Markus Zingg,
When I was nice, nobody read my warnings! I won't go
into the frauds I was exposed to. The moment I dropped foreign orders
95% of my problems went away. Sorry if you felt hurt. I still get
dozens of letters a week that start with. "I know your page says you
don't sell to countries other than US and Canada." To those people my
words are not hash enough. There is no solution because of Exchange
rates-Parts and fake money orders. Then there is also the people who
made copies of my plans. They tried to exchange them for Plastic and
other items here in the US. My business has grown very large. I am a
one man show. I only go with what works. I am no longer a hobby
business.
If you go back through the post here you will see I am
willing to discuss Milling Circuit Boards or discuss machine design
here. This is one of my hang outs. Hey Steve! Was that you at my door?
You did not list an Email address.
John
--- In
Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Markus Zingg <m.zingg@n...>
wrote:
> Dear John
>
> First off, let me thank you for you response. I really very much
> apreciate it.
>
> I'm very glad to hear that you aparently have good reasons why you
are
> not shipping over seas.
>
> I also have no problem with the fact that you don't want to deliver
> materials etc. All this is perfectly understandable. I still
strongly
> suggest that you think about the wording on this page.
>
> I don't really intend to tell you how to do business (you see, I DID
> read your pages :)) ) but how about telling that
>
> a) the plans are strictly non metric and centered around parts that
> are NOT available overseas?
> b) clearly stating that its' not your idea of live to go shop and
ship
> ANY parts anywhere, that you are striclty producing plans and that
you
> do not intend to give advice or whatsoever support to solve problems
> that arise from people using your plans in foreign countries.
> c) that you - if someone just want's to get ideas - of course ship
> plans overseas, but need cash in a letter in advance and add say $50
> shipping and handling charges (or whatever is enough to serve as a
> motivation) and that sendign a letter with the money is at their
risk?
>
> By doing so nobody would have to feel being treated like a second
> class member of this planet - and hence nobody would have to feel
> offended. What I'm trying to say is - there does not even have to
be a
> way to still get plans, but I think you could be strict and clear
in a
> less offending fashion and hey, if someone really want's to throw
say
> 100$ or more at you just to get such plans - it would be his
decision
> right?
>
> In this sense, let me also tell you that I otherwise have no single
> problem with anything you do / did stated or whatever. Moreover I
> really honestly apreciate your work in the area of "CNC on the
cheap".
> If you carefully would have read my posts here in the past you could
> see that I recomended your plans to people living in the US dispite
> this experience.
>
> It's just a matter of fact that I was really deeply shoked and hurt
by
> this page. Back then I was almost not able to think about anything
> else for about three days. I figure this is not what you intended. I
> was personally more than surprized about this very strong reaction
on
> my end but could not help it. To me this had the impact of a rasism
> motivated act and such a thing never before hapened to me in my
life.
>
> Again, thanks for your reply and time. I surely will check your page
> every now and then and I'm sure I will be very happy the day I see a
> positive change. It really does not have to be your disadvantage if
> you choose a better wording there but a win for all of us.
>
> Markus
>
> >Markus Zingg,
> > There is a reason I only ship to the US and Canada. I
> >post the info in an offending mannor because people in other
> >countries kept sending me money anyway. Less postage etc etc etc!
I
> >used to sell to other countries. It became such a problem I
stopped.
> >The parts I use are only found in US and Canada. Other countries
use
> >metric bolts. This throws the design way off! Then they want me to
> >send them the aluminum channel. Here you can buy it as scrap! To
send
> >it overseas it becomes expensive.
> >
> > John Kleinbauer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Markus Zingg <m.zingg@n...>
> >wrote:
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> The original poster comes from spain - as it can be seen on his
e-
> >mail
> >> address. John on the other hand does NOT deliver his plans
outside
> >of
> >> the US as he states in an unfriendly and offending way on his
order
> >> information page (see http://www.crankorgan.com/order.htm ).
> >>
> >> Don't get this wrong, not the fact that he is not willing to
deliver
> >> is offending - that's his right. The tone on this page combined
> >with
> >> the unwilingness to even comunicate / substantiate why is what
> >really
> >> hurts. Then, the fact that John who is also a member of this e-
mail
> >> list suerly heard that it's offending, but did not changed a
single
> >> word there ever since, really narrows the interpretation as to
what
> >> his motivation is to a farily dark corner.
> >>
> >> You may read out of the fact that there is this post from me how
> >much
> >> this page hurt people which don't originate from the US. I also
> >> understand that you may think I'm over reacting here. If I would
> >have
> >> read my post before this happened to me personally I probably
would
> >> have thought that way too, well, fine, but think twice.
> >>
> >> Markus