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hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm, LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
I hope someone could help me.
Chears from Argentina!

Hello doc' !
you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
BUT ...
1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
keyboard.
2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
stuff .
3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
Cheers
J.F.




dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :

>
> hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> I hope someone could help me.
> Chears from Argentina!
>
>

A bit late now but you could have probably bought an AN1x for the same or less price as a (new) midi controller + An200. It makes a great controller too (the AN1X) and has some features the AN200 doesn't have.

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> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:53:36 +0200
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
>
> Hello doc' !
> you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> BUT ...
> 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> keyboard.
> 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> stuff .
> 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> Cheers
> J.F.
>
>
>
>
> dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> >
> > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > I hope someone could help me.
> > Chears from Argentina!
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Of course... a second hand AN1x could be cheaper than a "more than
basic" MIDI master keyboard. And it produces sound too... Never tried
the AN1x - AN200 duo, but i've heard that it is worth playing.
Cheers.
J.F.

Paul T a écrit :

>
>
>
> A bit late now but you could have probably bought an AN1x for the same
> or less price as a (new) midi controller + An200. It makes a great
> controller too (the AN1X) and has some features the AN200 doesn't have.
>
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> > From: jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:53:36 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> >
> > Hello doc' !
> > you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> > switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> > computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> > BUT ...
> > 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable,
> i.e.
> > you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> > available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> > keyboard.
> > 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> > chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> > stuff .
> > 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> > USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> > they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> > not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> > And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> > programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> > Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> > Cheers
> > J.F.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> > >
> > > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But
> when
> > > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in
> the
> > > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > > I hope someone could help me.
> > > Chears from Argentina!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hello Jeff !!
First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new, there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could open a whole new conception of "know How".
Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation but i dont understand a single word.
I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look for another one?
Thanks again for you time and patience!
Cheers from Argentina!!!!


--- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> escribió:

De: Jeff <jf.serviere@...>
Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53

Hello doc' !
you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
BUT ...
1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
keyboard.
2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
stuff .
3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
Cheers
J.F.




dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :

>
> hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> I hope someone could help me.
> Chears from Argentina!
>
>

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Hi Paul, thank you for the advice, but i live in Argentina and synth here are more expensive than in the states or Europe. I bought this one because i wanted desperately a synth and it was a really good oportunity.
Cheers from Argentina!

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A bit late now but you could have probably bought an AN1x for the same or less price as a (new) midi controller + An200. It makes a great controller too (the AN1X) and has some features the AN200 doesn't have.

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> From: jf.serviere@ wanadoo.fr

> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:53:36 +0200

> Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life

>

> Hello doc' !

> you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and

> switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any

> computer. And of course to play it with real keys...

> BUT ...

> 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.

> you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not

> available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the

> keyboard.

> 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation

> chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that

> stuff .

> 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an

> USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because

> they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and

> not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.

> And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,

> programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.

> Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.

> Cheers

> J.F.

>

>

>

>

> dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :

> >

> > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer

> > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with

> > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.

> > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i

> > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the

> > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a

> > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on

> > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when

> > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,

> > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the

> > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?

> > I hope someone could help me.

> > Chears from Argentina!

> >

> >

>

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Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :

>
> Hello Jeff !!
> First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new,
> there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound
> good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the
> substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other
> things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could
> open a whole new conception of "know How".
> Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in
> order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a
> newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have
> the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation
> but i dont understand a single word.
> I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this
> controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look
> for another one?
> Thanks again for you time and patience!
> Cheers from Argentina!!!!
>

Hello Nicolas !
i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without
keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the
AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have
one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments
before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user
friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but
nothing awful...such as the AN200.
MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments,
something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a
serial port, and a "common language" between all these different
instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc...
MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an
internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on
the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play,
others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable"
Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note,
velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic
piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths).
Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one
instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin
by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier
(brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send
and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the
hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the
sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in
the opposite way.
In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam
change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the
instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no
matter what is their brand and model.
You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites.
About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some
harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available
on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square,
triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a
different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only
odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds.
Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute,
saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ
or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get
into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen.
PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically
with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty
cycles add some even harmonics)
Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic
harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a
"metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation.
That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can
visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques".

Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in
my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the
file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the
AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a
saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc...

M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB,
and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB
AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one...
Cheers.
J.F.

>
>
> --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
>
> De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53
>
> Hello doc' !
> you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> BUT ...
> 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> keyboard.
> 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> stuff .
> 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> Cheers
> J.F.
>
> dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> >
> > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > I hope someone could help me.
> > Chears from Argentina!
> >
> >
>
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just to chime in ,....when you use the 'midi controller' just assign the knobs or sliders on the controller, to correspond/match the 'midi implementation chart' that will tell you what controller # controls what on the synth you want to control,....some synths like my studio electronics has controller midi #'s numbers that go up to 100 +,....i just picked up a novation remote zero but havent received it yet still in shipping ,...but looks to be a killer controller,...
akai mpk looks real nice and would probably be a great controller filled with features ,...(if you dont have an akai mpc of some sort or sequencer)
ps ,...i was in buenas aires a few years back and absolutely love argentina!!!!!!,..... the people the city and the beaches,... what a great country!!









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Hello Jeff !!
First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new, there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could open a whole new conception of "know How".
Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation but i dont understand a single word.
I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look for another one?
Thanks again for you time and patience!
Cheers from Argentina!!!!

--- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> escribió:

De: Jeff <jf.serviere@...>
Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53

Hello doc' !
you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
BUT ...
1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
keyboard.
2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
stuff .
3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
Cheers
J.F.

dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :

>
> hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> I hope someone could help me.
> Chears from Argentina!
>
>

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That's very interesting!
I would like to modify hidden parameters in real time.

Could you tell me, for example, how to assign the ring modulator control to an external midi keyboard?

get the 'ring mod' midi #,.... match that number on a knob or slider on the controller ,...the controller should have a section dedicated on it for assigning a control # to a knob or slider,...usually turning the slider or knob (or pushing it down)while in this menu of controller assignments will show you what control # the knobs are controlling.








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Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:38 am
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That's very interesting!
I would like to modify hidden parameters in real time.

Could you tell me, for example, how to assign the ring modulator control to an external midi keyboard?









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thanks audiomad but i know in theory how to do that with cc numbers.
it's easy to find the CC# of cutoff level = 74
but it's impossible in the manual to find the CC# of ring modulator.

someone got the answer?

is it possible to control HIDDEN parameters in real time? and HOW?

practical examples, only real experienced with AN200, please :)

Jeff, thanks again for your time, i´m learning a lot in this days.
si was thinking in the behringer bcr for midi control, what do you thing of this one?

