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CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by pepeisnotadog@...

Hi,


i have a CS-80 that needs a review. Unfortunately (not by me) has been left unused for a long time, 3 voices don’t work (and i hope they are not the Yamaha IC chips ..). In short, it’s a moral duty to bring it back to life.


My initial plan was this (but i ask you any advice):


1) start with power supply, replace old electrolytics cap. Are there any other parts that you recommend to change?

2) go to the five boards (KAS, SH, TKC and the two TSB) under the keyboard:

- replace all the electrolytics

- replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets)

- add decopuling cap for the IC (based on your experience is it better to buy “built-in sockets with caps” or solder the caps separately?)

 

Given that I am still defining the plan, do you also recommend these operations (or just some of them) for these five boards?

- replace old op amp

- replace old bjt

- replace all the ceramic disc capacitor (with dipped ceramic)

- replace all the "famous" tantalum capacitor (with polystyrene or polypropylene or aluminum electrolytics, same value obviously)

- replace all the mylar capacitor with polypropylene or polystyrene

- replace the few old trimmers

 

Going to the boards behind the keyboard..


Regarding all M Boards:

-     r  replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the old trimmers too?


Regarding the two KBC Boards:

-          replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets and decopuling cap for the IC (like the boards under the keys)

 

I definitely forgot something, but i'm slowly making a plan before start any work on this beautiful machine. Of course I will surely meet some unexpected events during the overhaul;)

Sorry if i was too wordy, but this group is the right place to talk about it!

 

Best (and thanks in advance for your cooperation)


Mark

Re: [yamahacs80] CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by Kyle Jarger

Congratulations! It's a wonderful beast. Just a quick comment. I would approach things differently. I would hunt down and fix just the known problems, and any more I did find after it got it mostly working. Then calibrate it fully. Only then would I consider any sort of upgrade or changing out of parts. My reasons are "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and also we only have so much time and $ in this world; I'd rather spend it playing the beast than looking at a pile of parts and hoping that someday I can play after it's been hardened/upgraded to survive the "Next" 50 years.

Cheers,

Kyle

On January 9, 2019 at 5:24 AM "pepeisnotadog@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hi,


i have a CS-80 that needs a review. Unfortunately (not by me) has been left unused for a long time, 3 voices don’t work (and i hope they are not the Yamaha IC chips ..). In short, it’s a moral duty to bring it back to life.


My initial plan was this (but i ask you any advice):


1) start with power supply, replace old electrolytics cap. Are there any other parts that you recommend to change?

2) go to the five boards (KAS, SH, TKC and the two TSB) under the keyboard:

- replace all the electrolytics

- replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets)

- add decopuling cap for the IC (based on your experience is it better to buy “built-in sockets with caps” or solder the caps separately?)

 

Given that I am still defining the plan, do you also recommend these operations (or just some of them) for these five boards?

- replace old op amp

- replace old bjt

- replace all the ceramic disc capacitor (with dipped ceramic)

- replace all the "famous" tantalum capacitor (with polystyrene or polypropylene or aluminum electrolytics, same value obviously)

- replace all the mylar capacitor with polypropylene or polystyrene

- replace the few old trimmers

 

Going to the boards behind the keyboard..


Regarding all M Boards:

-     r  replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the old trimmers too?


Regarding the two KBC Boards:

-          replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets and decopuling cap for the IC (like the boards under the keys)

 

I definitely forgot something, but i'm slowly making a plan before start any work on this beautiful machine. Of course I will surely meet some unexpected events during the overhaul;)

Sorry if i was too wordy, but this group is the right place to talk about it!

 

Best (and thanks in advance for your cooperation)


Mark




 

Re: [yamahacs80] CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by Florian Anwander

Hi

Am 09.01.2019 um 15:38 schrieb Kyle Jarger jkjelec@... [yamahacs80]:
>
> My reasons are "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
>
I'd like to I agree. But I understand that Mark wants a general
refurbishing too, to make the synth future-proof. Nevertheless he should
first fix all problems. The Refurbishing can be done after the problem
solvening, when he can be sure, that there are no issues.

