50g

> data point? This would be really handy for my work. If I could make
> use of the internal clock in this way, that would definitely tip the
> balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.

> How do you find the battery life on the 50g? How many hours of
> operation might I get from a fresh set of AAAs?

> program that would allow data entry with a
> timestamp attached to each
> > data point? This would be really handy for my
> work. If I could make
> > use of the internal clock in this way, that would
> definitely tip the
> > balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.
>
> Here is a program that will prompt for your note,
> and then store the
> data into a dated file on the SD card in a folder
> called RESEARCH.
> Each day will be in a new file, and each line will
> have a complete
> timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text you
> find on the SD
> card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> stuff at the beginning
> can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps the
> calculator
> identify it as a plain text file).
>
>
>
> HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08 10:09:14A
> TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:38A
>
>
> Begin program:
>
> << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " +
> DATE TIME TSTR
> + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG DUP
> IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP PURGE
> STO END >>
>
> The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks
> alpha mode on during
> entry. The storage will automatically create a new
> file for the data
> on the next day as needed, and all notes on the sane
> day are appended
> into the file. This program could be easily edited
> and improved
> depending on your needs.
> ...

The 50g allows you to store under a "string" name? My
49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I thought you
have to use a 'variable' name.

And how do you convert a "string" into a 'variable'?

--- Tim Wessman <timwessman@yahoo. com> wrote:

> program that would allow data entry with a
> timestamp attached to each
> > data point? This would be really handy for my
> work. If I could make
> > use of the internal clock in this way, that would
> definitely tip the
> > balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.
>
> Here is a program that will prompt for your note,
> and then store the
> data into a dated file on the SD card in a folder
> called RESEARCH.
> Each day will be in a new file, and each line will
> have a complete
> timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text you
> find on the SD
> card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> stuff at the beginning
> can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps the
> calculator
> identify it as a plain text file).
>
>
>
> HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08 10:09:14A
> TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:38A
>
>
> Begin program:
>
> << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " +
> DATE TIME TSTR
> + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG DUP
> IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP PURGE
> STO END >>
>
> The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks
> alpha mode on during
> entry. The storage will automatically create a new
> file for the data
> on the next day as needed, and all notes on the sane
> day are appended
> into the file. This program could be easily edited
> and improved
> depending on your needs.
> ...

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Hi all,

I'm a biologist who works in some remote locations, and I'm interested
in a calculator that can double as a data entry device. I know the 50g
has an internal clock -- does anyone know if it's possible to write a
program that would allow data entry with a timestamp attached to each
data point? This would be really handy for my work. If I could make
use of the internal clock in this way, that would definitely tip the
balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.

How do you find the battery life on the 50g? How many hours of
operation might I get from a fresh set of AAAs?

Thanks in advance for your help! And please forgive the naivete of a
newbie :)

Neil Losin

Hi all,

I'm a biologist who works in some remote locations, and I'm interested
in a calculator that can double as a data entry device. I know the 50g
has an internal clock -- does anyone know if it's possible to write a
program that would allow data entry with a timestamp attached to each
data point? This would be really handy for my work. If I could make
use of the internal clock in this way, that would definitely tip the
balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.

How do you find the battery life on the 50g? How many hours of
operation might I get from a fresh set of AAAs?

Thanks in advance for your help! And please forgive the naivete of a
newbie :)

