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#1591 at the doctor´s

#1591 at the doctor´s

2007-09-22 by Wavecomputer360

Hi everybody,

I just took my CS80, serial number 1591, to a tech in the Netherlands to have it thoruoghly overhauled. He was recommended to me by various CS80 owners in The Netherlands, and according to him my CS was number 15 in one and a half year´s time (and, as he added to my pleasure, the nicest-looking he had ever seen).

Let´s keep all fingers crossed that there are no hidden defects which will surface after the obvious ones have been fixed.

Stephen

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Re: #1591 at the doctor?s

2007-09-22 by blchrr@homecall.co.uk

Ill keep my fingers crossed for you.. Im picking up my 80 and Synthex this
week back from restoration.. happy days... :)

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> Hi everybody,
>
> I just took my CS80, serial number 1591, to a tech in the Netherlands to have it thoruoghly overhauled. He was recommended to me by various CS80 owners in The Netherlands, and according to him my CS was number 15 in one and a half year´s time (and, as he added to my pleasure, the nicest-looking he had ever seen).
>
> Let´s keep all fingers crossed that there are no hidden defects which will surface after the obvious ones have been fixed.
>
> Stephen
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> "Pay your respect to the vultures, for they are your future." (Jhonn Balance / Coil)
>
> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks.
>
> It´s out: [´ramp] & markus reuter -- "ceasing to exist", a gorgeous dark ambient album. available through our webshop at www.doombient.com
>
> For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



Regards,
Rob Belcher
www.myspace.com/duplx

Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-24 by Quazimodo

Hey guys,

All you CS80 owners who recently had yours in for 'restoration' - did
any of the techs have to replace any of the IC's..?
Oscillator, Waveshape Convertor, Filter or VCA etc..?
Would be interesting to know, do the tech's have a source of these.

Thanks.
TOM





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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, blchrr@... wrote:
>
> Ill keep my fingers crossed for you.. Im picking up my 80 and
Synthex this
> week back from restoration.. happy days... :)
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I just took my CS80, serial number 1591, to a tech in the
Netherlands to have it thoruoghly overhauled. He was recommended to me
by various CS80 owners in The Netherlands, and according to him my CS
was number 15 in one and a half year´s time (and, as he added to my
pleasure, the nicest-looking he had ever seen).
> >
> > Let´s keep all fingers crossed that there are no hidden defects
which will surface after the obvious ones have been fixed.
> >
> > Stephen

Re: [yamahacs80] Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-24 by Bernard Jeffries

Check out Scott Rider's great site: http://www.cs80.com/ which lists replacement chips, etc.

Quazimodo <noddyspuncture@...> wrote: Hey guys,

All you CS80 owners who recently had yours in for 'restoration' - did
any of the techs have to replace any of the IC's..?
Oscillator, Waveshape Convertor, Filter or VCA etc..?
Would be interesting to know, do the tech's have a source of these.

Thanks.
TOM

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--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, blchrr@... wrote:
>
> Ill keep my fingers crossed for you.. Im picking up my 80 and
Synthex this
> week back from restoration.. happy days... :)
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I just took my CS80, serial number 1591, to a tech in the
Netherlands to have it thoruoghly overhauled. He was recommended to me
by various CS80 owners in The Netherlands, and according to him my CS
was number 15 in one and a half year´s time (and, as he added to my
pleasure, the nicest-looking he had ever seen).
> >
> > Let´s keep all fingers crossed that there are no hidden defects
which will surface after the obvious ones have been fixed.
> >
> > Stephen






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Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-24 by blchrr@homecall.co.uk

Hey man,

The guy whos done my unit, Kent Spong, has a load of spares, loads of voice
cards etc. I dont think he had to replace any of the IG series chips in
mine. I dont think he would sell any of his spares though, all that stuff is
like gold dust...
You could email him and ask, im pretty sure he is on this list, dont know if
he has time to check his emails though, im sure he is wadding knee deep in
20 or 30 CS80s at the moment (NO im not kidding lol...)

Its definately worth having some of your own spares kicking around, i have 6
spare voice cards that came out of a CS60 with some issues. I know some guys
will hate me for saying it, but if you find a tatty CS60 or CS50 with
problems, it would be a great parts machine for a Cs80.. Only problem is
CS60s are not cheap any more.. Ive stripped out 3 not working CS60s for
parts in the last 2-3 years, sold some voice cards and stuff on Ebay and
kept enough to keep my unit working..
I also lucked onto some cheap TRG boards from an 80 a few years back (they
are the aftertouch boards, with loads of VCAs on them) so i have a load of
VCAs too.. I think they were about $75 a board..
Christ knows how anyone could strip an 80 though...

But there is no source for nos Yamaha ICs. They are long gone.
It remains to be seen if Yamaha will fabricate some new ICs, there was some
talk a few years ago that they might consider doing a run of the later spec
VCO chips, highly unlikely me thinks, but you never know..