The basic principle is here: don't change two things at the same time.
If you would do so, you will have serious troubles to find which of the
changes caused a problem. As a concrete example: if you have ripple on a
supply voltage, the don't do a complete recapping. Just replace the
faulty capacitor and check whether the ripple disappeard. After that you
may do a complete recapping.

Florian

--
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by pepeisnotadog@...

Thanks for the reply Florian!
I think that some of this CS-80 problems can be solved with a refurbishment (old CMOS, old el-cap), but i know that probably (and unfortunately) not all the problems will be solved in this way, but in the meantime i know that i have a good starting point (i hope I explained myself).
I totally agree with you on "don't change two things at the same time", it creates even more mess!

Best 

Mark

Re: [yamahacs80] CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by Kyle Jarger

Well stated Florian!
On January 9, 2019 at 9:48 AM "Florian Anwander fanwander@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi

Am 09.01.2019 um 15:38 schrieb Kyle Jarger jkjelec@... [yamahacs80]:
>
My reasons are "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
I'd like to I agree. But I understand that Mark wants a general
refurbishing too, to make the synth future-proof. Nevertheless he should
first fix all problems. The Refurbishing can be done after the problem
solvening, when he can be sure, that there are no issues.

The basic principle is here: don't change two things at the same time.
If you would do so, you will have serious troubles to find which of the
changes caused a problem. As a concrete example: if you have ripple on a
supply voltage, the don't do a complete recapping. Just replace the
faulty capacitor and check whether the ripple disappeard. After that you
may do a complete recapping.

Florian

--
http://www.florian-anwander.de



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Re: [yamahacs80] CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by Scott Rodriguez

>> In short, it’s a moral duty to bring it back to life.

Yes it is.

>> 1) start with power supply, replace old electrolytics cap. Are there any other parts that you recommend to change?

Because my unit was in the same situation, and because I couldn't find drop-in replacements, I removed and reformed the big electrolytics over a 4 day period and got them down to a leakage rate of 8 uA, better than many new ones. I wouldn't just fire them up after sitting so long, I'd reform the layer. I'd replace all the other electrolytics (use high ripple spec on the rectifiers and low impedance spec on the decouplers), the power transistors (the 4 big ones and the 6 little ones) and the two 4558 op amps. 


2) go to the five boards (KAS, SH, TKC and the two TSB) under the keyboard:

- replace all the electrolytics   Yes Go to 25 volt units instead of the 16 volt units installed, especially on the OE1, OE2, and PRA boards in the rack

- replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets) Yes, using the expensive sockets with built-in decoupling caps

- add decopuling cap for the IC (based on your experience is it better to buy “built-in sockets with caps” or solder the caps separately?) As above, but the built-in socket type are for the 4000-series chips only.

 Given that I am still defining the plan, do you also recommend these operations (or just some of them) for these five boards?

- replace old op amp Yes, for those items not in the audio signal chain, and any 4558's that are in the audio signal chain.

- replace old bjt  Do not do this. You risk losing the synth's character

- replace all the ceramic disc capacitor (with dipped ceramic) No need to do this unless they are physically damaged or have corrosion on the leads.

- replace all the "famous" tantalum capacitor (with polystyrene or polypropylene or aluminum electrolytics, same value obviously)  There's only one or two in the synth, but sure, replace those too. Use a heat sink on the leads when doing so to prevent loss of capacitance, tant's don't like heat.

- replace all the mylar capacitor with polypropylene or polystyrene Absolutely not, you risk losing character bit time, especially on the filters. Only replace if you have a bad one, and then try to find an old good one. Take my advice from experience.

- replace the few old trimmers That's a lot of work and expense, I'd only do it as required, not as a course of practice.