Neil Losin

> Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> error. Ed VE
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote: The 50g
> allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I thought
> you
> have to use a 'variable' name.
>
> And how do you convert a "string" into a 'variable'?
>
> --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@...> wrote:
>
> > program that would allow data entry with a
> > timestamp attached to each
> > > data point? This would be really handy for my
> > work. If I could make
> > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> would
> > definitely tip the
> > > balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.
> >
> > Here is a program that will prompt for your note,
> > and then store the
> > data into a dated file on the SD card in a folder
> > called RESEARCH.
> > Each day will be in a new file, and each line will
> > have a complete
> > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text
> you
> > find on the SD
> > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > stuff at the beginning
> > can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps
> the
> > calculator
> > identify it as a plain text file).
> >
> >
> >
> > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08 10:09:14A
> > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> 10:10:38A
> >
> >
> > Begin program:
> >
> > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " +
> > DATE TIME TSTR
> > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG
> DUP
> > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP PURGE
> > STO END >>
> >
> > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks
> > alpha mode on during
> > entry. The storage will automatically create a new
> > file for the data
> > on the next day as needed, and all notes on the
> sane
> > day are appended
> > into the file. This program could be easily edited
> > and improved
> > depending on your needs.
> > ...
>
> __________________________________________________
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>

So the users of a 50g shouldn't expect Tim's code to
store the results. I wonder how he got the output.

--- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

> Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> error. Ed VE
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: The 50g
> allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I thought
> you
> have to use a 'variable' name.
>
> And how do you convert a "string" into a 'variable'?
>
> --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > program that would allow data entry with a
> > timestamp attached to each
> > > data point? This would be really handy for my
> > work. If I could make
> > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> would
> > definitely tip the
> > > balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.
> >
> > Here is a program that will prompt for your note,
> > and then store the
> > data into a dated file on the SD card in a folder
> > called RESEARCH.
> > Each day will be in a new file, and each line will
> > have a complete
> > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text
> you
> > find on the SD
> > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > stuff at the beginning
> > can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps
> the
> > calculator
> > identify it as a plain text file).
> >
> >
> >
> > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08 10:09:14A
> > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> 10:10:38A
> >
> >
> > Begin program:
> >
> > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " +
> > DATE TIME TSTR
> > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG
> DUP
> > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP PURGE
> > STO END >>
> >
> > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks
> > alpha mode on during
> > entry. The storage will automatically create a new
> > file for the data
> > on the next day as needed, and all notes on the
> sane
> > day are appended
> > into the file. This program could be easily edited
> > and improved
> > depending on your needs.
> > ...
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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> The ->TAG function.
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote: So the
> users of a 50g shouldn't expect Tim's code to
> store the results. I wonder how he got the output.
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> > 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> > error. Ed VE
> >
> > Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote: The 50g
> > allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> > 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I thought
> > you
> > have to use a 'variable' name.
> >
> > And how do you convert a "string" into a
> 'variable'?
> >
> > --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@...> wrote:
> >
> > > program that would allow data entry with a
> > > timestamp attached to each
> > > > data point? This would be really handy for my
> > > work. If I could make
> > > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> > would
> > > definitely tip the
> > > > balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.
> > >
> > > Here is a program that will prompt for your
> note,
> > > and then store the
> > > data into a dated file on the SD card in a
> folder
> > > called RESEARCH.
> > > Each day will be in a new file, and each line
> will
> > > have a complete
> > > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text
> > you
> > > find on the SD
> > > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > > stuff at the beginning
> > > can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps
> > the
> > > calculator
> > > identify it as a plain text file).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08
> 10:09:14A
> > > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> > 10:10:38A
> > >
> > >
> > > Begin program:
> > >
> > > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " +
> > > DATE TIME TSTR
> > > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG
> > DUP
> > > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP
> PURGE
> > > STO END >>
> > >
> > > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks
> > > alpha mode on during
> > > entry. The storage will automatically create a
> new
> > > file for the data
> > > on the next day as needed, and all notes on the
> > sane
> > > day are appended
> > > into the file. This program could be easily
> edited
> > > and improved
> > > depending on your needs.
> > > ...
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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> >
> >
> >
>
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>

Are you saying the 50g's ->TAG changes the
"RESEARCH/xxx. TXT" to 'RESEARCH/xxx. TXT' whereas the
49g's ->TAG function does not? Because if it doesn't,
STO will return an error if you feed it 3:
"RESEARCH/xxx. TXT".

--- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

> The ->TAG function.
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: So the
> users of a 50g shouldn't expect Tim's code to
> store the results. I wonder how he got the output.
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net>
> wrote:
>
> > Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> > 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> > error. Ed VE
> >
> > Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: The 50g
> > allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> > 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I thought
> > you
> > have to use a 'variable' name.
> >
> > And how do you convert a "string" into a
> 'variable'?
> >
> > --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > > program that would allow data entry with a
> > > timestamp attached to each
> > > > data point? This would be really handy for my
> > > work. If I could make
> > > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> > would
> > > definitely tip the
> > > > balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.
> > >
> > > Here is a program that will prompt for your
> note,
> > > and then store the
> > > data into a dated file on the SD card in a
> folder
> > > called RESEARCH.
> > > Each day will be in a new file, and each line
> will
> > > have a complete
> > > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text
> > you
> > > find on the SD
> > > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > > stuff at the beginning
> > > can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps
> > the
> > > calculator
> > > identify it as a plain text file).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08
> 10:09:14A
> > > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> > 10:10:38A
> > >
> > >
> > > Begin program:
> > >
> > > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " +
> > > DATE TIME TSTR
> > > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG
> > DUP
> > > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP
> PURGE
> > > STO END >>
> > >
> > > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks
> > > alpha mode on during
> > > entry. The storage will automatically create a
> new
> > > file for the data
> > > on the next day as needed, and all notes on the
> > sane
> > > day are appended
> > > into the file. This program could be easily
> edited
> > > and improved
> > > depending on your needs.
> > > ...
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail. yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> Hi Don Ed Von Essen here again.
> To answer your question, no, ->TAG should work
> the same on both. And it is described on page 21-33
> of the 50G User Guide.
>
> Now to eat a little crow. In the past, I had
> tried using :3: and when entered, this produces
> an INVALID SYNTAX error. However, one can type in
> :3:"FILENAME" and press enter. This results in
> 3: "FILENAME" on the command line and providing
> that there is an object on line 2 of the stack, that
> object can be STOred on the SD Card.
>
> As an aside, I have been using my 50G for this
> because when I try to store anything out on the SD
> card in the 49G+, I am getting a DISK FULL
> error. Evidently too much stock data on it.
>
> What I said about having to purge a file on the
> SD card before using that file name again still
> holds true. Just tried writing an object to the
> same file I used a little while ago and this
> resulted in a STO Error: Object In Use .
>
> By the way, I just bought 48 AAA batteries at
> Costco for about 12.50 plus tax today. They are
> Costco's own brand, Kirkland, which have worked OK
> in other applications in the past.
>
> HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
> The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
>
> And I haven't had to use the ->TAG function
> on any of this, this afternoon. Although I haven't
> tried any of this in a program, only from the
> command line.
>
> There's too much to learn and not enough time or
> head memory to do it.
> Regards Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote:
> Are you saying the 50g's ->TAG changes the
> "RESEARCH/xxx.TXT" to 'RESEARCH/xxx.TXT' whereas the
> 49g's ->TAG function does not? Because if it
> doesn't,
> STO will return an error if you feed it 3:
> "RESEARCH/xxx.TXT".
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...>
> wrote:
>
> > The ->TAG function.
> >
> > Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote: So the
> > users of a 50g shouldn't expect Tim's code to
> > store the results. I wonder how he got the output.
> >
> > --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> > > 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> > > error. Ed VE
> > >
> > > Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote: The 50g
> > > allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> > > 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I
> thought
> > > you
> > > have to use a 'variable' name.
> > >
> > > And how do you convert a "string" into a
> > 'variable'?
> > >
> > > --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > program that would allow data entry with a
> > > > timestamp attached to each
> > > > > data point? This would be really handy for
> my
> > > > work. If I could make
> > > > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> > > would
> > > > definitely tip the
> > > > > balance toward this calculator over the
> TI-89.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a program that will prompt for your
> > note,
> > > > and then store the
> > > > data into a dated file on the SD card in a
> > folder
> > > > called RESEARCH.
> > > > Each day will be in a new file, and each line
> > will
> > > > have a complete
> > > > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact
> text
> > > you
> > > > find on the SD
> > > > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > > > stuff at the beginning
> > > > can easily be erased in a text editor - it
> helps
> > > the
> > > > calculator
> > > > identify it as a plain text file).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08
> > 10:09:14A
> > > > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > > > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> > > 10:10:38A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Begin program:
> > > >
> > > > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- "
> +
> > > > DATE TIME TSTR
> > > > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3"
> ->TAG
> > > DUP
> > > > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP
> > PURGE
> > > > STO END >>
> > > >
> > > > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This
> locks
> > > > alpha mode on during
> > > > entry. The storage will automatically create a
> > new
> > > > file for the data
> > > > on the next day as needed, and all notes on
> the
> > > sane
> > > > day are appended
> > > > into the file. This program could be easily
> > edited
> > > > and improved
> > > > depending on your needs.
> > > > ...
> > >
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > > protection around
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > protection around
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> >
> >
> >
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>

