The best solution is what simmons eventually did them selves ,
Stick a rubber coating on the original pads =)
I dislike those anti vibration sticks , tried them once ,
hard to explain , but they feel nasty .
I too have tried aheads and thats even worse ! ,
the so called 'unbreakable' stick is breakable ! twice even !
As for the pads ,
the surface is merely stuck to a wooden frame , no rubber or absorber whatsoever .
--- On Wed, 10/12/08, rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...> wrote:
> From: rolandbrenner@... <rolandbrenner@...>
> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Vibrating Bones
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 5:09 PM
> OK, let's just agree that we disagree.
>
> But please be sure of your descriptions of the pads as you
> refer to their construction. The SDSV pads do have vibration
> absorbing rubber shock mounts inside. Pull off the rim and
> shell and take a look. I know it's not much, but I have
> to believe it's a bit more dampening than striking a
> thick chunk of metal like a zil-bel or the very center of a
> 22" tri-tonal cymbal with the meat of the stick.
>
> I think the goal should not be an endless and worthless
> debate, but to provide a solution or ( at the very least )
> alternative to a problem that clearly affects everyone
> differently.
>
> OK, we all agree the SDSV pads are hard. Unfortunately the
> SDSV modules require the type of output that only the poly
> pads produce in order to unleash their raw sonic power. So
> let's think outside the pad for a second: Sticks. I
> notice many of the hard hitting older drummers are turning
> to Ahead drumsticks. I haven't yet tried them
> personally, but the V.R.S. ( Vibration Reduction System )
> seems to be a nice alternative rather than giving up on
> certain equipment or on playing all-together. Anyone use
> these?
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> http://home.rr.com/zengine
>
>
> don't forget there have been 2 SDS7 pads generation...
> The last is the one you're mentioning Roland ...
> Same Pads as the SDS9 ones...
>
> & Yes Sander, I agree with you I can't understand
> people wanting to
> play on SDSV pads ...
> Even the MArkIII (or IV) are already a pain but the MArk I,
> MArk
> II .... ouch !!!!
>
> I don't really share your point of view Roland...the
> SDSV pads for me
> are unplayable...I have some only for the collection.
> But I guess , even if I can't deal with it, some other
> people might
> succeed...
>
> Hey Roland I think we had this discussion previously... ;-
> )
> I don't agree with that thoughts but I respect your
> experience.
>
> I think for someone who has some wrist fatigue , it's
> obvious that you
> have to avoid to play any Simmons pad &even any
> electronic drums pads
> except Mesheads ones...
>
> What you're forgetting mentionning all the hard
> surfaces like IceBell
> cymbals etc ... They are vibrating & absorbing some of
> the
> energy ...the SDSV pads are not at all !
> all the energy comes back to you....even when using some
> motions
> techniques ...when your wrist (tendons) have been hurt its
> too late ,
> as soon as you will start again the injury will remind to
> you .
> I needed several years to practice again in that way taking
> the risk
> to play for a few minutes SImmons pads.
> (that's what I experimented now ...it might be
> different for
> someonelse.)
>
> I used to play in that 4 or 5 hours gigs (60 dates) with
> Tama & Roland
> pads... I think the problem came from that intensive
> practice ...
> So With Simmons pads I would never have held on 10 dates.
>
> But if you can deal with the SDSV pads no offence really !
> ;- ) you
> are one of the rare human being who can ... So it's
> pretty positive ;- )
>
> Given that the fact is I love all the SImmons pad look !
> but I'm not
> keen to play them anymore.
>
> It's quite rich to hear from different experiences no ?
> anyone else ?
>
> hope that helps,
> Patriec.
>
> Le 10 déc. 08 à 04:49, rolandbrenner@... a écrit
> :
>
> > What a great discussion !!!
> >
> > I think if you really give this some serious thought
> Sander, you
> > will realise that the angle in which you strike
> something has more
> > than "little to do" with technique as far as
> fatigue goes. I'm not
> > trying to argue, it's just a simple fact. The way
> the human bone and
> > muscle structure absorbs and emits energy is something
> not to be
> > ignored. There's actually a drum stick
> manufacturer ( doctor ) that
> > rotationally balances his sticks in order to perfect
> the way one's
> > hand and wrist repeatedly strikes a surface with
> regards to all of
> > this. If you gig regularly like I do, try setting up
> your toms at 45
> > degrees each and observe what happens to you over
> time.
> >
> > Anyway, the balance you are looking for still seems to
> be with the
> > SDS9 series and not the 7's according to what you
> are describing
> > here. That is unless there's something I'm not
> understanding. The
> > 9's have a floating surface which the 7's do
> not. If wrist fatigue
> > is one of your issues, the 9's are a much better
> alternative
> > ( give ) and look 95% the same cosmetically. Much
> better mounts to
> > boot. I personally don't mind the feel of the
> v's, but only for toms
> > since they are non-repetetive in terms of how often
> you strike them.
> > Also, the reality with the v's is their strength
> and power is in the
> > sound of the toms anyway, so there you go !!!
> >
> > There's no doubt in my mind that the v's are
> hard, but then again so
> > are ice bells, chimes, rims, cymbals, cymbal bells,
> wood blocks,
> > stands ( courtesy, Buddy Rich ), etc. etc. etc. As you
> stated, they
> > ( v's ) probably just aren't for you.
> >
> > Anyway, at a starting bid of only 99 cents USD for
> those 7's, you
> > may want to consider contacting this seller for
> shipping
> > arrangements. It might still be worth your while if
> you really want
> > them.
> >
> > Or, those who want some great SDSV pads, consider
> buying these 7's
> > and trading with Saunder. Send us some pics of what
> you have please
> > as I may take you up on that deal, although I'm
> currently busy
> > beyond belief.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > - Roland
> >
> >
> > It has little to do with the angle of the drum ,
> > its the vibrating shock which the surface of the drums
> sends back
> > into your stick through to your wrist which cannot
> be absorbed
> > aswell when
> > playing stroke rolls single strokes ,
> > I remember reading somewhere this was often the case
> for meny
> > drummers ,
> > including bill bruford !
> > on top of that the feel isn't too great , neither
> are the loud chick
> > sounds ,
> > I wonder why i bought these drums in the first place ?
> =p
> > Thank you for the link Roland !
> > unfortunately shipping from amerika isn't too
> great...
> > hope to bump into this kit one day =
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A&feature=related%c3%82
>
> > =p
> >
> > Sander
> >
>
>
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> http://home.rr.com/zengine
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