Just need to experiment really ...
What is sure , Denny Carmassi (his audio engineer...) went through
high end preamp to achieve that...
After you can of course have some peripheric treatment but 80% of the
grain comes from the preamp & eventually EQs...
If you can dig about what was the console they recorded on , who
knows ...you might be able to approach seriously the sound you want.
in the 8O's the SSL4000 was greatly acclaimed for the Drums, Guitars,
Bass etc ...Neve (the famous 1073 )for the voices (& so much)...
That's why you can find them in plug in today ...the final touch was
brought by the Bus famous compressor ...
But even so ...1st Decisive step : high end preamp !
There are some producer SSL racks...probably available for renting as
well .
I never liked Roland at all....except a tom set ...
I feel it's a quite close sound, What I mean is that they haven't some
incredible converters to give us a high end sound ...
Remember "Garbage in Garbage out" ;- )
What the SDX have (CEMs)...
But, With a good preamp, you'll rediscover the sound of your module...
I just had the experience with an EMU Procussion !
for the analog SDSV it might be a bit more complicated but the sound
you'll find won't be crap anyway by using a good preamp.
the problem with the V is the excellence references we have in our
memory ;- )
& the crap ones too...
When you're starting that, you're arriving in the preamp colours
world (& compressors one) ... but it stays highend sounds that will
be great to play & to hear anyway...
Please let us know about your experimentations...
(& no I don't think sample rate will change much the problem...but
it's not risky to try ...)
Have fun !
Patrice.
Le 12 déc. 08 à 04:35,
rolandbrenner@... a écrit :
> Interesting !
>
> The first sample I took was a pretty powerful acoustic tom. I went
> directly out from the Roland module into the SDX. I compared the two
> and it wasn't an exact clone, but damn close. I figured I'd have to
> mess around with the sample rates & such. As I mentioned, I'm just
> skimming the surface here so far.
>
> So you think it is imperative that I use a preamp as you suggest?
> This is valuable information to me and I really appreciate it !!
>
> Also, If I could sample some SDSV toms like Denny Carmassi's V's on
> Heart's Passionworks album, I'd be ecstatic !!!
>
>
> - Roland
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>
> Hi Roland ,
> any sampler , even best ones like Fairlights need to get a very good
> signal in !
> "Garbage in / garbage out" !
>
> I highly recommend to use a good preamp to do so ...
> a Universal Audio Solo 610 (valve version) , or even solo 110
> (transistor version) for example ...
> I just tryed it ! you won't recognize the sounds . it gives them
> more air & a so nice low end.
> It should be another quality level in the SDX ;- )
>
> If you haven't access to that sort of preamp it's really worthwhile
> renting one for 1 or 2 days ...
>
> Of course if you have access to an SSL or a Neve, it might be better,
> otherwise the Universal Audio will do a really great job.
>
> After the preamp , you can compress of course before to go to the SDX
> input...even "expand" it ...
>
> or use your plugins to sculpt your sound or optimize it...
>
> But the 1st part (& unavailable one) is the preamp !
>
> Hope that helps
> Let me know ;- )
>
> Patrice.
> PS by the way it's working very good with analog SDSV or 7 (& so
> on)...
>
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