--- El jue 29-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> escribió:

De: Jeff <jf.serviere@...>
Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010, 17:43

Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :

>
> Hello Jeff !!
> First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new,
> there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound
> good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the
> substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other
> things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could
> open a whole new conception of "know How".
> Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in
> order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a
> newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have
> the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation
> but i dont understand a single word.
> I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this
> controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look
> for another one?
> Thanks again for you time and patience!
> Cheers from Argentina!!!!
>

Hello Nicolas !
i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without
keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the
AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have
one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments
before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user
friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but
nothing awful...such as the AN200.
MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments,
something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a
serial port, and a "common language" between all these different
instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc...
MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an
internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on
the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play,
others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable"
Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note,
velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic
piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths).
Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one
instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin
by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier
(brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send
and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the
hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the
sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in
the opposite way.
In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam
change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the
instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no
matter what is their brand and model.
You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites.
About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some
harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available
on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square,
triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a
different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only
odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds.
Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute,
saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ
or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get
into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen.
PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically
with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty
cycles add some even harmonics)
Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic
harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a
"metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation.
That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can
visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques".

Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in
my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the
file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the
AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a
saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc...

M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB,
and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB
AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one...
Cheers.
J.F.

>
>
> --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
>
> De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53
>
> Hello doc' !
> you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> BUT ...
> 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> keyboard.
> 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> stuff .
> 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> Cheers
> J.F.
>
> dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> >
> > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > I hope someone could help me.
> > Chears from Argentina!
> >
> >
>
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thanks for the advice!
do you thing that the behringer 2000 is a right choice?
by the way, im glad you like my country, next time you come to argentina, send me a mail and we can drink a bottle of wine and talk about synthesizer!
cheers from argentina!

--- El vie 30-abr-10, audiomad99@... <audiomad99@...> escribió:

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Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 30 de abril de 2010, 11:17



















just to chime in ,....when you use the 'midi controller' just assign the knobs or sliders on the controller, to correspond/match the 'midi implementation chart' that will tell you what controller # controls what on the synth you want to control,.... some synths like my studio electronics has controller midi #'s numbers that go up to 100 +,....i just picked up a novation remote zero but havent received it yet still in shipping ,...but looks to be a killer controller,. ..

akai mpk looks real nice and would probably be a great controller filled with features ,...(if you dont have an akai mpc of some sort or sequencer)

ps ,...i was in buenas aires a few years back and absolutely love argentina!!! !!!,..... the people the city and the beaches,... what a great country!!





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Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 2:54 am

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Hello Jeff !!

First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new, there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could open a whole new conception of "know How".

Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation but i dont understand a single word.

I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look for another one?

Thanks again for you time and patience!

Cheers from Argentina!!! !



--- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@ wanadoo.fr> escribió:



De: Jeff <jf.serviere@ wanadoo.fr>

Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life

Para: AN1x-list@yahoogrou ps.com

Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53



Hello doc' !

you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and

switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any

computer. And of course to play it with real keys...

BUT ...

1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.

you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not

available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the

keyboard.

2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation

chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that

stuff .

3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an

USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because

they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and

not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.

And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,

programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.

Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.

Cheers

J.F.



dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :

>

> hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer

> and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with

> the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.

> since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i

> bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the

> software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a

> computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on

> buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when

> i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,

> LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the

> midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?

> I hope someone could help me.

> Chears from Argentina!

>

>

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i read the midi part of the manual and could not find the complete list of cc numers to configurate the midi controller.
where can i find the complete midi chart off cc numers?, is that posible or the hidden functions are imposible to control?
cheers from argentina!

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thanks audiomad but i know in theory how to do that with cc numbers.

it's easy to find the CC# of cutoff level = 74

but it's impossible in the manual to find the CC# of ring modulator.



someone got the answer?



is it possible to control HIDDEN parameters in real time? and HOW?



practical examples, only real experienced with AN200, please :)
























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Holá Nicolas!
is it this one ?
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx
What's about the keyboard? You have another one ?
In this case you have to get a small accessory called a MIDI merger to
"mix" MIDI codes from the keyboard and the Behringer BCR knobs to your
AN 200. "Keyboards with knobs" do that "naturally"... on another hand
basic mergers are cheap... but often "filter" MIDI messages other than
notes, velocity and program change, because of the lack of speed and
memory of the µPs inside.
Cheers.
J.F.

Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :

>
> Jeff, thanks again for your time, i´m learning a lot in this days.
> si was thinking in the behringer bcr for midi control, what do you
> thing of this one?
>
> --- El jue 29-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
>
> De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> Fecha: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010, 17:43
>
> Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> >
> > Hello Jeff !!
> > First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new,
> > there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound
> > good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the
> > substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other
> > things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could
> > open a whole new conception of "know How".
> > Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in
> > order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a
> > newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have
> > the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation
> > but i dont understand a single word.
> > I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this
> > controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look
> > for another one?
> > Thanks again for you time and patience!
> > Cheers from Argentina!!!!
> >
> Hello Nicolas !
> i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without
> keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the
> AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have
> one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments
> before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user
> friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but
> nothing awful...such as the AN200.
> MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments,
> something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a
> serial port, and a "common language" between all these different
> instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc...
> MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an
> internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on
> the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play,
> others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable"
> Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note,
> velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic
> piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths).
> Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one
> instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin
> by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier
> (brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send
> and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the
> hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the
> sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in
> the opposite way.
> In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam
> change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the
> instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no
> matter what is their brand and model.
> You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites.
> About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some
> harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available
> on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square,
> triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a
> different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only
> odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds.
> Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute,
> saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ
> or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get
> into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen.
> PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically
> with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty
> cycles add some even harmonics)
> Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic
> harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a
> "metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation.
> That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can
> visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques".
>
> Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in
> my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the
> file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the
> AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a
> saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc...
>
> M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB,
> and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB
> AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one...
> Cheers.
> J.F.
> >
> >
> > --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
> >
> > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53
> >
> > Hello doc' !
> > you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> > switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> > computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> > BUT ...
> > 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> > you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> > available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> > keyboard.
> > 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> > chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> > stuff .
> > 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> > USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> > they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> > not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> > And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> > programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> > Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> > Cheers
> > J.F.
> >
> > dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> > >
> > > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > > I hope someone could help me.
> > > Chears from Argentina!
> > >
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I've got 2 BCR controllers (I use them to program my JX3p and 8P). They work 'great', but are a bit over sized, smaller would be nicer.
They also do midi merging for you, I often run a sequencer to the BCR then thru to the JX-3P thus allowing the notes to play while I also tweak the parameters (filter etc)
Get a 2nd hand on on ebay rather than new, the midi is reliable, the USB is flaky (connector can break at back etc) - if you are just using it as I do then 'midi only' is fine - you can program it from the PC via midi also (or 'self learn' from the gear by moving the parameter of interest while assigning to the control on the BCR).

> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> From: jf.serviere@...
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:56:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
>
> Holá Nicolas!
> is it this one ?
> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx
> What's about the keyboard? You have another one ?
> In this case you have to get a small accessory called a MIDI merger to
> "mix" MIDI codes from the keyboard and the Behringer BCR knobs to your
> AN 200. "Keyboards with knobs" do that "naturally"... on another hand
> basic mergers are cheap... but often "filter" MIDI messages other than
> notes, velocity and program change, because of the lack of speed and
> memory of the µPs inside.
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> >
> > Jeff, thanks again for your time, i´m learning a lot in this days.
> > si was thinking in the behringer bcr for midi control, what do you
> > thing of this one?
> >
> > --- El jue 29-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
> >
> > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Fecha: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010, 17:43
> >
> > Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> > >
> > > Hello Jeff !!
> > > First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new,
> > > there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound
> > > good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the
> > > substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other
> > > things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could
> > > open a whole new conception of "know How".
> > > Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in
> > > order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a
> > > newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have
> > > the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation
> > > but i dont understand a single word.
> > > I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this
> > > controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look
> > > for another one?
> > > Thanks again for you time and patience!
> > > Cheers from Argentina!!!!
> > >
> > Hello Nicolas !
> > i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without
> > keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the
> > AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have
> > one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments
> > before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user
> > friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but
> > nothing awful...such as the AN200.
> > MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments,
> > something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a
> > serial port, and a "common language" between all these different
> > instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc...
> > MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an
> > internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on
> > the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play,
> > others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable"
> > Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note,
> > velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic
> > piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths).
> > Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one
> > instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin
> > by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier
> > (brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send
> > and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the
> > hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the
> > sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in
> > the opposite way.
> > In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam
> > change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the
> > instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no
> > matter what is their brand and model.
> > You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites.
> > About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some
> > harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available
> > on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square,
> > triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a
> > different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only
> > odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds.
> > Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute,
> > saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ
> > or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get
> > into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen.
> > PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically
> > with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty
> > cycles add some even harmonics)
> > Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic
> > harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a
> > "metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation.
> > That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can
> > visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques".
> >
> > Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in
> > my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the
> > file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the
> > AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a
> > saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc...
> >
> > M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB,
> > and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB
> > AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one...
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
> > >
> > > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53
> > >
> > > Hello doc' !
> > > you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> > > switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> > > computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> > > BUT ...
> > > 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> > > you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> > > available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> > > keyboard.
> > > 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> > > chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> > > stuff .
> > > 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> > > USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> > > they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> > > not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> > > And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> > > programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> > > Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> > > Cheers
> > > J.F.
> > >
> > > dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > > > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > > > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > > > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > > > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > > > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > > > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > > > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > > > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > > > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > > > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > > > I hope someone could help me.
> > > > Chears from Argentina!
> > > >
> > > >
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The only consistent way to edit all the parameters of a patch without
hooking a computer up to the AN200 is to use an external MIDI controller
that will allow you to assign SysEx messages to be transmitted by a
control like a knob or button.

I have tested this with a Behringer BCR2000 and a Novation Remote Zero
SL. Neither of these is a MIDI keyboard. But you can buy the Novation
Remote as a keyboard unit.

If you just want to control the AN200 with a hardware MIDI controller
only then you could purchase a Behringer BCR2000 and download the
third-party BC Manager
(http://home.kpn.nl/~f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html) software.

You can use BC Manager to program the BCR2000 to send MIDI System
Exclusive commands to the AN200 to change those parameters not exposed
by the AN200's front panel controls or through MIDI CC#'s.

I have done this, but I find that it can cause the AN200 playback to lag
as it tries to process all the SysEx commands. This is most likely
because I have not set the resolution parameter or the Transmit Interval
on the BCR2000 to avoid flooding the AN200 with SysEx data.

I have also done this with an Novation ReMOTE ZeRO SL. This does not lag.
You can edit the MIDI SysEx string directly on the ReMOTE. The editing
software for the ReMOTE series does not transfer the SysEx string
correctly to the unit and requires manual editing after transfer.

In the Control Matrix in the AN200 Editor you can also set up 15 MIDI
Control Change commands that the AN200 will respond to on a patch by
patch basis.
- This requires the AN200 Editor installed and working on a computer, or
sending SysEx command to set the parameters.
- This will not work for the 256 Preset patches, only the 128 User
patches. The Preset patches can't be changed and they already have
differing Control Matrix setups.
- This does not give you control of all the parameters of a patch.

If you can resign yourself to only using the User Patches, I could see
setting up 1-4 patches stored in U125-U128 to use as starting points for
creating your own patches. These would start with the Control Matrix
setup to access the parameters that you most want to access. You would
the program your MIDI controller to send those MIDI CC#to the AN200.

Why 4 patches?
If you have Oscillator Sync off, you can select the Multi Saw waveform
for Oscillator 1 (VCO1) which has Detune and Mix parameters where other
Waveform types have Pulse Wave Modulation Depth and Pulse Width.

The Frequency Modulation Algorithm options change depending on what Sync
mode you are in.

You can assign LFO 1 and LFO 2 to modulate VCO1 pitch, VCO2 pitch, VCA
level and VCF cutoff. You can't edit which LFO affects those parameters
from the front panel.

So with all those variations in parameters based on certain settings you
may want to have a couple of User Patches setup and ready to go.

When you edit a patch on the AN200 you are editing a working copy of
another preset. The changes you make will not be saved unless you
explicitly save the patch into one of the User Patch locations. Your
editing takes place in what Yamaha calls the Current Voice.

In hexadecimal, the template for changing the value of the Ring
Modulation Setting:

F0 43 10 5C 10 10 2B value F7

F0 - System Exclusive Message Start
43 - Yamaha manufacturer ID
10 - Device number
5C - Model ID
10 - Address High
10 - Address Mid
2B - Address Low (2B is the value for Ring Modulation)
value - The value you want to set Ring Modulation to (0-127)
F7 - System Exclusive Message End

I found the format for the SysEx message in the AN200 manual, buried in
the back beyond the index under the section MIDI Data Format as Section
2.1.3 AN200 Native parameter change

With a string like that you would setup your external MIDI controller
(which can transmit SysEx) to send that message. It would replace the
value with say the position of a knob scaled from 0 to 127 and then send
that to the AN200 when you turn that knob.