 Going to the boards behind the keyboard..

Regarding all M Boards:

-     replace all the electrolytics  Yes. Use audio grade on the filters and in the signal path, low impedance for the large decouplers

-      replace all the old trimmers too? As above, only as required.


Regarding the two KBC Boards:

-          replace all the electrolytics  Yes.

-          replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets and decopuling cap for the IC (like the boards under the keys) Yes to both. There is some decoupling on here already, but the additional ones at the chip can't hurt.

Of note:

 Be ready to find some dead ig00151 amplifiers on the M boards if you're not getting a signals. Mine (which was a basket case, admittedly) needed (45) ig00151 chips in the end. Yes, that's 45 chips, but that's not normal. Still, I had those along with one dead oscillator, one dead wsc, two dead filters, and one dead filter envelope chip. The only one on the M boards that didn't have a dead one was the amplifier envelope chips. You have to mentally either commit to owning a truly restored vintage CS80 including all the time and expense that entails, or give it to someone else that will. I made the decision to commit and have not regretted it once, quite the contrary, it's a stunningly beautiful instrument to play when hitting on all cylinders.

Also, be aware that the 151's can 'sort of' work, that is, they pass a signal, but are not controlling the envelopes properly or you can't get a full output level as you should. When everything is working properly, you should be able to calibrate the M boards per the manual. If you can 'almost' get a setting on a trimmer but run out of travel, something's wrong (and it could be the trimmer, have seen that too, there's a couple of failure modes for those).

There's a lot of errors in the manual. A major one of note I just spent a lot of time with is the VCA levels for the last two output chips on the M boards. The adjustment procedure calls out 400 mV and 80 mV respectively. That cannot possible be correct, you will have lots of 50/60 cycle hum in the output and a lot of noise in the OE effect section.

I tried several different combinations and settled on 900 mV and 250 mV pressing C4 with an 8 feet setting and a sine wave input and am happy with it. If you want a bit more bite and sizzle, the 900 mV can be increased a bit, maybe to 1200 mV. Over 1400 you will start getting some distortion on certain intense patches. I like a more mellow sound, and found the 900 mV setting to be a good compromise between output level, hum, and character.

I added led's on the M boards using the key trigger signal along with a regular diode and resistor. That mod was invaluable. I also added little hard point loops on the six main test points on the boards for grabbing them with a spring-loaded scope hook probe. WELL worth the effort.

Best of luck,

Scott

synthRodriguez


On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:55 AM pepeisnotadog@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi,


i have a CS-80 that needs a review. Unfortunately (not by me) has been left unused for a long time, 3 voices don’t work (and i hope they are not the Yamaha IC chips ..). In short, it’s a moral duty to bring it back to life.


My initial plan was this (but i ask you any advice):


1) start with power supply, replace old electrolytics cap. Are there any other parts that you recommend to change?

2) go to the five boards (KAS, SH, TKC and the two TSB) under the keyboard:

- replace all the electrolytics

- replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets)

- add decopuling cap for the IC (based on your experience is it better to buy “built-in sockets with caps” or solder the caps separately?)

 

Given that I am still defining the plan, do you also recommend these operations (or just some of them) for these five boards?

- replace old op amp

- replace old bjt

- replace all the ceramic disc capacitor (with dipped ceramic)

- replace all the "famous" tantalum capacitor (with polystyrene or polypropylene or aluminum electrolytics, same value obviously)

- replace all the mylar capacitor with polypropylene or polystyrene

- replace the few old trimmers

 

Going to the boards behind the keyboard..


Regarding all M Boards:

-     r  replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the old trimmers too?


Regarding the two KBC Boards:

-          replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets and decopuling cap for the IC (like the boards under the keys)

 

I definitely forgot something, but i'm slowly making a plan before start any work on this beautiful machine. Of course I will surely meet some unexpected events during the overhaul;)

Sorry if i was too wordy, but this group is the right place to talk about it!

