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My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-19 by tommy salsero

The idea is to transcribe all the most famous cs80 Sounds to Patch sheets from Eddie Jobson,Vangelis,ELO and others.

I'm starting from E.L.O. one of my favorite groups, who have made an original use the CS80 on Discovery, Xanadu and Time.
Once ready I put the file with all patches sheet, track by track.
Each of you can help improve the patch sheet with suggestions.

After E.L.O. I thought of doing something of Eddie Jobson and Vangelis.

Obviously all of you can do the same, so as to contribute.
I think this group deserves something like that.

What other artists deserve attention for this project?

Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-19 by Wavecomputer360

In terms of Vangelis, it would suffice to stick with the presets as described in the owner´s manual...

Stephen


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The idea is to transcribe all the most famous cs80 Sounds to Patch sheets from Eddie Jobson,Vangelis,ELO and others.

I'm starting from E.L.O. one of my favorite groups, who have made an original use the CS80 on Discovery, Xanadu and Time.
Once ready I put the file with all patches sheet, track by track.
Each of you can help improve the patch sheet with suggestions.

After E.L.O. I thought of doing something of Eddie Jobson and Vangelis.

Obviously all of you can do the same, so as to contribute.
I think this group deserves something like that.

What other artists deserve attention for this project?






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Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-19 by Richard Atkinson

Vangelis surely adjusted the "Sustain" control in the performance section,
to introduce a bit of release into the presets. As I understand things, all
the presets on a polyphonic CS instrument have release set to zero.


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On Jul 19 2010, Wavecomputer360 wrote:

> In terms of Vangelis, it would suffice to stick with the presets as
> described in the owner´s manual...
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>Stephen
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tommy salsero
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 4:49 PM
> Subject: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet
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> The idea is to transcribe all the most famous cs80 Sounds to Patch
> sheets from Eddie Jobson,Vangelis,ELO and others.
>
> I'm starting from E.L.O. one of my favorite groups, who have made an
> original use the CS80 on Discovery, Xanadu and Time.
> Once ready I put the file with all patches sheet, track by track.
> Each of you can help improve the patch sheet with suggestions.
>
> After E.L.O. I thought of doing something of Eddie Jobson and Vangelis.
>
> Obviously all of you can do the same, so as to contribute.
> I think this group deserves something like that.
>
> What other artists deserve attention for this project?
>
>
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Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-19 by Laurie Curry

Don Airey, Stevie Wonder....


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From: tommy salsero <tommysalsero@...>
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Date: 07/19/2010 09:50
Subject: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet


The idea is to transcribe all the most famous cs80 Sounds to Patch sheets from Eddie Jobson,Vangelis,ELO and others.

I'm starting from E.L.O. one of my favorite groups, who have made an original use the CS80 on Discovery, Xanadu and Time.
Once ready I put the file with all patches sheet, track by track.
Each of you can help improve the patch sheet with suggestions.

After E.L.O. I thought of doing something of Eddie Jobson and Vangelis.

Obviously all of you can do the same, so as to contribute.
I think this group deserves something like that.

What other artists deserve attention for this project?








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Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-19 by Wavecomputer360

Oh yes, that´s right. Sustain Mode 2, and slider about two third up.

Now the Brian Eno patches could be a bit more interesting. There is one ambient CS80 track by him, I forgot the title, just two letters and three digits. What album is this on?

Stephen


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Vangelis surely adjusted the "Sustain" control in the performance section,
to introduce a bit of release into the presets. As I understand things, all
the presets on a polyphonic CS instrument have release set to zero.

On Jul 19 2010, Wavecomputer360 wrote:

> In terms of Vangelis, it would suffice to stick with the presets as
> described in the owner´s manual...
>
>Stephen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tommy salsero
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 4:49 PM
> Subject: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet
>
>
>
> The idea is to transcribe all the most famous cs80 Sounds to Patch
> sheets from Eddie Jobson,Vangelis,ELO and others.
>
> I'm starting from E.L.O. one of my favorite groups, who have made an
> original use the CS80 on Discovery, Xanadu and Time.
> Once ready I put the file with all patches sheet, track by track.
> Each of you can help improve the patch sheet with suggestions.
>
> After E.L.O. I thought of doing something of Eddie Jobson and Vangelis.
>
> Obviously all of you can do the same, so as to contribute.
> I think this group deserves something like that.
>
> What other artists deserve attention for this project?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-19 by Max Fazio

Nice idea, Tommy!
I'd add also Paul McCartney, Cat Stevens , Kate Bush, Steve Porcaro...
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Subject: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet



The idea is to transcribe all the most famous cs80 Sounds to Patch sheets from Eddie Jobson,Vangelis,ELO and others.

I'm starting from E.L.O. one of my favorite groups, who have made an original use the CS80 on Discovery, Xanadu and Time.
Once ready I put the file with all patches sheet, track by track.
Each of you can help improve the patch sheet with suggestions.

After E.L.O. I thought of doing something of Eddie Jobson and Vangelis.

Obviously all of you can do the same, so as to contribute.
I think this group deserves something like that.

What other artists deserve attention for this project?