Section 1.2.18 Others has a table that lists the MIDI Control Change
numbers (CC#) that the AN200 will respond to without resorting to
editing the Control Matrix settings or using SysEx messages. These are
the parameters that you could program an external MIDI controller or
Sequencer program like Live or Logic to send to the AN200 with making
sacrifices to the gods.

There is a table <1-1> Parameter Base Address which lists the starting
Addresses for the Current Voice and for the User patches.
These values are the starting Address High , Mid and Low values for
various sets of parameters.

The sections after that <1-2>, <1-3>, <1-4>, <1-5>, <1-6>, <1-7> list
the specific addresses, value ranges, names, descriptions and default
values for all the parameters for the Current Voice.

You use these to select the Address High, Mid and Low values of the
parameter that you want to change.

It also shows you the allowed values for the parameter.

In order of ease of use, start with the defined CC# first for the front
panel parameters, then the Control Matrix and finally the SysEx messages.

Hope this helps,

sobaboy

i just recently picked up the novation remote zero sl for my studio eletronics atc1 and its an awesome controller so far,...it gives you some very cool features






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Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 1:59 pm
Subject: RE: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life






I've got 2 BCR controllers (I use them to program my JX3p and 8P). They work 'great', but are a bit over sized, smaller would be nicer.
They also do midi merging for you, I often run a sequencer to the BCR then thru to the JX-3P thus allowing the notes to play while I also tweak the parameters (filter etc)
Get a 2nd hand on on ebay rather than new, the midi is reliable, the USB is flaky (connector can break at back etc) - if you are just using it as I do then 'midi only' is fine - you can program it from the PC via midi also (or 'self learn' from the gear by moving the parameter of interest while assigning to the control on the BCR).

> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> From: jf.serviere@...
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:56:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
>
> Holá Nicolas!
> is it this one ?
> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx
> What's about the keyboard? You have another one ?
> In this case you have to get a small accessory called a MIDI merger to
> "mix" MIDI codes from the keyboard and the Behringer BCR knobs to your
> AN 200. "Keyboards with knobs" do that "naturally"... on another hand
> basic mergers are cheap... but often "filter" MIDI messages other than
> notes, velocity and program change, because of the lack of speed and
> memory of the µPs inside.
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> >
> > Jeff, thanks again for your time, i´m learning a lot in this days.
> > si was thinking in the behringer bcr for midi control, what do you
> > thing of this one?
> >
> > --- El jue 29-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
> >
> > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Fecha: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010, 17:43
> >
> > Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> > >
> > > Hello Jeff !!
> > > First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new,
> > > there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound
> > > good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the
> > > substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other
> > > things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could
> > > open a whole new conception of "know How".
> > > Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in
> > > order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a
> > > newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have
> > > the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation
> > > but i dont understand a single word.
> > > I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this
> > > controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look
> > > for another one?
> > > Thanks again for you time and patience!
> > > Cheers from Argentina!!!!
> > >
> > Hello Nicolas !
> > i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without
> > keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the
> > AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have
> > one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments
> > before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user
> > friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but
> > nothing awful...such as the AN200.
> > MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments,
> > something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a
> > serial port, and a "common language" between all these different
> > instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc...
> > MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an
> > internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on
> > the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play,
> > others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable"
> > Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note,
> > velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic
> > piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths).
> > Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one
> > instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin
> > by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier
> > (brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send
> > and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the
> > hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the
> > sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in
> > the opposite way.
> > In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam
> > change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the
> > instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no
> > matter what is their brand and model.
> > You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites.
> > About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some
> > harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available
> > on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square,
> > triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a
> > different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only
> > odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds.
> > Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute,
> > saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ
> > or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get
> > into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen.
> > PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically
> > with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty
> > cycles add some even harmonics)
> > Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic
> > harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a
> > "metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation.
> > That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can
> > visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques".
> >
> > Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in
> > my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the
> > file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the
> > AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a
> > saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc...
> >
> > M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB,
> > and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB
> > AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one...
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
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> > > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53
> > >
> > > Hello doc' !
> > > you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> > > switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> > > computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> > > BUT ...
> > > 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> > > you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> > > available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> > > keyboard.
> > > 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> > > chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> > > stuff .
> > > 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> > > USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> > > they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> > > not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> > > And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> > > programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> > > Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> > > Cheers
> > > J.F.
> > >
> > > dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > > > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > > > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > > > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > > > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > > > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > > > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > > > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > > > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > > > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > > > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > > > I hope someone could help me.
> > > > Chears from Argentina!
> > > >
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your country was awesome when i visited ,.... beautiful women and some of the best steakhouses around ,.....better than most steak houses here in new york city! i was in la recoletta and el retiro most of the time,....beautiful architecture ,...great great time
if i'm down there again i'll def let u know
def look at the novation remote line of controllers i just picked one up and its awesome you can assign sooo much to the controller + you have the option of knobs or sliders and buttons to assign ,...i use the buttons for now to switch the mode on my atc1 so it jumps from mode 0 to mode 2 and the other buttons to jump to different mode combos ,...its alot of fun and produces some wild combination's ,...i dont think w the berringer i dont think you can name each knob and have it displayed on the lcd like the novation controllers ,...
one thing i dont like about the novation are the mpc style pads ,...theyre stiff and feel nothing like the mpc 2000 xl i have ,.....but useful to some extent.
the akai mpk line looks pretty cool ,...with a built in arppegiator and loop style options ,.....looks very cool
cheers
Leo








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From: Nicolás Marquestó <dr_saraza_atiende@...>
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 10:26 am
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thanks for the advice!
do you thing that the behringer 2000 is a right choice?
by the way, im glad you like my country, next time you come to argentina, send me a mail and we can drink a bottle of wine and talk about synthesizer!
cheers from argentina!

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Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 30 de abril de 2010, 11:17



just to chime in ,....when you use the 'midi controller' just assign the knobs or sliders on the controller, to correspond/match the 'midi implementation chart' that will tell you what controller # controls what on the synth you want to control,.... some synths like my studio electronics has controller midi #'s numbers that go up to 100 +,....i just picked up a novation remote zero but havent received it yet still in shipping ,...but looks to be a killer controller,. ..

akai mpk looks real nice and would probably be a great controller filled with features ,...(if you dont have an akai mpc of some sort or sequencer)

ps ,...i was in buenas aires a few years back and absolutely love argentina!!! !!!,..... the people the city and the beaches,... what a great country!!

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From: Nicolás Marquestó <dr_saraza_atiende@ yahoo.com. ar>

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Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 2:54 am

Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life

Hello Jeff !!

First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new, there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could open a whole new conception of "know How".

Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation but i dont understand a single word.

I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look for another one?

Thanks again for you time and patience!

Cheers from Argentina!!! !

--- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@ wanadoo.fr> escribió:

De: Jeff <jf.serviere@ wanadoo.fr>

Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life

Para: AN1x-list@yahoogrou ps.com

Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53

Hello doc' !

you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and

switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any

computer. And of course to play it with real keys...

BUT ...

1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.

you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not

available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the

keyboard.

2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation

chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that

stuff .

3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an

USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because

they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and

not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.

And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,

programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.

Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.

Cheers

J.F.

dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :

>

> hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer

> and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with

> the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.

> since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i

> bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the

> software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a

> computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on

> buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when

> i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,

> LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the

> midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?

> I hope someone could help me.

> Chears from Argentina!

>

>

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Awesome post Sobaboy!

i'm new with SysEx messages via midi, but i know they're not realtime controls like cc messages, isn't right? ( i mean you can't tweak parameters during performance ).

thanks
dan

Thank you Sobaboy, very useful information.
So, let´s put this simple to see if i understand:
1) i can only control 15 of the hidden functions per patch because there is only 15 cc numbers available to be assign
2) in order to do this i have to install the pc editor and, via control matrix, tell an200 what cc number control what parameter
3) Then i have to assign on the midi controller witch knob control what cc number
and there it is, external control for the hidden functions

am i correct?

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Sobaboy <yahoo-lists@...> wrote:
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> The only consistent way to edit all the parameters of a patch without
> hooking a computer up to the AN200 is to use an external MIDI controller
> that will allow you to assign SysEx messages to be transmitted by a
> control like a knob or button.
>
> I have tested this with a Behringer BCR2000 and a Novation Remote Zero
> SL. Neither of these is a MIDI keyboard. But you can buy the Novation
> Remote as a keyboard unit.
>
> If you just want to control the AN200 with a hardware MIDI controller
> only then you could purchase a Behringer BCR2000 and download the
> third-party BC Manager
> (http://home.kpn.nl/~f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html) software.
>
> You can use BC Manager to program the BCR2000 to send MIDI System
> Exclusive commands to the AN200 to change those parameters not exposed
> by the AN200's front panel controls or through MIDI CC#'s.
>
> I have done this, but I find that it can cause the AN200 playback to lag
> as it tries to process all the SysEx commands. This is most likely
> because I have not set the resolution parameter or the Transmit Interval
> on the BCR2000 to avoid flooding the AN200 with SysEx data.
>
> I have also done this with an Novation ReMOTE ZeRO SL. This does not lag.
> You can edit the MIDI SysEx string directly on the ReMOTE. The editing
> software for the ReMOTE series does not transfer the SysEx string
> correctly to the unit and requires manual editing after transfer.
>
> In the Control Matrix in the AN200 Editor you can also set up 15 MIDI
> Control Change commands that the AN200 will respond to on a patch by
> patch basis.
> - This requires the AN200 Editor installed and working on a computer, or
> sending SysEx command to set the parameters.
> - This will not work for the 256 Preset patches, only the 128 User
> patches. The Preset patches can't be changed and they already have
> differing Control Matrix setups.
> - This does not give you control of all the parameters of a patch.
>
> If you can resign yourself to only using the User Patches, I could see
> setting up 1-4 patches stored in U125-U128 to use as starting points for
> creating your own patches. These would start with the Control Matrix
> setup to access the parameters that you most want to access. You would
> the program your MIDI controller to send those MIDI CC#to the AN200.
>
> Why 4 patches?
> If you have Oscillator Sync off, you can select the Multi Saw waveform
> for Oscillator 1 (VCO1) which has Detune and Mix parameters where other
> Waveform types have Pulse Wave Modulation Depth and Pulse Width.
>
> The Frequency Modulation Algorithm options change depending on what Sync
> mode you are in.
>
> You can assign LFO 1 and LFO 2 to modulate VCO1 pitch, VCO2 pitch, VCA
> level and VCF cutoff. You can't edit which LFO affects those parameters
> from the front panel.
>
> So with all those variations in parameters based on certain settings you
> may want to have a couple of User Patches setup and ready to go.
>
> When you edit a patch on the AN200 you are editing a working copy of
> another preset. The changes you make will not be saved unless you
> explicitly save the patch into one of the User Patch locations. Your
> editing takes place in what Yamaha calls the Current Voice.
>
> In hexadecimal, the template for changing the value of the Ring
> Modulation Setting:
>
> F0 43 10 5C 10 10 2B value F7
>
> F0 - System Exclusive Message Start
> 43 - Yamaha manufacturer ID
> 10 - Device number
> 5C - Model ID
> 10 - Address High
> 10 - Address Mid
> 2B - Address Low (2B is the value for Ring Modulation)
> value - The value you want to set Ring Modulation to (0-127)
> F7 - System Exclusive Message End
>
> I found the format for the SysEx message in the AN200 manual, buried in
> the back beyond the index under the section MIDI Data Format as Section
> 2.1.3 AN200 Native parameter change
>
> With a string like that you would setup your external MIDI controller
> (which can transmit SysEx) to send that message. It would replace the
> value with say the position of a knob scaled from 0 to 127 and then send
> that to the AN200 when you turn that knob.
>
> Section 1.2.18 Others has a table that lists the MIDI Control Change
> numbers (CC#) that the AN200 will respond to without resorting to
> editing the Control Matrix settings or using SysEx messages. These are
> the parameters that you could program an external MIDI controller or
> Sequencer program like Live or Logic to send to the AN200 with making
> sacrifices to the gods.
>
> There is a table <1-1> Parameter Base Address which lists the starting
> Addresses for the Current Voice and for the User patches.
> These values are the starting Address High , Mid and Low values for
> various sets of parameters.
>
> The sections after that <1-2>, <1-3>, <1-4>, <1-5>, <1-6>, <1-7> list
> the specific addresses, value ranges, names, descriptions and default
> values for all the parameters for the Current Voice.
>
> You use these to select the Address High, Mid and Low values of the
> parameter that you want to change.
>
> It also shows you the allowed values for the parameter.
>
> In order of ease of use, start with the defined CC# first for the front
> panel parameters, then the Control Matrix and finally the SysEx messages.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> sobaboy
>

Thanks, I am glad you found it useful.

If you can send SysEx messages with your sequencer or external MIDI
controller to the AN200 it will process them.

System Exclusive messages were probably developed more for patch dumps
than for real time control. Control Change messages are much more compact.

The original poster wanted to know what options there were for
controlling the parameters not exposed on the front control panels so I
gave SysEx messages as an option.

