trinity at www.e-trinity.org and 
www.mp3.com/etrinity

--- In AN1x-list@y..., Elson Trinidad <elson@w...> wrote:

> Er, I think you have your facts mixed up again. It's SONY that 
bought Be, 
> not Microsoft.
Really? I didn´t know that. I thought Be just changed their Business 
strategy...hm what do you think how many stocks does M$ own of 
Sony...;)

I appreciate all the inputs on live midi. I have decided 
to abandon DOS/Midiman Serial Portman due to the quirky 
limitations of Cakewalk 5.0 (no midi files over 199K in 
size!), and try the "ShowPlay" software, with their 
dedicated serial midi out on a 486 laptop. Their site 
seems to show some engineering real effort trying to 
make live midi play solid, and min setup is a 486SX w/ 
8M running Windows 95 (cheap on ebay!). In fact, they 
recommend 95 over 98 or Win ME due to lower overhead. 
B/W screens are also supported. This way, I can get 
lyric display also. If anyone's interested, I'll let you 
know how it works out. Canadian Technology! Here's their 
site:

http://sites.netscape.net/showplay

> --- In AN1x-list@y..., Elson Trinidad <elson@w...> wrote:
> 
> > Er, I think you have your facts mixed up again. It's SONY that 
> bought Be, 
> > not Microsoft.
> Really? I didn\ufffdt know that. I thought Be just changed their Business 
> strategy...hm what do you think how many stocks does M$ own of 
> Sony...;)
> 
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From: "Elson Trinidad" <elson@...>

> Er...you're going to be waiting quite a while. I can just picture a flock
> of flying pigs in the sky when those Linux audio programs come out.

Incidently, one of the two neck-ties I have features these flying pigs. :)
(Hey, it was a gift, I'm not really a tie-person.)

> Heck, even the best bet for multimedia (BeOS which
> had waaaay more multimedia potential than Linux could ever wish for) had
> its development programs scrapped by Steinberg last year.

Which was in no way unrelated to Be changing its strategy overnight, and
dropping all support for multimedia.

- Peter

From: "Elson Trinidad" <elson@...>

> Er, I think you have your facts mixed up again. It's SONY that bought Be,
> not Microsoft.

Duh! When did that happen?

I have an original version of both 4.0 (plus the 4.5 update) and 5.0
Professional, and by the looks of it that was a waste of money. I wanted to
support this product, but it didn't quite work out.

- Peter