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Subject: RE: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux

From: "Paul Haneberg" <phaneber@...>
Date: 2005-06-10

I have a lot of complaints with the way V-Drums do Midi.
When I record V-drums I record the midi stream, but I also record each
pad to its own audio channel.
When I go to edit, I make multiple copies of the midi track, because the
midi track has so much undocumented junk that I often can't tell which
drum is which. So I compare the timing of the midi hits with the audio
track for each drum and edit till I have a separate midi track for each
drum. Then I put them all back together into one midi track.
Then I either feed that back into the V-Drums or I use BFD (which sound
far more natural.)
Usually I end up using mostly BFD stuff, but mixing in some V-Drum,
particularly on the kick.

This is all very time consuming, but I like the result. Even when
recording real drums I often will augment them with V-Drum samples.
Usually I use sound replacer for that, but sometimes I'll EQ and gate a
drum track till I have one drum pretty well isolated, then I feed the
audio signal into the one of the Aux inputs on the V-Drum head.

This give me a midi signal, which I then edit. (The V-Drum head needs
to be adjusted to treat the audio signal with the right amount of
sensitivity and to minimize multiple triggers.) Then I use it to
trigger something else such as BFD.

There ought to be a better way, but I haven't found it yet.

Paul Haneberg



-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Greg Amann
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:00 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux

It sure has a certain romance to tank MIDI entirely and trigger the
modular from the V-Drums directly. It also sounds like solving the
technical issues to get it to work in a performance setting would
consume A LOT of time and money and, in the end, be re-inventing the
wheel that Roland has spent years perfecting. I assume that Paul
agrees with this since his silence after my original post was
deafening. ;-)

So now the technical problem is this: drum brains allow you to
transmit any MIDI note you want, but they do not allow you to transmit
the various pads on various MIDI channels. So I will need a MIDI to
CV converter that allows me to split the MIDI stream based on MIDI
notes. Will the MOTM-650 allow me to send MIDI note "x" to CV1 and
MIDI note "y" to CV2 etc. when "x" and "y" are on the same MIDI channel?

PLL, BFG

PS: When does the MOTM-650 begin shipping? I ask this out of
curiousity with no intent to torture poor 'ol Pauly.








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