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I've looked at the official manuals and the homemade manuals and notebooks and I understand what their syntax examples are saying but I still need to see a sample program.
Theirs 4 different types:
1a) START-NEXT
1b) START-STEP
2a) FOR-NEXT
2b) FOR-STEP
3) DO-UNTIL-END
4) WHILE-REPEAT-END
Does anybody have a JPEG of their notes on this or program(s)they may have written. Just a simple simple program that works would be a good start. I've always had trouble figuring this out. I can put this in my collection of notes and homemade manuals. Everything I have collected is available in my folder under downloads and can be downloaded directly from this site.
Please help.

You may not have seen this particular hp49 user's guide that explains the various looping structures and has examples for each. The original is at the HP site...
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/bpia5324.pdf

But I've uploaded a version that someone added bookmarks to, here...
http://drop.io/HpCalc5

The site that had this later version, is gone and I don't see it at hpcalc.org

I advise anyone who's remotely interested, to get this file while the opportunity is good.

--- On Mon, 6/22/09, rickwendel763242 <rickwendel763242@...> wrote:

> From: rickwendel763242 <rickwendel763242@...>
> Subject: [50g] Please help me with loop structures.
> To: 50g@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 5:04 PM
> I've looked at the official manuals
> and the homemade manuals and notebooks and I understand what
> their syntax examples are saying but I still need to see a
> sample program.
> Theirs 4 different types:
> 1a)  START-NEXT
> 1b)  START-STEP
> 2a)  FOR-NEXT
> 2b)  FOR-STEP
> 3)   DO-UNTIL-END
> 4)   WHILE-REPEAT-END
> Does anybody have a JPEG of their notes on this or
> program(s)they may have written.  Just a simple simple
> program that works would be a good start.  I've always
> had trouble figuring this out.  I can put this in my
> collection of notes and homemade manuals.  Everything I
> have collected is available in my folder under downloads and
> can be downloaded directly from this site.
> Please help.
>
>
>
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>     mailto:50g-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
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Thanks a lot Don. I didn't have the 49G version. That should help considerably. If anybody needs to download it from this site at any time I'll have it in my downloads folder.

Why are you getting rid of it?

From: rickwendel763242 <rickwendel763242@...>
Subject: [50g] Please help me with loop structures.
To: 50g@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 5:04 PM

I've looked at the official manuals and the homemade manuals and notebooks and I understand what their syntax examples are saying but I still need to see a sample program.
Theirs 4 different types:
1a) START-NEXT
1b) START-STEP
2a) FOR-NEXT
2b) FOR-STEP
3) DO-UNTIL-END
4) WHILE-REPEAT- END
Does anybody have a JPEG of their notes on this or program(s)they may have written. Just a simple simple program that works would be a good start. I've always had trouble figuring this out. I can put this in my collection of notes and homemade manuals. Everything I have collected is available in my folder under downloads and can be downloaded directly from this site.
Please help.

Just to add to my previous message. I understand basically how the FOR-NEXT structure works now from the example provided in the 49G manual. Still working on it.

So, how does the 49g manual compare with whatever came with the 50g? As I recall, you had some complaints. If it's much better, it might be worth recommending to other 50g users who've had problems with the documentation. I've never seen the 50g manual so your experience is especially important here.

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, rickwendel763242 <rickwendel763242@...> wrote:

> From: rickwendel763242 <rickwendel763242@...>
> Subject: [50g] Re: Please help me with loop structures.
> To: 50g@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:23 PM
> Just to add to my previous
> message.  I understand basically how the FOR-NEXT
> structure works now from the example provided in the 49G
> manual.  Still working on it.

Thanks a lot!! I downloaded, An Introduction To Programming HP Graphing Calculators (a newer version), the 32 PDF lessons using the HP50G, the Complex Numbers & Trigonometry - Preliminaries and Algebra Through Problem Solving tutorials. I noticed some pretty literate examples in there. I don't know much math, and just wanted to do some basic programming as an electronics technician and machinist. No distinctive examples are offered and the programming syntax is incorrect in most manuals. It doesn't display spaces and it seems like everybody insists on using esoteric versions of three different programs they copied from somebody else. This should have taken 1/2 hour to learn and anybody regardless of their math background should experience the same simplicity. I'll definately read all the manuals and make them available on this site for download from my site. Thanks again...

The problem is the same in all the manuals I've found. Theirs only 4 or 5 programming structures and nobody seems to be able to explain them without using some combination of other junk they copied from somebody else. Their are no simple, distinctive examples. The paragraphs included as so called discriptions could be completely eliminated if a real 3-line example was provided - thus freeing up lots of space. All the descriptions are a rambling of broken, illiterate, nonsense. After I figure it out I plan to have a 3rd grader explain it to everyone else who asks me about it.

> The problem is the same in all the manuals I've found. Theirs only 4 or 5 programming structures and nobody seems to be able to explain them without using some combination of other junk they copied from somebody else.

You haven't ever looked in the Advanced User Reference have you?

Chapter 1 (1-15 to 1-23) does exactly that, with nice flow charts explaining the behavior and everything. . .

TW

I have a folder in the files section. In it you can see all the manuals I've looked at. I've figured out all the programing structures in the Advanced Guide except loop structures. I'm not an advanced user, I'm just learning how to do basic RPL and operate the calculator so I can do basic tasks. That's why I need basic examples. I'm not the only person that feels the manuals HP put out are worthless. I was the only one in my electronics program that had an HP calculator. None of it is hard and in fact is obviously the easiest method. If it is, then why aren't more people using HP's? Because the manuals suck. Their is no question about it.

http://www.strudelline.net/hp50gloopstructures

I kinda hacked this together but it's as simple a guide as I could make and each and every loop does the exact same thing :D Put HELLO WORLD on the stack 10 times ;)

I think more people don't use HPs because more people use TIs and people tend to buy what the teacher teaches them to use. I've never seen a banker with a TI on their desk.

Manuals are supposed to suck :D That's why they come free with the product. Just like the little baggies that come with ear bud headphones.

--- In 50g@yahoogroups.com, "rickwendel763242" <rickwendel763242@...> wrote:
>
> I have a folder in the files section. In it you can see all the manuals I've looked at. I've figured out all the programing structures in the Advanced Guide except loop structures. I'm not an advanced user, I'm just learning how to do basic RPL and operate the calculator so I can do basic tasks. That's why I need basic examples. I'm not the only person that feels the manuals HP put out are worthless. I was the only one in my electronics program that had an HP calculator. None of it is hard and in fact is obviously the easiest method. If it is, then why aren't more people using HP's? Because the manuals suck. Their is no question about it.
>

Great example! Thanks! I have it in my notebook. If you need any help with anything I highly suggest downloading some of the stuff from this site in my folder. The Theil college stuff is very helpful. Its a 1.6 MB PDF I put together.