> ...
> HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
> The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
>

Ah, so the 50g IS different in that respect & explains
why Tim's prog works but not on the 49g. Thanks, Ed,
for being patient with me.

As for your DISK FULL error, I find consolidating data
into list and saving the list as one object cuts down
on the number of individual files. Depending on what
exactly you're doing, it might help in your case too.

W/R batteries, I've been using NiMH batteries in my
hp48 on a trial basis. They seem to work fine except
there's almost no grace period between the batt
warning & full dead. I usually pull them out a little
early (knowing about how long they last) & finish
using them in my mp3 player.

Any way, thanks for your help

--- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

> Hi Don Ed Von Essen here again.
> To answer your question, no, ->TAG should work
> the same on both. And it is described on page 21-33
> of the 50G User Guide.
>
> Now to eat a little crow. In the past, I had
> tried using :3: and when entered, this produces
> an INVALID SYNTAX error. However, one can type in
> :3:"FILENAME" and press enter. This results in
> 3: "FILENAME" on the command line and providing
> that there is an object on line 2 of the stack, that
> object can be STOred on the SD Card.
>
> As an aside, I have been using my 50G for this
> because when I try to store anything out on the SD
> card in the 49G+, I am getting a DISK FULL
> error. Evidently too much stock data on it.
>
> What I said about having to purge a file on the
> SD card before using that file name again still
> holds true. Just tried writing an object to the
> same file I used a little while ago and this
> resulted in a STO Error: Object In Use .
>
> By the way, I just bought 48 AAA batteries at
> Costco for about 12.50 plus tax today. They are
> Costco's own brand, Kirkland, which have worked OK
> in other applications in the past.
>
> HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
> The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
>
> And I haven't had to use the ->TAG function
> on any of this, this afternoon. Although I haven't
> tried any of this in a program, only from the
> command line.
>
> There's too much to learn and not enough time or
> head memory to do it.
> Regards Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Are you saying the 50g's ->TAG changes the
> "RESEARCH/xxx. TXT" to 'RESEARCH/xxx. TXT' whereas the
> 49g's ->TAG function does not? Because if it
> doesn't,
> STO will return an error if you feed it 3:
> "RESEARCH/xxx. TXT".
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net>
> wrote:
>
> > The ->TAG function.
> >
> > Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: So the
> > users of a 50g shouldn't expect Tim's code to
> > store the results. I wonder how he got the output.
> >
> > --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> > > 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> > > error. Ed VE
> > >
> > > Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: The 50g
> > > allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> > > 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I
> thought
> > > you
> > > have to use a 'variable' name.
> > >
> > > And how do you convert a "string" into a
> > 'variable'?
> > >
> > > --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > program that would allow data entry with a
> > > > timestamp attached to each
> > > > > data point? This would be really handy for
> my
> > > > work. If I could make
> > > > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> > > would
> > > > definitely tip the
> > > > > balance toward this calculator over the
> TI-89.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a program that will prompt for your
> > note,
> > > > and then store the
> > > > data into a dated file on the SD card in a
> > folder
> > > > called RESEARCH.
> > > > Each day will be in a new file, and each line
> > will
> > > > have a complete
> > > > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact
> text
> > > you
> > > > find on the SD
> > > > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > > > stuff at the beginning
> > > > can easily be erased in a text editor - it
> helps
> > > the
> > > > calculator
> > > > identify it as a plain text file).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08
> > 10:09:14A
> > > > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > > > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> > > 10:10:38A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Begin program:
> > > >
> > > > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- "
> +
> > > > DATE TIME TSTR
> > > > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3"
> ->TAG
> > > DUP
> > > > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP
> > PURGE
> > > > STO END >>
> > > >
> > > > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This
> locks
> > > > alpha mode on during
> > > > entry. The storage will automatically create a
> > new
> > > > file for the data
> > > > on the next day as needed, and all notes on
> the
> > > sane
> > > > day are appended
> > > > into the file. This program could be easily
> > edited
> > > > and improved
> > > > depending on your needs.
> > > > ...
> > >
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Ah, so the 50g IS different in that respect & explains
why Tim's prog works but not on the 49g. Thanks, Ed,
for being patient with me.