You would need to test your external controller carefully with the AN200
before thinking about using it for a performance especially if you were
going to control the AN200 with an external sequencer sending MIDI data
to the controller to be merged with any of your knob tweaking.

Sobaboy

daniele wrote:

> Awesome post Sobaboy!
>
> i'm new with SysEx messages via midi, but i know they're not realtime controls like cc messages, isn't right? ( i mean you can't tweak parameters during performance ).
>
> thanks
> dan
>

Thank you, I am glad you found it useful.

1. You have 15 slots where you can assign selected CC# and some other
parameters like Aftertouch, Pitch Bend, Key Tracking, Velocity and
something called Key Random to control selected parameters of the
AN200. There are more than 15 CC# available to use but only 15 slots.
2. Yes, installing XGWorks Lite and the AN200 plugin would be the
easiest way to edit the Control Matrix. Otherwise you can send the
SysEx messages directly to the AN200 to program these settings.
3. Yes, once you have setup the Control Matrix you can then set up
the external MIDI controller to send out those codes to the AN200.


I suggested saving several patches as starting points for editing a new
sound. Setting the Control Matrix to a standard set of parameters would
be part of this. The preset patches have their own settings which will
not line up with your setting on the controller.

In the English manual on page 132 there is a chart with a list of the
parameters that can be controlled by the Control Matrix and the FreeEG.

The important column for you is the CC AT column which has X or O for
each parameter. X meaning you can't control this parameter with the
Control Matrix. They are either greyed out or missing from the drop down
list in the Control Matrix setting page. Even then there are still more
parameters missing from this such as LFO2 Waveform, FM Algorithm.
Several of the X'd out options are parameters that would be implemented
as buttons like Filter Type, VCO1 Wave.

Sobaboy

dr_saraza_atiende wrote:

> Thank you Sobaboy, very useful information.
> So, let´s put this simple to see if i understand:
> 1) i can only control 15 of the hidden functions per patch because there is only 15 cc numbers available to be assign
> 2) in order to do this i have to install the pc editor and, via control matrix, tell an200 what cc number control what parameter
> 3) Then i have to assign on the midi controller witch knob control what cc number
> and there it is, external control for the hidden functions
>
> am i correct?
>
>

Maaan, i just mangled a key. i accidentally dropped a hard acrylic sphere on my synth and it shattered a key into various shards. Can most music shops repair something like this? or have i inevitably screwed the pooch?




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You just need to find/buy a new key (Ebay, Yamaha). Take out the keybed (a few screws) and put the new key on, it's really quite simple (done it to lots of old synths and there's barely anything inside an AN1x to remove).
I don't recall seeing 2nd hand keys for AN1X on ebay often so google for them and ask Yamaha. Everything is fixable. :)


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Maaan, i just mangled a key. i accidentally dropped a hard acrylic sphere on my synth and it shattered a key into various shards. Can most music shops repair something like this? or have i inevitably screwed the pooch?



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Try these guys:

http://sounddoctorin.com/synthtec/parts/key.htm

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, liamcarrie@... wrote:
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> Maaan, i just mangled a key. i accidentally dropped a hard acrylic sphere on my synth and it shattered a key into various shards. Can most music shops repair something like this? or have i inevitably screwed the pooch?
>
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>

Hello !

I guess that Yamaha uses more or less the same keys on today's
instruments and you can find one as a spare part. Ask a Yamaha dealer,
or some electronics repair workshop.
As Paul says it is not so difficult to fix, once you have the new key.
Cheers
J.F.

Paul T a écrit :

>
>
> You just need to find/buy a new key (Ebay, Yamaha). Take out the keybed (a few screws) and put the new key on, it's really quite simple (done it to lots of old synths and there's barely anything inside an AN1x to remove).
> I don't recall seeing 2nd hand keys for AN1X on ebay often so google for them and ask Yamaha. Everything is fixable. :)
>
>
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
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Op 2-6-2010 20:45, Jeff schreef:

> I guess that Yamaha uses more or less the same keys on today's
> instruments and you can find one as a spare part. Ask a Yamaha dealer,
> or some electronics repair workshop.
> As Paul says it is not so difficult to fix, once you have the new key.

Indeed. Yamaha is into big numbers and reusing components. So you'll
find the AN1x keyboard on all other synths and keyboards of that price
range. Of products of about the same age, the CS1x would have a cheaper
keyboard; the EX5 a more expensive. You need the mid range, presumably.

- Peter

Yes, true with the older synths (from the DX7 through the high end SY's upto the mid 90s stuff) Yammy used the same keys/keybeds (even the KORG M1 and later series used the same keys - with just a small snap-offable tab differentiating the older and newer).
I only hesitated with the AN1x keys as I know they are higher quality than the CS1X and lower quality than the flagship stuff (which is similar if not the same as the 'old' SY/DX stuff - semi weighted). AN1x keys undoubtedly were used in other yamaha synths (maybe even Korg) it's just knowing which as it's quite a strange mixture of parts is the AN1x. :)


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Op 2-6-2010 20:45, Jeff schreef:

> I guess that Yamaha uses more or less the same keys on today's

> instruments and you can find one as a spare part. Ask a Yamaha dealer,

> or some electronics repair workshop.

> As Paul says it is not so difficult to fix, once you have the new key.

Indeed. Yamaha is into big numbers and reusing components. So you'll

find the AN1x keyboard on all other synths and keyboards of that price

range. Of products of about the same age, the CS1x would have a cheaper

keyboard; the EX5 a more expensive. You need the mid range, presumably.



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Well, look what just cropped up on eBay today:

Yamaha Korg Keys SY35 AN1X X3 W7 DX11 S30 V50 707 SY55

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Korg-Keys-SY35-AN1X-X3-W7-DX11-S30-V50-707-SY55-/270545210111?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item3efdc04aff

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> Maaan, i just mangled a key. i accidentally dropped a hard acrylic sphere on my synth and it shattered a key into various shards. Can most music shops repair something like this? or have i inevitably screwed the pooch?
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Many thanks for this! The an200 is on my short list of things to buy and when I realized that a number of cool thing were not available from the front panel, my eyes crossed looking at those back appendices. :)

My question at the moment is (I haven't really looked around the group yet in all honesty) does the editor work on our computers in 2010? :) Such as 64 bit vista? Perhaps someone here made an update? I don't mind using the editor, but I'm not sure I'm all for programming sysex strings for everything .....

I will continue to poke around here, but if someone can point me in a good direction, that would be much appreciated!

