David,
The trouble with that is that the paper backing on the vinyl is very thick compared with the vinyl itself. This could lead to problems when passing through a laminator and with trying to transfer heat through to the toner and to the PCB. This is especially true when doing a double sided board.
Jim
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dgh2259@...> wrote:
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> Jim,
> Thanks for that, wasn't thinking the matter through, I should have recalled when I used the "press 'n peel" for smaller pcb's I used to print out on A4 plain paper then cut a piece of p n'p a cm or so bigger all round stick it over the print with bits of masking tape and re~print, maybe worth a try to do the same with the vinyl without taking the backing off, most printers will take pretty thick card so shouldn't present a problem.
> David
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> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "ve7su" <ve7su@> wrote:
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> > David,
> > Yes, you can do that but when u have a board that's much smaller than 8.5" by 11" (the size u would have to cut the vinyl for the laser printer), it's a waste of the Oracal 651. The easiest way to avoid wrinkles, other than ur suggestion, is to mark one end on the paper where the vinyl should go, cut a 1/2" or so strip of the vinyl paper backing off the one end, then lay the 1/2" exposed vinyl over your marks, use a flat surface to smooth the vinyl down as you slowly pull the vinyl paper backing off.
> > Jim
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> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "David" <dgh2259@> wrote:
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> > > Jim,
> > > Sorry to butt in on this, but why not feed the vinyl through the printer with its original backing, then there is no risk of wrinkling, or am i missing something? I've tried this before but with a different type of vinyl and it fed through well.
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> > > David
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> > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "ve7su" <ve7su@> wrote:
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> > > > A tip when applying the Oracal 651 vinyl sticker to the paper.. especially with the large board you are dealing with... You will need to be careful you don't wrinkle the vinyl when sticking it to the paper before running it through your laser printer. I slowly start at one end and apply the vinyl to the paper at the same time I'm peeling off the backing of the Oracal. Three hands would help here! Once it's stuck to the paper, you will never get it off to smooth out any wrinkles so u must make sure there are NO wrinkles in the first place! Order a lighter colour of your Oracal. I use a bright yellow although the blue that's shown in the Youtube video works too. There is a transparent version available too but the "Vinyl Direct" company doesn't stock it. The transparent version would help when making double-sided boards. I've been told that this Oracal 651 product is used a lot by sign companies so scraps of it may be had for free from one of these shops. Anyway, let us know how this works for you.
> > > > Jim
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> > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "wcasse" <wcasse@> wrote:
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> > > > > thanks missouri_ham and ve7su.
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> > > > > ink jet paper specific paper is difficult to find in any size other than 8.5x11 - my board is 11.8 inches. i will order a sheet or two of that 12 inch vinyl and let you know how it goes.
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> > > > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "ve7su" <ve7su@> wrote:
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> > > > > > Yes, the root of the problem is the "paper" you are using. I have just recently found the best medium for toner transfer. It is Oracal 651 which is a vinyl sticker. It is available on ebay at a very reasonable price http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-x12-Gloss-Craft-Adhesive-Vinyl-Oracal-651-Silhouette-28-Colors-SAME-DAY-SHIP-/380452333884?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160
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> > > > > > There is a YouTube "How to use" here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmJdCBjwXY
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> > > > > > Every bit of the toner from your laser printer gets transferred to the copper foil using this stuff!
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> > > > > > Jim
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