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Subject: Re: 800 time

From: "paulhaneberg" <phaneber@...>
Date: 2003-05-14

The 800 uses a Panasonic SU series Bipolar 'Lytic. The Digikey part
# is P1198 for 3.3M, P1196 for 1M and P1280 for 10M.
I would have the 1M in circuit at all times. With the toggle in
upper position a 3.3M would be in parallel with the 1M for 4.3M.
With the toggle in lower position a 10M would be in parallel with
the 1M for 11M. I might consider trying a 22M just to see what it
is like.
I have a Studio Electronics SE-1 which has a quicker attack than the
MOTM (I think - at least it sounds that way to me). I really like
the pop on the attack under some situations.



--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, media.nai@r... wrote:
> At 2:39 PM +0000 5/14/03, paulhaneberg wrote:
> >
> >I was planning on adding a 3 position toggle to my 800s, allowing
> >for three caps to be selected.
>
> It fits on a 190, so that sounds like it would work.
>
> >The middle range would use the
> >3.3uf. I was going to use a 10uf for the long range. I hadn't
> >selected a cap for the short range yet. I was thinking about a
1uf,
> >but I may go a little smaller depending on how fast I want to get.
>
> I was thinking of building three versions (I have one 800 built,
two kits
> arrived last week, and two more are on backorder) making three
stock,
> one extra fast, and one extra slow. Since I am also adding Moe's
LED
> mod, my plan is to use three different colors to tell them apart.
>
> I'm thinking of keeping 3.3uF as the stock value (even though Paul
S.
> says 6M8 is "ideal"), using 1uF for snappy, and 22uF for extra long
> sweeps and fades.
>
> Then again I'm just guessing. Based on reported results, 3M3 is 14
> seconds and 10M is 25 seconds. So I'm thinking 1M would be be a
> maximum of about 7 seconds, (which is still pretty long) and 22M
> would be about 35 seconds.
>
> > I will probably get some stooge panels made for my 800s as I am
> >thinking of adding some other mods as well. I'm playing with a
> >design for a voltage controlled trigger/gate delay and also with
the
> >idea of enabling the 800 to retrigger itself so that it would act
as
> >sort of a LFO. I have not decided how much of this to incorporate
> >into a modified 800. I may just make stand alone addons.
>
> Imho, stand-alone addons would be more flexible and less invasive.
>
> >BTW, I was planning on replacing C9 with the smallest cap and then
> >adding the other caps in parallel when the toggle is switched.
That
> >way I could use a three position center off toggle, but I'm unsure
> >whether this will create a leakage problem.
>
> How would that create a leakage problem?? Have you found source
and
> part number for low-leakage non-polar radial caps?? So far it is
> between the Panasonic SU and the Xicon NPRL. Any idea which part
> the 800 uses for 3.3uf?? I can't tell from the markings.
>
>
> At 9:25 PM -0400 5/13/03, media.nai@r... wrote:
> >Digikey lists three different Xicon radial 6.8uF 50V non-polar and
> >bi-polar caps in their catalog on page 265.
>
> Doh!! That should be Mouser instead of Digikey. It's on page 265
of
> Mouser catlaog 612. Digikey lists the Panasonic SU.