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Sobaboy <yahoo-lists@...> wrote:
>
> The only consistent way to edit all the parameters of a patch without
> hooking a computer up to the AN200 is to use an external MIDI controller
> that will allow you to assign SysEx messages to be transmitted by a
> control like a knob or button.
>
> I have tested this with a Behringer BCR2000 and a Novation Remote Zero
> SL. Neither of these is a MIDI keyboard. But you can buy the Novation
> Remote as a keyboard unit.
>
> If you just want to control the AN200 with a hardware MIDI controller
> only then you could purchase a Behringer BCR2000 and download the
> third-party BC Manager
> (http://home.kpn.nl/~f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html) software.
>
> You can use BC Manager to program the BCR2000 to send MIDI System
> Exclusive commands to the AN200 to change those parameters not exposed
> by the AN200's front panel controls or through MIDI CC#'s.
>
> I have done this, but I find that it can cause the AN200 playback to lag
> as it tries to process all the SysEx commands. This is most likely
> because I have not set the resolution parameter or the Transmit Interval
> on the BCR2000 to avoid flooding the AN200 with SysEx data.
>
> I have also done this with an Novation ReMOTE ZeRO SL. This does not lag.
> You can edit the MIDI SysEx string directly on the ReMOTE. The editing
> software for the ReMOTE series does not transfer the SysEx string
> correctly to the unit and requires manual editing after transfer.
>
> In the Control Matrix in the AN200 Editor you can also set up 15 MIDI
> Control Change commands that the AN200 will respond to on a patch by
> patch basis.
> - This requires the AN200 Editor installed and working on a computer, or
> sending SysEx command to set the parameters.
> - This will not work for the 256 Preset patches, only the 128 User
> patches. The Preset patches can't be changed and they already have
> differing Control Matrix setups.
> - This does not give you control of all the parameters of a patch.
>
> If you can resign yourself to only using the User Patches, I could see
> setting up 1-4 patches stored in U125-U128 to use as starting points for
> creating your own patches. These would start with the Control Matrix
> setup to access the parameters that you most want to access. You would
> the program your MIDI controller to send those MIDI CC#to the AN200.
>
> Why 4 patches?
> If you have Oscillator Sync off, you can select the Multi Saw waveform
> for Oscillator 1 (VCO1) which has Detune and Mix parameters where other
> Waveform types have Pulse Wave Modulation Depth and Pulse Width.
>
> The Frequency Modulation Algorithm options change depending on what Sync
> mode you are in.
>
> You can assign LFO 1 and LFO 2 to modulate VCO1 pitch, VCO2 pitch, VCA
> level and VCF cutoff. You can't edit which LFO affects those parameters
> from the front panel.
>
> So with all those variations in parameters based on certain settings you
> may want to have a couple of User Patches setup and ready to go.
>
> When you edit a patch on the AN200 you are editing a working copy of
> another preset. The changes you make will not be saved unless you
> explicitly save the patch into one of the User Patch locations. Your
> editing takes place in what Yamaha calls the Current Voice.
>
> In hexadecimal, the template for changing the value of the Ring
> Modulation Setting:
>
> F0 43 10 5C 10 10 2B value F7
>
> F0 - System Exclusive Message Start
> 43 - Yamaha manufacturer ID
> 10 - Device number
> 5C - Model ID
> 10 - Address High
> 10 - Address Mid
> 2B - Address Low (2B is the value for Ring Modulation)
> value - The value you want to set Ring Modulation to (0-127)
> F7 - System Exclusive Message End
>
> I found the format for the SysEx message in the AN200 manual, buried in
> the back beyond the index under the section MIDI Data Format as Section
> 2.1.3 AN200 Native parameter change
>
> With a string like that you would setup your external MIDI controller
> (which can transmit SysEx) to send that message. It would replace the
> value with say the position of a knob scaled from 0 to 127 and then send
> that to the AN200 when you turn that knob.
>
> Section 1.2.18 Others has a table that lists the MIDI Control Change
> numbers (CC#) that the AN200 will respond to without resorting to
> editing the Control Matrix settings or using SysEx messages. These are
> the parameters that you could program an external MIDI controller or
> Sequencer program like Live or Logic to send to the AN200 with making
> sacrifices to the gods.
>
> There is a table <1-1> Parameter Base Address which lists the starting
> Addresses for the Current Voice and for the User patches.
> These values are the starting Address High , Mid and Low values for
> various sets of parameters.
>
> The sections after that <1-2>, <1-3>, <1-4>, <1-5>, <1-6>, <1-7> list
> the specific addresses, value ranges, names, descriptions and default
> values for all the parameters for the Current Voice.
>
> You use these to select the Address High, Mid and Low values of the
> parameter that you want to change.
>
> It also shows you the allowed values for the parameter.
>
> In order of ease of use, start with the defined CC# first for the front
> panel parameters, then the Control Matrix and finally the SysEx messages.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> sobaboy
>

I'm using AN1Xedit flawlessly on 64bit Windows 7 (with an1x)


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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:30:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life




























Many thanks for this! The an200 is on my short list of things to buy and when I realized that a number of cool thing were not available from the front panel, my eyes crossed looking at those back appendices. :)



My question at the moment is (I haven't really looked around the group yet in all honesty) does the editor work on our computers in 2010? :) Such as 64 bit vista? Perhaps someone here made an update? I don't mind using the editor, but I'm not sure I'm all for programming sysex strings for everything .....



I will continue to poke around here, but if someone can point me in a good direction, that would be much appreciated!

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Sobaboy <yahoo-lists@...> wrote:

>

> The only consistent way to edit all the parameters of a patch without

> hooking a computer up to the AN200 is to use an external MIDI controller

> that will allow you to assign SysEx messages to be transmitted by a

> control like a knob or button.

>

> I have tested this with a Behringer BCR2000 and a Novation Remote Zero

> SL. Neither of these is a MIDI keyboard. But you can buy the Novation

> Remote as a keyboard unit.

>

> If you just want to control the AN200 with a hardware MIDI controller

> only then you could purchase a Behringer BCR2000 and download the

> third-party BC Manager

> (http://home.kpn.nl/~f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html) software.

>

> You can use BC Manager to program the BCR2000 to send MIDI System

> Exclusive commands to the AN200 to change those parameters not exposed

> by the AN200's front panel controls or through MIDI CC#'s.

>

> I have done this, but I find that it can cause the AN200 playback to lag

> as it tries to process all the SysEx commands. This is most likely

> because I have not set the resolution parameter or the Transmit Interval

> on the BCR2000 to avoid flooding the AN200 with SysEx data.

>

> I have also done this with an Novation ReMOTE ZeRO SL. This does not lag.

> You can edit the MIDI SysEx string directly on the ReMOTE. The editing

> software for the ReMOTE series does not transfer the SysEx string

> correctly to the unit and requires manual editing after transfer.

>

> In the Control Matrix in the AN200 Editor you can also set up 15 MIDI

> Control Change commands that the AN200 will respond to on a patch by

> patch basis.