I wonder if voice cards could be made that could be drop in replacements
based on discreet components? Juergen, Scott, Kent any of you guys think
that could be done?

Cheers,
Rob.

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> Hey guys,
>
> All you CS80 owners who recently had yours in for 'restoration' - did
> any of the techs have to replace any of the IC's..?
> Oscillator, Waveshape Convertor, Filter or VCA etc..?
> Would be interesting to know, do the tech's have a source of these.
>
> Thanks.
> TOM
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, blchrr@... wrote:
>>
>> Ill keep my fingers crossed for you.. Im picking up my 80 and
> Synthex this
>> week back from restoration.. happy days... :)
>>
>> > Hi everybody,
>> >
>> > I just took my CS80, serial number 1591, to a tech in the
> Netherlands to have it thoruoghly overhauled. He was recommended to me
> by various CS80 owners in The Netherlands, and according to him my CS
> was number 15 in one and a half year´s time (and, as he added to my
> pleasure, the nicest-looking he had ever seen).
>> >
>> > Let´s keep all fingers crossed that there are no hidden defects
> which will surface after the obvious ones have been fixed.
>> >
>> > Stephen
>
>



Regards,
Rob Belcher
www.myspace.com/duplx

Re: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-24 by Scott Rider

This has been a long-standing project of mine, to make an M board
using non-custom parts. I know how to make the VCO & transposer; I know
how to make the VCFs; I know how to make the EGs. The only thing left
is making the VCAs which, while the ostensibly the simplest, really need
to exhibit the closest possible behavior to the IG00151 as the signal
path of each board uses 4 of them. (There are 6 on each board, but 2 of
them are used by the EGs).

Crow
/**/

blchrr@... wrote:
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>
> I wonder if voice cards could be made that could be drop in replacements
> based on discreet components? Juergen, Scott, Kent any of you guys think
> that could be done?
>
>

Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-24 by David Rogoff

Hi Scott.

It's good to know you're still working on this! Any plans for
additional features beyond the original M-Board? I'd really like to see
a Moog-ladder filter on board. This is one really nice feature of
Arturia's VST. Also, two, tunable VCOs per board would be great. It
would let you have much more flexibility than the fixed tunings of the
Feet selectors and give a massive four VCOs per note!

David

Scott Rider wrote:
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> This has been a long-standing project of mine, to make an M board
> using non-custom parts. I know how to make the VCO & transposer; I know
> how to make the VCFs; I know how to make the EGs. The only thing left
> is making the VCAs which, while the ostensibly the simplest, really need
> to exhibit the closest possible behavior to the IG00151 as the signal
> path of each board uses 4 of them. (There are 6 on each board, but 2 of
> them are used by the EGs).
>
> Crow
> /**/
>
> blchrr@... wrote:
>
>> I wonder if voice cards could be made that could be drop in replacements
>> based on discreet components? Juergen, Scott, Kent any of you guys think
>> that could be done?
>>

Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by blchrr@homecall.co.uk

Hi Scott,

Thats really interesting, do you think a discreet based m-board would be the
same size as the original voice cards? A drop in replacement?
This is great news for 80 owners, do you think you will sell replacement
voice cards or maybe make available unpopulated pcbs to the community in the
future? (with maybe parts list and instructions on how to populate the pcb?)

Regards,
Rob Belcher
www.myspace.com/duplx


Show quoted textHide quoted text
> This has been a long-standing project of mine, to make an M board
> using non-custom parts. I know how to make the VCO & transposer; I know
> how to make the VCFs; I know how to make the EGs. The only thing left
> is making the VCAs which, while the ostensibly the simplest, really need
> to exhibit the closest possible behavior to the IG00151 as the signal
> path of each board uses 4 of them. (There are 6 on each board, but 2 of
> them are used by the EGs).
>
> Crow
> /**/
>
> blchrr@... wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if voice cards could be made that could be drop in replacements
>> based on discreet components? Juergen, Scott, Kent any of you guys think
>> that could be done?
>>
>>
>

Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by Scott Rider

I have no plan for designs beyond the standard M board at this time.
I need to proof and verify that the basic voice card works "as
advertised" so that actually using it to replace broken cards means the
machine still sounds like a CS-50/60/80. Later, perhaps I will indulge
in different filters, more VCOs, etc.

At the moment, my prototype is an old TX-816 rack frame where the
TF-1s (DX voice engines) have all been pulled in favor of boards I made
to test the M board equivalent circuits. Two M board structures per
frame card. I call this thing the CSR-80, because 1) my initials are
CSR and 2) it is a CS-(R)ack frame-80. ;) It is not fully operational
yet, but it does work after a fashion.

The EGs btw are (lowers voice to a mumble) *digital*, using PICs and
calculated rate tables similar to the EG-S chip of a DX voice engine.
They work very well, and if I didn't tell folks now they're calculated
envelopes no one would know without back-tracing the circuit. ;) If it
was an EG that needed to have decay/release rates longer than 10sec
(attack rates are only 0.1sec to 1sec as per Yamaha design) then I would
need more resolution, but this is one area of analog synthesizer voicing
where the microcontroller makes a definite improvement. Making a pure
discrete analog IG00159 EG was taking far too many parts.