As for your DISK FULL error, I find consolidating data
into list and saving the list as one object cuts down
on the number of individual files. Depending on what
exactly you're doing, it might help in your case too.

W/R batteries, I've been using NiMH batteries in my
hp48 on a trial basis. They seem to work fine except
there's almost no grace period between the batt
warning & full dead. I usually pull them out a little
early (knowing about how long they last) & finish
using them in my mp3 player.

Any way, thanks for your help

--- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

> Hi Don Ed Von Essen here again.
> To answer your question, no, ->TAG should work
> the same on both. And it is described on page 21-33
> of the 50G User Guide.
>
> Now to eat a little crow. In the past, I had
> tried using :3: and when entered, this produces
> an INVALID SYNTAX error. However, one can type in
> :3:"FILENAME" and press enter. This results in
> 3: "FILENAME" on the command line and providing
> that there is an object on line 2 of the stack, that
> object can be STOred on the SD Card.
>
> As an aside, I have been using my 50G for this
> because when I try to store anything out on the SD
> card in the 49G+, I am getting a DISK FULL
> error. Evidently too much stock data on it.
>
> What I said about having to purge a file on the
> SD card before using that file name again still
> holds true. Just tried writing an object to the
> same file I used a little while ago and this
> resulted in a STO Error: Object In Use .
>
> By the way, I just bought 48 AAA batteries at
> Costco for about 12.50 plus tax today. They are
> Costco's own brand, Kirkland, which have worked OK
> in other applications in the past.
>
> HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
> The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
>
> And I haven't had to use the ->TAG function
> on any of this, this afternoon. Although I haven't
> tried any of this in a program, only from the
> command line.
>
> There's too much to learn and not enough time or
> head memory to do it.
> Regards Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Are you saying the 50g's ->TAG changes the
> "RESEARCH/xxx. TXT" to 'RESEARCH/xxx. TXT' whereas the
> 49g's ->TAG function does not? Because if it
> doesn't,
> STO will return an error if you feed it 3:
> "RESEARCH/xxx. TXT".
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net>
> wrote:
>
> > The ->TAG function.
> >
> > Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: So the
> > users of a 50g shouldn't expect Tim's code to
> > store the results. I wonder how he got the output.
> >
> > --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ sbcglobal. net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don you gotta use the single quotes [ Row 4, Col
> > > 3 ] for the STO name [ 'name' ] else you get an
> > > error. Ed VE
> > >
> > > Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote: The 50g
> > > allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> > > 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I
> thought
> > > you
> > > have to use a 'variable' name.
> > >
> > > And how do you convert a "string" into a
> > 'variable'?
> > >
> > > --- Tim Wessman <timwessman@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > program that would allow data entry with a
> > > > timestamp attached to each
> > > > > data point? This would be really handy for
> my
> > > > work. If I could make
> > > > > use of the internal clock in this way, that
> > > would
> > > > definitely tip the
> > > > > balance toward this calculator over the
> TI-89.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a program that will prompt for your
> > note,
> > > > and then store the
> > > > data into a dated file on the SD card in a
> > folder
> > > > called RESEARCH.
> > > > Each day will be in a new file, and each line
> > will
> > > > have a complete
> > > > timestamp. Here is an example of the exact
> text
> > > you
> > > > find on the SD
> > > > card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny
> > > > stuff at the beginning
> > > > can easily be erased in a text editor - it
> helps
> > > the
> > > > calculator
> > > > identify it as a plain text file).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08
> > 10:09:14A
> > > > TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
> > > > RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08
> > > 10:10:38A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Begin program:
> > > >
> > > > << "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- "
> +
> > > > DATE TIME TSTR
> > > > + 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3"
> ->TAG
> > > DUP
> > > > IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP
> > PURGE
> > > > STO END >>
> > > >
> > > > The \Ga means greek alpha character. This
> locks
> > > > alpha mode on during
> > > > entry. The storage will automatically create a
> > new
> > > > file for the data
> > > > on the next day as needed, and all notes on
> the
> > > sane
> > > > day are appended
> > > > into the file. This program could be easily
> > edited
> > > > and improved
> > > > depending on your needs.
> > > > ...
> > >
> > >
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> Don I rarely use the 49G. SLOW!!!!! I actually
> have no reason to have any of the G series except
> curiosity. And yes, HP has added functions as new
> models come out. Do you have any clue on how to
> update to the new version [2.09 ?} Ed
> ...

