well you could send the kick in a Tube preamp (UNIVERSAL AUDIO Solo610 for example ) wher eyou can manage the saturation level & then compress it badly behind the preamp...
you could even put a Nevelike EQ section btw both.
but these are not some low cost section.
maybe less expensive (or nearly) why wouldn't you trigg a 909 kick... you 'll have everything you're looking after.
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De: "dion olivier" <
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À: "Simmons Drums" <
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Envoyé: Samedi 11 Décembre 2010 12h40:49 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any tips?
Thanks Jesper, seems we share the same love of lower octaves.
Can anyone think of any way to get more a harder edged EBM/Industrial
sounding kick with a strong punch with the SDS 400? Unfortunately it seems
to a fairly soft sounding brain, the kick sound I'm going for is similar to
the effected 808 on Cocteau Twins records, I imagine this is probably
impossible but I have hoping someone might have a suggestion for extreme
eq'ing or a distortion of some sort.
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 AM, jesper < jesper@... >wrote:
>
>
> I'd go for a "techier" kick sound. More electronic sounding with a clear
> click. Compressing something that's in the same spectrum as something
> else won't help as much as an entire re-think. My problem (in an all
> electronic setup) is that I love the lower octaves too much. It's easy
> to make the mix sound as if someone put a wet rag over the speakers...
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
> dion olivier skrev 2010-12-08 21:08:
>
> > Thanks for the info everyone, very pleased to see this community is
> active.
> >
> > I am the bass player, and since I used a lot of lowpass / octave down /
> bass
> > synth oriented effects I have to be very careful not to invade the
> spectrum
> > of the kick and floor tom which are tuned on the SDS 400 pretty low. I've
> > been experimenting with EQ, but it's hard as we like the bass to be very
> > subby and felt just as much as heard, along with the drums.
> >
> > The guitarist also use a lot of effects but mostly in the treblier, more
> > atmospheric range so we rarely have to worry about him.
> >
> > Thanks for the compressor model suggestions, any advice on how to set the
> > threshold / attack / release etc? I'm thinking it might be best to squash
> > the hell out of the SDS 400 so that every strike on the triggered
> acoustic
> > set will always be registered by the SDS. The biggest problem is that the
> > lighter touch of my drummer on less intense songs doesn't trigger the
> unit.
> > I'm going to experiment with running a dual compressor on each output of
> my
> > mixer vs compress just the floor tom and kick.
> >
> > The PA we use in our practice space is similar in power to what was
> > suggested: a 250x2w power amp with a JBL 2x15 PA cabinet and a Mackie
> > powered sub. The Simmons kit is definitely very loud through this setup
> but
> > at small venues we run into problems using their PAs.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Berk Aarts < B.E.R.K@... <B.E.R.K%4012move.nl>
> > <mailto:B.E.R.K%4012move.nl <B.E.R.K%254012move.nl>>> wrote:
> >
> > > Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a
> piccolo
> > > snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already
> );-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
>
> > > >From: jesper < jesper@... <jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>
> > <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se<jesper%2540electronic-obsession.se>
> >>
>
> > > >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100
> > > >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band,
> any
> > > >tips?
> > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10:
> > > >> Hi
> > > >> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument,
> > > havinh
> > > >> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
> > > >> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an
> > > soundengineer)
> > > >> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at,
> > the EARS
> > > >> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men)
> will
> > > put
> > > >> levels down (and I mean way down)
> > > >
> > > >Oh yes!
> > > >
> > > >If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas,
> it's
> > >
> > > >this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/
> > > >Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the
> psychology
> > > >
> > > >behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it.
> > > >
> > > >Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!!
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >electronically yours, jesper
> > > >
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>
>
>
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