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Remove legs from CS-60

2010-07-20 by David Bulog

Anyone know the correct procedure to safely remove legs from CS-60 for
transport
thanks
David

Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-20 by Wavecomputer360

It´s most definitely not Music for Airports as I´ve got this album. Eno used the ARP 2600 a lot on it ("lovely sound", as he said).

Stephen


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I'm betting it's one of the tracks on "Ambient 1: Music for Airports"

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:anfixqq5ldte

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Now the Brian Eno patches could be a bit more interesting. There is one ambient CS80 track by him, I forgot the title, just two letters and three digits. What album is this on?




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RE: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-20 by T.M. Bois

Eno used the CS80 a lot on "Before and After Science", "Music for Films", as well as on some of his collaborations with Cluster (i.e "After the Heat"). Generally speaking, late 70s.

From what I gather, he didn't believe in regular maintenance and enjoyed letting the synth slowly deteriorate and become increasingly unpredictable over time--something that I suspect would drive most of the people on this list absolutely bonkers ;)



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I'm betting it's one of the tracks on "Ambient 1: Music for Airports"



http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:anfixqq5ldte



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Now the Brian Eno patches could be a bit more interesting. There is one ambient CS80 track by him, I forgot the title, just two letters and three digits. What album is this on?




















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Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-20 by Wavecomputer360

(snip) From what I gather, he didn't believe in regular maintenance and enjoyed letting the synth slowly deteriorate and become increasingly unpredictable over time (snip)

Which wouldn´t be all too difficult with a CS80... even maintaining it didn´t keep things from going terribly, terribly wrong :-)...

Stephen



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I'm betting it's one of the tracks on "Ambient 1: Music for Airports"

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:anfixqq5ldte

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Now the Brian Eno patches could be a bit more interesting. There is one ambient CS80 track by him, I forgot the title, just two letters and three digits. What album is this on?

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RE: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-20 by Synth80s

Oops!

You know what's interesting about this (for me, anyhow)? Listening to your favorite albums and knowing what synths they used, you can get a mental picture of what a given synth sounds like in typical situations (i.e. the sounds that make a synth famous lik a hard-synced P5 lead), but it's not as easy to picture the same synths being used in less typical applications. As a guy who previously owned a CS-80, I have a good feeling for what it sounds like generally, but I've never touched an ARP 2600. So, in my brain, a 2600 sounds like all the hard, pulsing, filter-chomping noises and analog percussion one hears on Depeche Mode records (and I love those sounds, BTW) and maybe a little Zawinul from Weather Report, but it never occured to me that Music For Airports could be a 2600. Of course I know it's possible and that's what makes ownership of a classic synth different than casual listening, but the 2600 wouldn't have been my 1st (or 4th or 5th) guess. Hopefully that makes sense...

I can't imagine someone making analog percussion loops out of a CS-80, for example, because a CS-80 is all Vangelis leads, lush pads and crazy ring mod, don't you know. ;-) Then again, I'm sure someobody's done it!
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It´s most definitely not Music for Airports as I´ve got this album. Eno used the ARP 2600 a lot on it ("lovely sound", as he said).

Stephen

Re: [yamahacs80] My new crazy project: The CS80 historic patch sheet

2010-07-22 by Wavecomputer360

In fact -- and strangely enough -- the ARP 2600 and the CS80 can sound very similar. I don´t know why that is as they are both completely different in terms of architecture and performance but there´s something equally organic about the sound quality of the ARP. I was mixing some new music recently where I had used the 2600 for a three-oscillator bass drone, and within the mix you could very easily mistake it for a CS80 bass. There´s some acoustic quality to both instrument which I find lacking with many other synthesisers.

The 2600 can sound hard and very electronic but so can the CS80... hey, I even used it for some more percussive tones as well (but never recorded these as my timing was too weak). There was a CS60 demo on the "Synthesizer von Gestern" CDs by Matthias Becker which used the 60 for a variety of electronic percussion tones which all sounded *very* convincing.

Stephen


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Oops!

You know what's interesting about this (for me, anyhow)? Listening to your favorite albums and knowing what synths they used, you can get a mental picture of what a given synth sounds like in typical situations (i.e. the sounds that make a synth famous lik a hard-synced P5 lead), but it's not as easy to picture the same synths being used in less typical applications. As a guy who previously owned a CS-80, I have a good feeling for what it sounds like generally, but I've never touched an ARP 2600. So, in my brain, a 2600 sounds like all the hard, pulsing, filter-chomping noises and analog percussion one hears on Depeche Mode records (and I love those sounds, BTW) and maybe a little Zawinul from Weather Report, but it never occured to me that Music For Airports could be a 2600. Of course I know it's possible and that's what makes ownership of a classic synth different than casual listening, but the 2600 wouldn't have been my 1st (or 4th or 5th) guess. Hopefully that makes sense...

I can't imagine someone making analog percussion loops out of a CS-80, for example, because a CS-80 is all Vangelis leads, lush pads and crazy ring mod, don't you know. ;-) Then again, I'm sure someobody's done it!
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It´s most definitely not Music for Airports as I´ve got this album. Eno used the ARP 2600 a lot on it ("lovely sound", as he said).

Stephen





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