> Hi Don Ed here.
>
> The DISK FULL error is occurring with FILES
> showing 52608 KB remaining on the SD card, a 64 KB
> unit. It came as a complete surprise.
>

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote:

I think the SD card is formated to FAT16 or FAT32. And
I think all FAT drives have a limit on the number of
files that can be stored in the root directory. Wasn't
it you who said you have a lot of files on it? That
may be your problem.

--- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...> wrote:

> Hi Don  Ed here.

>
>   The DISK FULL error is occurring with FILES
> showing 52608 KB remaining on the SD card, a 64 KB
> unit.  It came as a complete surprise.
>

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Yes, it is possible that you have exceeded the limit of existing files, instead of running out of space. This may happen if you have a lot of files, doesn't matter the size of them - even some computers may have this problem (for a gigantic number of files, though).

Here is something to check if this is really the case: try erasing two files and storing one bigger than both. If you can store this file, maybe my hypothesis is right.

André

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Don Hart <ddhart1@yahoo. com> wrote:

I think the SD card is formated to FAT16 or FAT32. And
I think all FAT drives have a limit on the number of
files that can be stored in the root directory. Wasn't
it you who said you have a lot of files on it? That
may be your problem.

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> Hi Don  Ed here.

>
>   The DISK FULL error is occurring with FILES
> showing 52608 KB remaining on the SD card, a 64 KB
> unit.  It came as a complete surprise.
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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...> wrote:

Andre'    Ed here.   I counted approximately 504 objects on the SD card.  I say 504 because I may have skipped a few.  My down arrow key may bounce and advance by two objects. 

 

Next, I deleted two of the last objects (872 bytes each).  Then I stored a real object (19 bytes).  That was OK.  When I tried to repeat this with a different real object, the 49G screen went blank, changed intensity, blinking different shades of gray, reset and restarted.  I checked the SD card and the first object I stored is there.  The second object I tried to store came up as a string and the object is a blank, i.e., no display on the screen when view is pressed.  So I now have objects  A1  and  A2  , the object names I used, on the SD card.