 

Best (and thanks in advance for your cooperation)


Mark

Re: [yamahacs80] CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-09 by Scott Rodriguez

As a follow-on, I do understand the "don't fix it if it ain't broke" mentality, and have certainly gravitated more toward that position over the years, but in the case of the CS-80 it's a beast, and a beast I don't want to crack open any more than I have to. Toward that end, I wanted to make it as solid as possible so I took the position of all-new logic chips with decoupling sockets, all-new electrolytics and a total power supply rebuild. The only two 4000-series chips I couldn't source new were the (2) 4006 chips on the KBC boards, and even those now have late-80's chips with decoupling sockets. Haven't had a moment's problem with any of it, as hoped and expected.

Outside the copious M-board problems, I had a one bad HA1452 and a few bad 2SK30A's on the OE1 card (lots of bad crackling in the outputs). Also had lot's of bad violet Matsushita capacitors with corroded leads that were about to take a serious toll throughout the synth. I did a swap due to corrosion on (2) M-boards using spare CS-50 cards I had, but that was it.


Scott - synthRodriguez


On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 1:54 PM Scott Rodriguez <synthrodriguez@...> wrote:

>> In short, it’s a moral duty to bring it back to life.

Yes it is.

>> 1) start with power supply, replace old electrolytics cap. Are there any other parts that you recommend to change?

Because my unit was in the same situation, and because I couldn't find drop-in replacements, I removed and reformed the big electrolytics over a 4 day period and got them down to a leakage rate of 8 uA, better than many new ones. I wouldn't just fire them up after sitting so long, I'd reform the layer. I'd replace all the other electrolytics (use high ripple spec on the rectifiers and low impedance spec on the decouplers), the power transistors (the 4 big ones and the 6 little ones) and the two 4558 op amps. 


2) go to the five boards (KAS, SH, TKC and the two TSB) under the keyboard:

- replace all the electrolytics   Yes Go to 25 volt units instead of the 16 volt units installed, especially on the OE1, OE2, and PRA boards in the rack

- replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets) Yes, using the expensive sockets with built-in decoupling caps

- add decopuling cap for the IC (based on your experience is it better to buy “built-in sockets with caps” or solder the caps separately?) As above, but the built-in socket type are for the 4000-series chips only.

 Given that I am still defining the plan, do you also recommend these operations (or just some of them) for these five boards?

- replace old op amp Yes, for those items not in the audio signal chain, and any 4558's that are in the audio signal chain.

- replace old bjt  Do not do this. You risk losing the synth's character

- replace all the ceramic disc capacitor (with dipped ceramic) No need to do this unless they are physically damaged or have corrosion on the leads.

- replace all the "famous" tantalum capacitor (with polystyrene or polypropylene or aluminum electrolytics, same value obviously)  There's only one or two in the synth, but sure, replace those too. Use a heat sink on the leads when doing so to prevent loss of capacitance, tant's don't like heat.

- replace all the mylar capacitor with polypropylene or polystyrene Absolutely not, you risk losing character bit time, especially on the filters. Only replace if you have a bad one, and then try to find an old good one. Take my advice from experience.

- replace the few old trimmers That's a lot of work and expense, I'd only do it as required, not as a course of practice.

 Going to the boards behind the keyboard..

Regarding all M Boards:

-     replace all the electrolytics  Yes. Use audio grade on the filters and in the signal path, low impedance for the large decouplers

-      replace all the old trimmers too? As above, only as required.


Regarding the two KBC Boards:

-          replace all the electrolytics  Yes.

-          replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets and decopuling cap for the IC (like the boards under the keys) Yes to both. There is some decoupling on here already, but the additional ones at the chip can't hurt.