> - This requires the AN200 Editor installed and working on a computer, or

> sending SysEx command to set the parameters.

> - This will not work for the 256 Preset patches, only the 128 User

> patches. The Preset patches can't be changed and they already have

> differing Control Matrix setups.

> - This does not give you control of all the parameters of a patch.

>

> If you can resign yourself to only using the User Patches, I could see

> setting up 1-4 patches stored in U125-U128 to use as starting points for

> creating your own patches. These would start with the Control Matrix

> setup to access the parameters that you most want to access. You would

> the program your MIDI controller to send those MIDI CC#to the AN200.

>

> Why 4 patches?

> If you have Oscillator Sync off, you can select the Multi Saw waveform

> for Oscillator 1 (VCO1) which has Detune and Mix parameters where other

> Waveform types have Pulse Wave Modulation Depth and Pulse Width.

>

> The Frequency Modulation Algorithm options change depending on what Sync

> mode you are in.

>

> You can assign LFO 1 and LFO 2 to modulate VCO1 pitch, VCO2 pitch, VCA

> level and VCF cutoff. You can't edit which LFO affects those parameters

> from the front panel.

>

> So with all those variations in parameters based on certain settings you

> may want to have a couple of User Patches setup and ready to go.

>

> When you edit a patch on the AN200 you are editing a working copy of

> another preset. The changes you make will not be saved unless you

> explicitly save the patch into one of the User Patch locations. Your

> editing takes place in what Yamaha calls the Current Voice.

>

> In hexadecimal, the template for changing the value of the Ring

> Modulation Setting:

>

> F0 43 10 5C 10 10 2B value F7

>

> F0 - System Exclusive Message Start

> 43 - Yamaha manufacturer ID

> 10 - Device number

> 5C - Model ID

> 10 - Address High

> 10 - Address Mid

> 2B - Address Low (2B is the value for Ring Modulation)

> value - The value you want to set Ring Modulation to (0-127)

> F7 - System Exclusive Message End

>

> I found the format for the SysEx message in the AN200 manual, buried in

> the back beyond the index under the section MIDI Data Format as Section

> 2.1.3 AN200 Native parameter change

>

> With a string like that you would setup your external MIDI controller

> (which can transmit SysEx) to send that message. It would replace the

> value with say the position of a knob scaled from 0 to 127 and then send

> that to the AN200 when you turn that knob.

>

> Section 1.2.18 Others has a table that lists the MIDI Control Change

> numbers (CC#) that the AN200 will respond to without resorting to

> editing the Control Matrix settings or using SysEx messages. These are

> the parameters that you could program an external MIDI controller or

> Sequencer program like Live or Logic to send to the AN200 with making

> sacrifices to the gods.

>

> There is a table <1-1> Parameter Base Address which lists the starting

> Addresses for the Current Voice and for the User patches.

> These values are the starting Address High , Mid and Low values for

> various sets of parameters.

>

> The sections after that <1-2>, <1-3>, <1-4>, <1-5>, <1-6>, <1-7> list

> the specific addresses, value ranges, names, descriptions and default

> values for all the parameters for the Current Voice.

>

> You use these to select the Address High, Mid and Low values of the

> parameter that you want to change.

>

> It also shows you the allowed values for the parameter.

>

> In order of ease of use, start with the defined CC# first for the front

> panel parameters, then the Control Matrix and finally the SysEx messages.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> sobaboy

>


















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Okay, so I picked up an AN200 from my local music store and am quite pleased. :) So, I'm programming my novation remote with sysex strings to control some of the 'hidden' functions, but have some questions regarding some of the values listed in the appendices. For example: the 3 band eq hi frequency Data category lists the values as 1c....3A. I have no clue what that is. :) Sometimes in the 'description' section they will list actual numbers, but for this one (and a few others) they do not. Any ideas?

Also, while I'm here.... is there a copy of XGworks lite floating around anywhere? The editor I downloaded is no good without it. :(

thats hexidecimal program language which is the basic for sysex it goes up in 15 steps where after 10 you get letters 0/1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/a/b/c/d/f then it starts again 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18/19/1a/1b/1c/1d/1e/1f

these go up to 256 values being f7 which is eox end of sysex message

now sysex is in mostly 7 bits as the 8th bit is always eox

so the data is in a 7 bit message

later sysex was was 14 bits but used nibbles to do this being sent in 2 7 bit number number sequences usually msb lsb to perform a advanced instruction so that emu could acess more functions of there synths

to me your info is telling you that the data for controlling the eq is from 1c to 3a in hex

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Okay, so I picked up an AN200 from my local music store and am quite pleased. :) So, I'm programming my novation remote with sysex strings to control some of the 'hidden' functions, but have some questions regarding some of the values listed in the appendices. For example: the 3 band eq hi frequency Data category lists the values as 1c....3A. I have no clue what that is. :) Sometimes in the 'description' section they will list actual numbers, but for this one (and a few others) they do not. Any ideas?

Also, while I'm here.... is there a copy of XGworks lite floating around anywhere? The editor I downloaded is no good without it. :(






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Hi !
1C ... 3A are values in hexadecimal (= base 16) notation, once famous at
the beginning of the computer era because of the easy translation from
binary ( = base 2) to hex. The hex notation uses the 0 ... 9 numbers + A
to F ... numbers.A = 10, B = 11 ... F = 15
Example : 1111 (bin) = F (hex) = 15 (decimal)
How does it work ? Like all the numeral systems ! The first (right) row
number is multiplied by 16E0 (= 1), the second row by 16E1 (= 16) and so
on...
For more explanation see, for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal.
or some math book if you have kept one in your cellar...
All sysex or MIDI messages are coded in binary and written in
hexadecimal, easier to handle, but not to calculate with...
Cheers.
J.F.

antret@... a écrit :

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>
>
> Okay, so I picked up an AN200 from my local music store and am quite
> pleased. :) So, I'm programming my novation remote with sysex strings
> to control some of the 'hidden' functions, but have some questions
> regarding some of the values listed in the appendices. For example:
> the 3 band eq hi frequency Data category lists the values as 1c....3A.
> I have no clue what that is. :) Sometimes in the 'description' section
> they will list actual numbers, but for this one (and a few others)
> they do not. Any ideas?
>
> Also, while I'm here.... is there a copy of XGworks lite floating
> around anywhere? The editor I downloaded is no good without it. :(
>
>

Very interesting, thank you. :). So, those hex 'numbers' can be translated to 'real' numbers I assume.

Also, fwiw, I was able to use the computer editor for the novation remote sl to input the sysex data and transfer the template to the keyboard with no problems. I remember reading there were some problems with that...... It works great!

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