 

Then I tried storing object  A3  on the SD card and got the DISK FULL error.  Otherwise, I can still store objects in regular [home] memory.   So I hope this answers your question.

It is interesting to note that I did not use ->TAG to store objects in SD memory.  After entering data onto the stack, one enters the :: key , then 3, then > to shift the cursor right, next enter the "" key, then ALPHA , A, 1, and press ENTER.  Then press STO.

 

To store in HOME memory, one puts data on the stack, presses the '  [single quote] key, ALPHA, A, 1, ENTER, and STO.

 

The real data I used is:   355, ENTER, 113, / (divide).  Result is 3.1415929, an easy way to get close to PI.  And easy to remember    113355.

 

So, to avoid DISK FULL errors, compact your data into really big objects  or use multiple SD cards.  It'll mean somewhat longer processing time but will result in no surprises. 

 

Regards    Ed Von Essen

 

André Neves <andrechalella@...> wrote:

Yes, it is possible that you have exceeded the limit of existing files, instead of running out of space. This may happen if you have a lot of files, doesn't matter the size of them - even some computers may have this problem (for a gigantic number of files, though).

Here is something to check if this is really the case: try erasing two files and storing one bigger than both. If you can store this file, maybe my hypothesis is right.

André

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote:

I think the SD card is formated to FAT16 or FAT32. And
I think all FAT drives have a limit on the number of
files that can be stored in the root directory. Wasn't
it you who said you have a lot of files on it? That
may be your problem.

--- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...> wrote:

> Hi Don  Ed here.

>
>   The DISK FULL error is occurring with FILES
> showing 52608 KB remaining on the SD card, a 64 KB
> unit.  It came as a complete surprise.
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program that would allow data entry with a timestamp attached to each
> data point? This would be really handy for my work. If I could make
> use of the internal clock in this way, that would definitely tip the
> balance toward this calculator over the TI-89.

Here is a program that will prompt for your note, and then store the
data into a dated file on the SD card in a folder called RESEARCH.
Each day will be in a new file, and each line will have a complete
timestamp. Here is an example of the exact text you find on the SD
card in a file named "4.092008.TXT" (the funny stuff at the beginning
can easily be erased in a text editor - it helps the calculator
identify it as a plain text file).

HPHP49-X,*°1 2 3 4 5 6 -- WED 04/09/08 10:09:14A
TESTING -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:08A
RUN AWAY LITTLE RABBIT!!! -- WED 04/09/08 10:10:38A

Begin program:

<< "Enter Profound Notes" { \Ga } INPUT " -- " + DATE TIME TSTR
+ 10 CHR + "RESEARCH/" DATE + ".TXT" + "3" ->TAG DUP
IFERR RCL THEN DROP STO ELSE ROT + SWAP DUP PURGE STO END >>

The \Ga means greek alpha character. This locks alpha mode on during
entry. The storage will automatically create a new file for the data
on the next day as needed, and all notes on the sane day are appended
into the file. This program could be easily edited and improved
depending on your needs.

> How do you find the battery life on the 50g? How many hours of
> operation might I get from a fresh set of AAAs?

Depends on how long you are using, but it can be anywhere from a week
to a month depending on usage. Note a week is about what I get on
mine while I am doing heavy programming/ flash memory writes for around
6-8 hours a day. Your usage would probably be much less and so I'd
guess more around the month range.