Of note:

 Be ready to find some dead ig00151 amplifiers on the M boards if you're not getting a signals. Mine (which was a basket case, admittedly) needed (45) ig00151 chips in the end. Yes, that's 45 chips, but that's not normal. Still, I had those along with one dead oscillator, one dead wsc, two dead filters, and one dead filter envelope chip. The only one on the M boards that didn't have a dead one was the amplifier envelope chips. You have to mentally either commit to owning a truly restored vintage CS80 including all the time and expense that entails, or give it to someone else that will. I made the decision to commit and have not regretted it once, quite the contrary, it's a stunningly beautiful instrument to play when hitting on all cylinders.

Also, be aware that the 151's can 'sort of' work, that is, they pass a signal, but are not controlling the envelopes properly or you can't get a full output level as you should. When everything is working properly, you should be able to calibrate the M boards per the manual. If you can 'almost' get a setting on a trimmer but run out of travel, something's wrong (and it could be the trimmer, have seen that too, there's a couple of failure modes for those).

There's a lot of errors in the manual. A major one of note I just spent a lot of time with is the VCA levels for the last two output chips on the M boards. The adjustment procedure calls out 400 mV and 80 mV respectively. That cannot possible be correct, you will have lots of 50/60 cycle hum in the output and a lot of noise in the OE effect section.

I tried several different combinations and settled on 900 mV and 250 mV pressing C4 with an 8 feet setting and a sine wave input and am happy with it. If you want a bit more bite and sizzle, the 900 mV can be increased a bit, maybe to 1200 mV. Over 1400 you will start getting some distortion on certain intense patches. I like a more mellow sound, and found the 900 mV setting to be a good compromise between output level, hum, and character.

I added led's on the M boards using the key trigger signal along with a regular diode and resistor. That mod was invaluable. I also added little hard point loops on the six main test points on the boards for grabbing them with a spring-loaded scope hook probe. WELL worth the effort.

Best of luck,

Scott

synthRodriguez


On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:55 AM pepeisnotadog@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi,


i have a CS-80 that needs a review. Unfortunately (not by me) has been left unused for a long time, 3 voices don’t work (and i hope they are not the Yamaha IC chips ..). In short, it’s a moral duty to bring it back to life.


My initial plan was this (but i ask you any advice):


1) start with power supply, replace old electrolytics cap. Are there any other parts that you recommend to change?

2) go to the five boards (KAS, SH, TKC and the two TSB) under the keyboard:

- replace all the electrolytics

- replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets)

- add decopuling cap for the IC (based on your experience is it better to buy “built-in sockets with caps” or solder the caps separately?)

 

Given that I am still defining the plan, do you also recommend these operations (or just some of them) for these five boards?

- replace old op amp

- replace old bjt

- replace all the ceramic disc capacitor (with dipped ceramic)

- replace all the "famous" tantalum capacitor (with polystyrene or polypropylene or aluminum electrolytics, same value obviously)

- replace all the mylar capacitor with polypropylene or polystyrene

- replace the few old trimmers

 

Going to the boards behind the keyboard..


Regarding all M Boards:

-     r  replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the old trimmers too?


Regarding the two KBC Boards:

-          replace all the electrolytics

-          replace all the CMOS (maybe installing new sockets and decopuling cap for the IC (like the boards under the keys)

 

I definitely forgot something, but i'm slowly making a plan before start any work on this beautiful machine. Of course I will surely meet some unexpected events during the overhaul;)

Sorry if i was too wordy, but this group is the right place to talk about it!

 

Best (and thanks in advance for your cooperation)


Mark

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-10 by pepeisnotadog@...

Wow Scott, a lot of info !!!! 
Thanks a lot for share your experience-based tips! Now i adjust my plan with your considerations.
Really, i've just a little 'fear for the ig00151, i'ill not be faced with a "massacre" (forgive me the term).
I will keep you all updated when i start the huge work, in the meantime if someone else wants to say his opinion is welcome.

