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Subject: RE: [motm] Essential modules

From: eric f <ach_gott@...>
Date: 2009-02-16

Paul:
>>what essential modules, not available from other sources, are still
missing in the MOTM line.<<

Greg:
>I would say none, now that Bridechamber and Krisp1 are filling in the gaps
left behind from the MOTM/Stooge days. I would have preferred to buy ALL my
core modules from Synthtech. But the Oakley/Krisp1/ Bridechamber offerings
are MOTM-quality and are available now, so I have no regrets.<

I agree except:
= A sequencer offering of some kind.  Coupled with the 730 this would be a superlative.  The existing 600 design probably won't do anymore. 

>I think you are ~6 modules away from having the "core" locked-up. A VC-ADSR, a VCA
to end all VCA's, an uber-LFO, a killer, programmable DCO, the filters
you've already discussed publicly. If it comes down to "I can only offer it
and make a buck if it's pre-built, SMT" then I say do it that way.<

I don't think the 810 is all that viable without additional features that make it more interesting.  Krisp1 & the 04B have that taken care of.  A programmable DCO would be interesting, but someone would have to sell Paul on it as I don't think Paul would be able to invest the time in coding it.  I'm not sure what would make an LFO or a VCA so very uber-alles, but you have me incredibly curious. 

The product line is known for its filter selection, so I think that releasing more filters is going to underscore the brand as long as new offerings are distinctive. 

But I think in the end that esoteric modules will be what takes the SynthTech identity from the subtractive/Electronotes legacy and gives it the identity that will make it the sort of instrument about which people reminisce.  The trick is to invent uncommon realizations of commonly needed functions.  And then to sell the notion using an array of demos, etc. and finding artists who will assist in the development who will advocate for the end product. 

cheers,
eric f


--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Greg James <gjames@...> wrote:
From: Greg James <gjames@...>
Subject: RE: [motm] Essential modules
To: "'Paul Schreiber'" <synth1@...>, motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 1:04 PM

Responses

" what essential modules, not available from other sources, are still
missing in the MOTM line."

I would say none, now that Bridechamber and Krisp1 are filling in the gaps
left behind from the MOTM/Stooge days. I would have preferred to buy ALL my
core modules from Synthtech. But the Oakley/Krisp1/ Bridechamber offerings
are MOTM-quality and are available now, so I have no regrets.

"if I spend all my R&D time on 'esoteric', SMT-only modules, will they be
sold in enough quantities to be worthwhile?"

I suspect you, better then most of us, know the answer to that one. I think
you are ~6 modules away from having the "core" locked-up. A VC-ADSR, a VCA
to end all VCA's, an uber-LFO, a killer, programmable DCO, the filters
you've already discussed publicly. If it comes down to "I can only offer it
and make a buck if it's pre-built, SMT" then I say do it that way.

"if there are other, modules I need to focus on ('blank board friendly' or
not) then what are they?"

My 2 cents: I'd love to have you forego a vocoder and maybe even the
filterbank and offer instead a 1U parametric equalizer/resonator type
module. Assuming it's an extremely well spec'd channel, I can buy however
many of these I want to build-up an n-way equalizer/vocoder. Full VC
frequency and Q control. Some of Elhardt's prior posts on this topic might
be worth reviewing. I may be glossing over some important details, but I
hope you get my intent.

" is my R&D time better spent doing more filters, panners, peramp that sort
of thing?"

I've partially answered this above. But some additional observations
regarding what's already available are in order. But before I do that, I'd
like to re-state that I'd be extremely happy and supportive if you came out
with what's already been proposed. Also, as an owner of 3 '650's, I'd like
to see a resolution to firmware issues too.

Observations

Oakley now has essentially a parallel line-up, with some notable offerings
that are still missing in Synthtech's (per my earlier posting). And Tony
looks to be happy with his "filter core" design strategy as a way to add
more variety to his line-up. The partnership with Bridechamber and Krisp1
makes their modules very attractive.

Jeurgen has literally opened-up a wide, new world of effects type kits over
the past months. Plus he's added some interesting filter options to the mix.
The main constraint for us MOTM-types are panels, which Scott has been
steadily bringing to market. I've signed-up for the Haible/Bridechamber
subscription plan!

Blacet seems to have withdrawn significantly from the MOTM market due to
post-Stooge panel sourcing issues and perhaps the rising costs of pots and
jacks. That's just my impression from the one or two exchanges I've had with
Tony. Nevertheless, some of his "esoteric" modules have garnered a lot of
interest in the MOTM community over the years. I hope Scott Deyo takes up
the challenge and finds a way to offer Blacet's current and back-catalog
panels. I've got a number PCB's and Fraq-format modules I'd like to migrate
to MOTM. Otherwise it looks like I'm going to have to build a Fraq cabinet.

Tellun has always impressed me as a niche-filler: Expanders for core MOTM
modules, more esoteric stuff (ribbon controller, bar-code displays, etc.),
and lately a bunch of nice, 1U utility modules. All made viable in part to
Scott Deyo's willingness to offer panels.

Cyndustries - the ZO looks to have been a one-hit MOTM-land wonder. The
Sawtooth Animators were clearly not up to MOTM standards. You need to expel
the ZO jinx from your psyche. It doesn't look like much more in MOTM format
will come from them. And if it does, well, as you said, it ain't '06
anymore...

CGS - to my eyes, offers a wide variety of unique CV and "logic" options. In
a "west-coast" type system, a bunch of these would be considered essential.
Not so much in an "east-coast" system. Nevertheless, I have Ken's Synthacon
filters, Bi_N_Tic VCF/Oscillators, Wave Multipliers, Super Psycho LFOs, and
his uber Sub-Oscillator which is still a bench project right now.

Concluding Comments

Paul, I seem to recall you saying once that your real passion is filter
design. If that's the case, then I say go for it. Do what gives you the most
pleasure. As I stated above, if you include these other sources, it looks to
me like all the essentials for an analog MOTM system are covered.

If you want the satisfaction of saying Synthtech provides all core modules,
then you've got a handful left to go.

Lastly, you've embarked on a new direction with your AudioEngine platform.
You obviously had visions of what might be possible going down that road.
Maybe it's time to do some marketing research and brainstorm ideas for the
next AudioEngine module (maybe an uber-programmable additive synthesis
module?)

-Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups. com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:44 AM
To: gjames@kddlab. com; motm@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [motm] Essential modules

Don't get me wrong, the esoteric stuff is great. But I want to build upon a
core, well-spec'd, MOTM quality, analog system.

I would be curious to know what essential modules, not available from other
sources, are still missing in the MOTM line.

This is what the previous discussions have distilled down to:

a) if I spend all my R&D time on 'esoteric', SMT-only modules, will they be
sold in enough quantities to be worthwhile?

b) if there are other, modules I need to focus on ('blank board friendly' or

not) then what are they?

c) is my R&D time better spent doing more filters, panners, peramp that sort

of thing?

Paul S.

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