OK,
I agree with everything you say here ; - )
no problem Jesper !
It's a good idea to debate how much we would quote what model ...
Let's become more responsive instead of subiting ... Personnally I
prefer that idea anyway ...
I understand well that when you're addicted (as I have been,) & have
no machines yet ,
you don't have much choice than to spend a lot of money to reach
your dream ... (or your fantasy .)...
I think your right on that point too, I think we're mainly enthusiast
collectors on the list ...
People who I know trying to get large profit don't seem very
intersted in our group.
I think you know them too ...
I'll tell you in private who I think they are if you ask for ...; - )
there must have a difference as well between people billing high with
no reason &
the ones who are having a complete maintenance on the unit before
selling it .
But they're all claiming it...aren't they ?
I think I really started to be pissed off when I saw a guy selling in
pieces the Phil Collins' SDSV...
Or selling some SDX the same Price I paid for a full new one at
Simmons' ...
Anyway we won't change the world, but we can probably stay aware of
not giving power to that sort of guys...
About the current value ;
you know how is Ebay ; the luck is making high & down prices...& also
the honnesty (or current money needs) of the sellers...
even if you need to buy a Mercedes you won't be able to sell your SDX
10500�, unless you find one crazy guy that will buy it...
(it must be possible ; some guys have a better idea of their own
value if they pay a high price for their machine... ? ) of course
all that exists...
BUt yeah I think crossing informations from Ebay , SOS, mag adverts,
private adverts is more telling us what's the current value.
But remember that some many SDS7 owners sent their machine right to
the bin... I know about 3 people having done that ...
I sadly arrived too late ...
in conclusion , for some people Simmons is an insult or a laughing
subject, for some others (Us) nearly a religion, the value is
probably somewhere in the middle.
That reminds me a discussion with Dave about the TR909...HE found
really stupid to pay nearly �1000 when it used to cost �50 a year
before...
But here again, the human spirit is great to invent Myths...
So many debates don't you think ?
Anyway,
all the Best & Speak soon ,
Patrice.
Le 23 janv. 08 � 21:31, jesper a �crit :
> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> > >>>Hey Jesper please, you're moderator OK, but you're going a bit
> > fast then, don't you think ?
>
> I'm sorry if you took it like that. I wanted to stop flaming before we
> get there, not adding fuel to the fire.
>
> > Mailing list ? taking advantage ? If you mean "Me" you can write to
> > me directly.
>
> It was more of an "us" I meant. I think I've seen these tendencies
> before and it's natural since many are collectors and enthusiasts.
> Every
> time something rare is mentioned the list reacts and wants to buy etc.
> I feel I'm also a part of this...
>
> > I exposed my advice & the (at least "a" ) reality of the
> situation...
> > No more I think ...
> > New suscribers are not necessary naive... & have also to be
> > informed...not only in a single aspect...
> > After, they're big enough to choose where they want to be in
> function
> > of what they want or need ...
>
> Sure... But regarding Ebay I surf both .de and co.uk once every
> week and
> I tend to add stuff I own to my watch list to keep up to date with
> current "value" (knowing this is a debatable word). I seldom see
> SDS-V's
> at the prices you mentioned, therefor I reacted to that. I still
> consider the SDS-2000 cheap and unwanted so we probably can agree
> on the
> entire batch's value. ;)
>
> > I don't think I influenced (or even insulted) anybody by saying that
> > our today's behaviour is creating the tommorow's market.
> > We could (& probably should) rather speak of people taking advantage
> > of supposed rare machines when they have "a few" in stock that they
> > probably payed not much for...
> > & making a big profit on each ...
>
> True. I also don't like people who just buys to resell. Most of us
> don't
> though we still like to get the money back and maybe with a little
> profit if we do sell...
>
> > anyway it's all about our own choice in the end. don't you think ?
> > So please Jesper, take it easy, there was nothing else than that in
> > my words...
>
> No problem, it might have been languages playing tricks on both of us.
> It's an interesting debate too so don't stop here listees!
>
> Maybe time to start a new thread that shows how much we maniacs value
> each model.
>
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