Best

Mark

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-11 by D T

It’s not difficult to obtain an obscene amount of ig00151 ICs cheaply, if you are willing to kill off certain electone organ models. At least one model also has the VCFs (but not many). A kind soul in Montreal pointed me to this solution via this list many years ago….

Whatever happened to Old Crow’s project where he was actually making new replacement ICs (or at least M boards) for the CS series? Does anyone know?

Also - I agree about not replacing things that do not need to be replaced. But are there any parts that are time bombs that could potentially take out huge sections of a CS? I have a CS that got blown up in a recording studio years ago. Something went wrong and some diodes in the PSU went and then took out a lot of ICs on my M-boards along with them. I have this synth working now, and it has all new caps in the PSU and some new diodes, but I’m nervous about what might do similar damage next time...

best,

DT

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-01-11 by pepeisnotadog@...

Thanks DT for the reply!
And thanks for the tip about finding IG00151, i hope i'll find some economic solutions when (and if) i'll face these non-working chips ..

I know the wonderful and useful Old Crow's website, but actually i also couldn't find anything about the rebuilding of certain IC. Fingers crossed!

I understand very well the nightmare you have experienced in the studio ... As you say, it is precisely to avoid these things that we try to revise these instrument.
Then i think that even a minimum of luck maybe doesn't hurt... (i know that this sentence has little to do with electronics works ;))

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-03-22 by pepeisnotadog@...

Hi guys,


i have replaced all the "obsolete" components on CS-80 (el-cap, old CMOS, tantalium cap, etc) and install a lot of sockets etc etc. Now, I'm getting into the calibration nightmare! And of course the most difficult part is that of "Complete VCF Alignment". 


The value I can't set are the values ​​indicated in the manual, but I also struggle to reach those indicated in the photo within this group. I have a couple of doubts: is it correct to set the HPF for a voltage of 4Volt at FH terminal (resistor board) and then the LPF for a voltage of 3.3Volt at LH terminal? Because I saw that putting these cursors in half (as indicated in the CS-60 manual, different from CS-80) I can reach much higher values ​​close to those indicated. The other doubt concerns the other parameters to be set on the control panel (i know it is a silly and perhaps useless question but it is better to remove all doubt): Brilliance (at center) and Resonance (at max) are just two right at the preset switch right? But what about the "initial-after brillance" on the top right of the panel? I left them at minimum to avoid fluctuations due to the aftertouch .. is it correct?


Obviously I found some doubts also in the values of the VCA 3 # and VCA 4 # gains, I read that at least I'm not the only one to have had doubts about the indicated values..


This synth is a masterpiece, but how hard (and long) it is to achieve correct calibration! I thought that the replacement part of the components (several hundred) was the most tiring but maybe I was wrong;)


Best


Mark

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-03-23 by synthrodriguez@...

When I wrote 'filter types' above I meant the filter envelope type sliders (IL, AL, A, D, R) should be fully down.

Also note that bobbins CP2 and CP7 on the M cards are the same thing (they are connected through the wire harness) likewise CP3 and CP8 are connected and carry the same signal.

You have to read either CP2 or CP7 when setting up the HPF. The manual says CP3, that is incorrect for the HPF, but is correct for the LPF. 

If you're trying to read levels at CP3 for the HPF, you're never get the right reading, it's a typo error in the manual.

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-03-23 by pepeisnotadog@...

Thanks Scott!
I had read that there were errors in the manual about CP test points but I wanted to be sure ..

So the voltage at FH and FL have been reversed? The manual says 4.0 Volt for HPF but the correct ones would be 3.3 Volt, and viceversa the manual says 3.3 Volt for LPF but the correct ones would be 4.0 Volt? 

Now i understand why the calibration makes us crazy;)

And what is your experience about VCA 3 # (400 mV) and especially VCA 4 # (80mV) gains ?

Thanks again to share your experience and knowledge.

Best

Mark

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-03-23 by synthrodriguez@...

