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Subject: RE: [motm] Re: 5xx series in a MOTM format

From: "John L Rice" <Drummer@...>
Date: 2012-08-18

Hi Greg,

I don't think you'll have to worry, only if you want to sell it in the near
future. If you wait until it gets to vintage status, ORIGINAL Synth Tech
MOTM modules with the original panels and components etc etc that haven't
been made in 20 years. ;-) MOTM 5U may never get as crazy as Moog modules
but, when they were still being manufactured they were really expensive for
the times, then check what they went for in the later 80's early 90's, then
see what even small and poorly maintained systems are going for today!
(example: a band mate bought a used MiniMoog in the mid 80's for $175 and
then a few years later sold it to me for $125! They go for $3000 to $5000
these days.)

But it seems to me that investment concerns are only secondary? If a quick
ROI was the primary goal, then folks should have watched the market and
trends and sold their MOTM modulars when they could have gotten more for
them then Paul was charging?

Anyways, I have a nice smallish Eurorack system now in addition to my big
mixed 5U system. While the Eurorack stuff is quite awesome, it has crossed
my mind several times just to sell it all because, the 5U stuff is
definitely more enjoyable to work with for me and . . . I hate to start a
crap storm but . . . I'm pretty sure the 5u stuff sounds better to me!
<ducking>

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg James [mailto:gjames@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:21 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'John L Rice'
> Subject: RE: [motm] Re: 5xx series in a MOTM format
>
> John,
>
> This is my personal situation, so I'm not trying to generalize this to
> anyone else.
>
> I made a decision to standardize on the MOTM format back in 2003. Between
> 2003 and 2008 I built a MOTM format system that consumes over 8 2-row
cases
> (~250 modules). I bought "survival" parts and kits for the inevitable. I
got
> extra power supplies, knobs, pots, ICs, etc. etc.
>
> All told, I've got the equivalent of an expensive car sitting here that is
> depreciating, not holding its value. Used MOTM format modules are
regularly
> selling for less than their kit prices used to be. Ironically, the only
> modules I have that are increasing in value are the ones designed by
> Jeurgen, and he never sold anything more than PCBs!
>
> >From a purely financial standpoint, the MOTM format is losing it's value
> because Euro (which was supposed to be cheap crap according to everyone
back
> in 2003) now has all the new, innovative modules, including Paul's. And
> Paul, one of the people decrying the Euro format back then, is now all-in
on
> Euro. So the message from the "father of MOTM" is it's dead.
>
> Nobody in their right mind would pay the same price I paid for my system
> today because the future is Euro. If I had to do it all over again, I
> wouldn't choose MOTM. But in the meantime, I'm enjoying what I've built,
and
> getting lost in my music. I would have preferred that when I can't use it
> anymore, I'll at least get my money back, but that's probably not going to
> happen.
>
> -Greg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
L
> Rice
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:01 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] Re: 5xx series in a MOTM format
>
> I seriously don't get why people are upset indicating that they invested
> many thousands in their awesome MOTM synths and now they are "screwed"
> because there isn't going to be any new Synth Tech MOTM designs in the
> foreseeable future!??? They still have an incredible looking and sounding
> modular synth, one of the very best in the business, arguably THE best!
:-)
> It's not like it's going to stop working or something. ;-) Moog hasn't
> built a module in a long time and the owners of those systems aren't
> complaining about THEIR investments! lol
>
> If you want kits to build for the sake of building but have everything
that
> you want that is available, get some BrideChamber kits, build them and
sell
> them on forums and Ebay etc. There are people who can't DIY and would love
> to buy them. You say it wouldn't be profitable? Well . . . then why would
> Paul do it? ;-)
>
>
>
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