Slavko,
Thanks very much for your detailed response.
I am intrigued, and a little surprised, that you use any glossy advertising that just comes in the mail, but, hey, if it works, it works, and I do like the cost...:)
Sounds like you're doing batches, and that you've done quite a few over the last year; by the sounds of it, at least several hundred but it could be in the thousands.
And thanks for the printer rec...seems to me there are two critical parts to this process: the paper, and the printer.
However, the paper seems less of an issue by far than the printer.
This, of course, gives me an idea....for one of you entrepreneurs out there....start a cartridge refill service, where the toner has been specially designed for transfer onto PCB boards!!
Then it wouldn't matter the type of printer, and then I'll bet 99% of the difficulties with the toner transfer would ... go away.
Thanks again,
Best Regards, Charlie
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Slavko Kocjancic <eslavko@...> wrote:
>
> Hello...
>
> I make PCB boards for myself and had NO bad board's few year! (and make
> aprox one board per week)
> The board's are single sided (I abandon homemade double sided- to much
> problems) and near all have at least some SMD's with 0.85mm pad raster.
> 0.5mm woork's too.
> There is procedure.
>
> I print artwork to the advertising paper (stuf I got to the mailbox)
> Near all work nice. The problem with bad one is that pelling is hard to do.
> Here is the 1'st catch. Printing with HP laserjet 1020/1019 just works
> nice. Printing with Brother 2030 give me bad unusable boards.
>
> 1. I clean my board with green kitchen pads. I make few round cutout's
> and stack it onto one bolt. So all the thing I put into drill machine
> and set to 600rpm speed. Then just touching this rotating 'cleaner' I
> clean board mechanicaly without any solvents. I do cleaning aprox one
> minute for 10x10 cm board.
>
> 2. I put paper with printed image onto board and put 6 times trought
> laminator modified to the aprox 180 degres celsius. I't work's just one
> pass with laminator temperature set on 200 degres C but lifetime of
> laminator is then on question. So I use 6 pass and 180 deg C. The
> laminator one is cheap chinesse type.
>
> 3. After lamination I put board imideatly under warm/hot watter. (aprox
> 60 deg/C) and leave aprox one minute. After that I peel paper out. I try
> in every edge as seems that pelling from 'right' angle can be done
> without residue of paper. (I don't know why but it's probably some fibre
> orientation matter.) If some residue stay on board it came down with
> just little finger scrubbing. After that I leave board to dry.
>
> 4. I make correction on board with DALLO pen (it's for PCB repairing)
> but near all other permanent pen's works. The only area where the
> corrections are needed is big polygons. Inside this big areas are some
> pits and I repair that. The thin traces in my case are newer need repair.
>
> 5. I etch with solution of HCL(muratic acid?), H2O2(hydrogen peroxide)
> and water. The etcing time 1-2 minutes.
>
> 6, I clean board mechanicaly (by hand) rubbing with metal kitchen pads.
> I need les than minute to clean 10x10cm board. I do rubbing under cold
> tap water.
>
> 7. I had dissolved colophonium in metilated alcohol and protect my board
> with that. that's all.
>
> Slavko
>
>
>
> gandolfreefer pravi:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I started trying to make my own PCB's three years ago, and joined this group a while back.
> >
> > I am wondering if any of you feel 100% confident about any particular method. I've tried 'em all - I've got a stack of laminators, chemicals, photo-exposers, rub-on stuff, special papers, twenty $IR#@!! software programs, the fancy bubbler etcher, enough bottles of every type of etchant ever invented to kill half of Philadelphia if I poured them in the water supply, even the fancy stuff that tin-plates the copper after etching, and - oh, yeah - three printers....
> >
> > and I gotta tell ya, at the risk of sounding like a complete incompetent, I cannot for the life of me get a decent quality PCB no matter what I do, no matter what website I go to, no matter who's kit I buy.
> >
> > I'm just about to give up and just order the d∗'d things from Sunstone and be done with it, but i thought I'd give this onnnnnnnnnnnnne last try............
> >
> > Is there ONE method for DIY'ing PCB boards that WORKS?? Or are all of them still "tweaky" random-chance methods, depending upon the phase of the moon, the humidity, what type of local mold spores are blowing in the air off the surrounding desert, whether your girlfriend is having her period, etc......for the %(^$#!!! method to actually work?
> >
> > Honestly, I'm a perfectly good DIY'er who has made stuff on lathes, mills, by hand, in metal, wood, plastic, I mean just about everything under the sun, and some of the stuff I've made would knock your eyes out...but I can't seem to get a DIY PCB method I can depend on.
> >
> > Anybody out there with a proven method and equipment that You'd bet your life on?
> >
> > Best, Charlie
> >
> >
>