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Subject: Re: SDS 9 Schematic - permission to pass to others?

From: hr.public@...
Date: 2017-01-16

Patrice, reading your text and looking at domain nameyour mail are sent from seems somewhat ironic J

 

From collectors point of view one could argue that theoriginal schematics are more valuable than the SDX itself, as it most likely aremore rare. Therefore it should never ever be copied as it could hurt thecollector value J

 

But my serious thoughts on the matter. To my knowledgeDave are no longer here to collect on the intellectual property of theseschematics. Nor do the new brand name owner actively supporting any of the oldgear. I don’t know if they actually own any rights other than the name? And tomy knowledge there are no longer any legal patented design luring inside thesepapers. Therefore normal copyrights for printed/ published content would apply.

 

Which mean that we are not allowed to sell copies ofour version of the schematics. Which in practical terms means any faulty SDX isa brick if one not already have access to the schematic as Dave won’t respondto sell you a copy.

However, in most countries in the world we will beallowed to lend our copy to anyone of our liking. And they can legally takecopies for personal use.

 

Here in Norway a copy shop settled a case where theytried to help out students in a pinch. What they did were to copy a book thatwere out of print and sell it at normal copy price, as if the students met upin the shop and copied it them self. What initially gave them trouble wherethey for practical reason had them in stock (this before scan and print on demandwhere available).

Reason they got away with it where that the copy rightholder had no plans to reprint the book and the university had made the bummerto include the book in the students required reading list for that semester.Low volume, for education reason only, no danger of repetition as universityremoved the requirement and practical thinking won the case.

 

So practical thinking applied. If one where to sellschematics for profit one could be in danger of being sued for money from copyright holder. If there are no money to be had then documented loss are to betaken into consideration. Personally I don’t think SDX have much to offerregarding hardware design worth copying these days of low cost DSP chips. Notreally being a blockbuster movie I really doubt anyone interested in thisschematic are able to hurt Simmons brand owner or Dave in an attempt to copyand sell this design. Interested parties either own a unit in need of repair,or are interested for education purposes. Both I personally think we shouldendorse to help keep an historic piece of electronic kit alive, and helpeducating members of the world can only make it better place for all of us movingon to an enlightening future.

 

Now, should we assume everyone have the time or evenwant to scan and upload 140 pages long manual for free? Of course not. Somemembers here and other forums that have access to these schematics make theyliving from repair jobs. Of course they should not work for free. Some of themeven get so annoyed by these requests they stop they’re membership. Other learnto live with it course they benefit from those sharing to keep they own costdown and make better profits on the jobs they do get.

How many SDX jobs would a repair shop in 2017 expectto see over the next decade? Probably zero, other than the one sitting on thebench right now. All documentation cost has to go into this job alone.

Manyrepair shops would tell the customer schematic are not available, but they’rewilling to take on the job if customer source it themselves. Shortcut to anyethical concern right? And a valid reason for many people joining mailing lists andforums with requests they normally wouldn’t attend.

 

So who are these requester for free Simmons schematicsand sounds? Back in the day most of them probably where people making partial orall their livelihood from expensive tools like the SDS and SDX. Modern soundsand schematics had intellectual value that Dave used to put food on his table. Thatis not the case anymore.

These days most requests come from collectors, hobbyistand wannabees in a world where musicians rarely can make a living fromrecording music. Any high functional professional musician actually makingmoney these days use a sampling library or simulator to create these vintagesounds.

 

My impression there are several contributing members onthis list that have reservation regarding sharing publicly. If they lost businessby sharing I can understand they hurt, but if that business where sellingSimmons original sounds they’re morality is somewhat flawed if you ask me.

 

My practical take on this. I’ve enjoyed numerus freewebsites and schematics over the past two decades. Admittedly only a few ofthem had they’re Donate button pressed I early on got inspired to share back tothe community when I could. I guess all of us have benefited from those that doshare. In some cultures one owes to them to pass on what one learned, whileothers get insulted when one do as they claim intellectually property even whenits origin are not their own.

 

So to you question Patrice, I guess to each his own https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/to_each_his_own 

 

I will bluntly take this opportunity to ask if anyone arewilling share SDS7 original eprom BIN files with me?

I promise never to make a No.1 hit song using thesesounds (or any other sound for that matter)

I promise I very rarely will use the sounds, they mostlyhave historic value to me, I few hours of fun for recreation purposes

I promise I never Share if not explicit allowed

I promise I never Publicly Share it if not explicitallowed

I promise If sharing is allowed I’ll give Credit Only if explicitRequested, else you will be Anonymous

 

Best regards

Hans

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