Where are you going to be? Is ruggedness an issue? If so, you might
want something that can survive being dropped out a 4th story building
onto concrete, will take a hollowpoint .22 bullet at 100 feet
(depending on where you are going that could save your life. . . ;-),
is completely weatherproof, floats on water, AND gives you the ability
to use 4-AA batteries which will give you several months of battery
life. Only downside is about a x3 increased weight of the bare
calculator and about a x2.5 volume increase. The cost is also more
than the calculator itself as we are still trying to pay off the cost
of the steel injection molds, but I could probably work out a deal if
needed. The first link is to the main page where you can see the unit
all put together, and the second is just the box.

http://pssllc. com
http://pssllc. com/index. php?main_ page=product_ info&cPath= 3&products_ id=11

TW

--- In 50g@yahoogroups.com, Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote:
>
> In case you or any lurkers care, the guide is at
> www.hpcalc.org in PDF format.
>
> When you get there, search for... hp49 pocket guide
> There are a few related files.
>
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
> > The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
> >
>
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As a follow-up, I found a pocket guide (PDF) for the 50g here:
http://username. localhost. googlepages. com/hp50gquickgu ide.pdf

It's a command summary only, doesn't have the error messages, flags,
etc.

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> In case you or any lurkers care, the guide is at
> www.hpcalc.org in PDF format.
>
> When you get there, search for... hp49 pocket guide
> There are a few related files.
>
>
> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@ ...> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
> > The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
> >
>
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> As a follow-up, I found a pocket guide (PDF) for the 50g here:
> http://username.localhost.googlepages.com/hp50gquickguide.pdf
>
> It's a command summary only, doesn't have the error messages, flags,
> etc.
>
>
> --- In 50g@yahoogroups.com, Don Hart <ddhart1@...> wrote:
>>
>> In case you or any lurkers care, the guide is at
>> www.hpcalc.org in PDF format.
>>
>> When you get there, search for... hp49 pocket guide
>> There are a few related files.
>>
>>
>> --- Nancy Von Essen <ceeshellmom@...> wrote:
>>
>> > ...
>> > HP should furnish a Pocket Guide with the 50G.
>> > The one that came with the 49G is very helpful.
>> >
>>
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> The 50g allows you to store under a "string" name? My
> 49g gives STO error: bad argument type. I thought you
> have to use a 'variable' name.

> And how do you convert a "string" into a 'variable'?

> Tim Ed here. Just wanted to say thanks for the help I received

> I have a couple of questions; is it possible to determine how

> and is it possible to simulate a key stroke in a program?

> Do you mean update the 50g to 2.09? I don't think the
> 49g can use it because the code is designed to use the
> ARM chip. The 50g runs under emulation on an ARM chip.

> > Do you mean update the 50g to 2.09? I don't think
> the
> > 49g can use it because the code is designed to use
> the
> > ARM chip. The 50g runs under emulation on an ARM
> chip.
>
> There are some special paths they built in to bypass
> the ARM sections
> in the emultor ROM. You can actually install 2.09
> from the emulator
> onto a 49g as well.
>
> I think this thread has the info you'd need, and I
> am pretty sure
> there is a version on Bernard Parisse's page you can
> use also. Yes,
> just searched and found it on BP's page. That is
> version 2.10-6 (or
> maybe 2.10-7, can't remember). Has some new stuff
> like a spreadsheet
> and geometry aplet. HP never got around to
> releasing it.
>
>

>

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Now that you mention it, I do remember some talk about
such an upgrade on comp.sys.hp48. Thanks for the
info!!

I also have come to realize Ed means 49g+ when he says
49g.

--- Tim Wessman <timwessman@yahoo. com> wrote:

> > Do you mean update the 50g to 2.09? I don't think
> the
> > 49g can use it because the code is designed to use
> the
> > ARM chip. The 50g runs under emulation on an ARM
> chip.
>
> There are some special paths they built in to bypass
> the ARM sections
> in the emultor ROM. You can actually install 2.09
> from the emulator
> onto a 49g as well.
>
> I think this thread has the info you'd need, and I
> am pretty sure
> there is a version on Bernard Parisse's page you can
> use also. Yes,
> just searched and found it on BP's page. That is
> version 2.10-6 (or
> maybe 2.10-7, can't remember). Has some new stuff
> like a spreadsheet
> and geometry aplet. HP never got around to
> releasing it.
>
>
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