Mark:

I was in a rush and for that voltage backward, apologies. I deleted that message and corrected my error below. Thanks for calling me out on that, the manual voltages are correct.

When calibrating, the Brilliance lever should be centered and the Resonance should be at maximum (pulled fully toward you). All related sliders (filter types, initial level etc) should be at 0 or fully low.

When setting up the HPF, the two LFP sliders next to it on the panel (cutoff and resonance) should be fully up. Conversley, when setting up the LPF, the two HPF sliders next to it should be fully down. When setting up either filter, resonance for that filter should be fully up. 

For HPF, the voltage at the FH terminal on the R6 board should be +4.0 VDC . Once you set this exactly , measure the voltage at the wiper terminal on the filter slider. You can now use the wiper voltage to measure when setting up each voice. Mine is 4.625 VDC at the wiper when 4.0 on the R6 board. Do the same thing for the 3.3 VDC setting at the FL terminal for the low pass filter slider. My LPF wiper measures 3.925 VDC.

For the HPF, I set up max amplitude at 7.6 V p-p per the CS-50 setup sheet, not 4.3 VDC as on the CS-80 setup sheet which I believe is incorrect. The 4.3 setting just doesn't give you enough resonance. There's a blog on the web that says 8.4 V p-p is correct, but I found that too high. 7.6 is nice, 4.3 is anemic. Read the signal using the oscilloscope at the CP7 terminal on the M card for HPF and at the CP8 terminal for the LPF.

It is very important to make sure the wiper voltage is set exactly when adjusting each voice. If your pot is dirty and jumps around, even a little, take the time to tear it down and clean it. You will never have a CS-80 with even sounding resonance between voices if you don't have the wiper voltage the same exactly for each one, shoot for ± 0.020 VDC.

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-04-09 by pepeisnotadog@...

Hi guys,

the review of the CS-80 -on behalf of a friend- is at a stop point. 
There are 4 (!!!) dead Yamaha IG00153 VCO chips .. I don't know the history of this precise model, it arrived in conditions that are not exactly optimal, something will have caused the death of these chips .. I know they are nowhere to be found, but if for some reason someone you sell someone i'm here.
Too bad for the huge work done previously, including capacitors, op-amp, 4000 cmos series etc... You warned me that i would find some yamaha chips to replace, but the oscillators...what a pity!

Re: [yamahacs80] Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-04-09 by Scott Rodriguez

So, nothing at all coming out of Pin 7 on the 00153's?

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 3:10 AM pepeisnotadog@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi guys,


the review of the CS-80 -on behalf of a friend- is at a stop point. 
There are 4 (!!!) dead Yamaha IG00153 VCO chips .. I don't know the history of this precise model, it arrived in conditions that are not exactly optimal, something will have caused the death of these chips .. I know they are nowhere to be found, but if for some reason someone you sell someone i'm here.
Too bad for the huge work done previously, including capacitors, op-amp, 4000 cmos series etc... You warned me that i would find some yamaha chips to replace, but the oscillators...what a pity!

Re: CS-80: make a plan for a servicing

2019-04-10 by pepeisnotadog@...

exactly Scott, no signal from output at 7. I checked all others pin, i also tried temporarily to disconnect the VCO output from the next stage but no signal. By changing the IG00153 chip the card works. So for 4 M boards..

MIDIBoard for sale near San Diego

2019-04-14 by David Rogoff

Hi all! Just wanted to give the group first chance at the MIDIBoard I'm selling. It seems to be all working. I checked velocity and aftertouch on every key. Case has a bunch of little dings - mostly on the wood sides. Also including a set of V3.0 ROMs I never had time to install.

Too big/heavy to ship so only for pickup in Vista, CA - north San Diego County - near LegoLand :)


Photos (hope the link works!)  


Contact me with questions / offers.  I’ll give it a few days before I put it on eBay.

Thanks,

 David