Crow
/**/

David Rogoff wrote:
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> Hi Scott.
>
> It's good to know you're still working on this! Any plans for
> additional features beyond the original M-Board? I'd really like to see
> a Moog-ladder filter on board. This is one really nice feature of
> Arturia's VST. Also, two, tunable VCOs per board would be great. It
> would let you have much more flexibility than the fixed tunings of the
> Feet selectors and give a massive four VCOs per note!
>
> David
>
>

Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by David Rogoff

Scott Rider wrote:
> I have no plan for designs beyond the standard M board at this time.
> I need to proof and verify that the basic voice card works "as
> advertised" so that actually using it to replace broken cards means the
> machine still sounds like a CS-50/60/80.
Seems very reasonable!
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> The EGs btw are (lowers voice to a mumble) *digital*, using PICs and
> calculated rate tables similar to the EG-S chip of a DX voice engine.
A couple of questions here. How fast are the envelope samples? What
kind of digital/analog interpolation/smoothing are you using? Also,
I've thought many times about replacing most of the KAS and KBC boards
with one, cheap FPGA. The problem is that the CS80 runs all the digital
logic off +8.5v/-6.5v (= 15volt supply) to interface with the analog
stuff and modern digital chips will fry at any anything over 3.3v. How
do you handle the PIC? Outboard DAC? A billion level shifters?

Thanks & good work!

David

Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by Jeroen

Interesting reads!

Here¹s what I¹m wondering, reading posts like these and Crow¹s ­ while most
of it goes way over my head, how far fetched is the idea of a cloned CS80?
As a midi module? (Even though it maybe as expensive or even more expensive
than a real one, it would be new and serviceable I guess?) In my (very
limited) brain, if you have thee voice cards, you have the sound source.
Hook it up to Midi, perhaps a memory to store a zillion presets etc..


Jeroen




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On 9/25/07 5:51 PM, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Scott Rider wrote:
>> > I have no plan for designs beyond the standard M board at this time.
>> > I need to proof and verify that the basic voice card works "as
>> > advertised" so that actually using it to replace broken cards means the
>> > machine still sounds like a CS-50/60/80.
> Seems very reasonable!
>> >
>> > The EGs btw are (lowers voice to a mumble) *digital*, using PICs and
>> > calculated rate tables similar to the EG-S chip of a DX voice engine.
> A couple of questions here. How fast are the envelope samples? What
> kind of digital/analog interpolation/smoothing are you using? Also,
> I've thought many times about replacing most of the KAS and KBC boards
> with one, cheap FPGA. The problem is that the CS80 runs all the digital
> logic off +8.5v/-6.5v (= 15volt supply) to interface with the analog
> stuff and modern digital chips will fry at any anything over 3.3v. How
> do you handle the PIC? Outboard DAC? A billion level shifters?
>
> Thanks & good work!
>
> David
>
>



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Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by OH

replacing all the other boards than the ones involved with sound creation
with one FPGA sounds like a sensible choice and may even motivate me
to finally buy one of these beasts, lol...

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To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?



Interesting reads!

Here¹s what I¹m wondering, reading posts like these and Crow¹s ­ while most
of it goes way over my head, how far fetched is the idea of a cloned CS80?
As a midi module? (Even though it maybe as expensive or even more expensive
than a real one, it would be new and serviceable I guess?) In my (very
limited) brain, if you have thee voice cards, you have the sound source.
Hook it up to Midi, perhaps a memory to store a zillion presets etc..

Jeroen

On 9/25/07 5:51 PM, "David Rogoff" <david@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Scott Rider wrote:
>> > I have no plan for designs beyond the standard M board at this time.
>> > I need to proof and verify that the basic voice card works "as
>> > advertised" so that actually using it to replace broken cards means the
>> > machine still sounds like a CS-50/60/80.
> Seems very reasonable!
>> >
>> > The EGs btw are (lowers voice to a mumble) *digital*, using PICs and
>> > calculated rate tables similar to the EG-S chip of a DX voice engine.
> A couple of questions here. How fast are the envelope samples? What
> kind of digital/analog interpolation/smoothing are you using? Also,
> I've thought many times about replacing most of the KAS and KBC boards
> with one, cheap FPGA. The problem is that the CS80 runs all the digital
> logic off +8.5v/-6.5v (= 15volt supply) to interface with the analog
> stuff and modern digital chips will fry at any anything over 3.3v. How
> do you handle the PIC? Outboard DAC? A billion level shifters?
>
> Thanks & good work!
>
> David
>
>

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Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by Scott Rider

A PIC EG runs on 5V which I obtain using a local regulator. The
output of the EG is a 10-bit PWM signal that is integrated into an
usable voltage. The phase accumulator outputs samples (curves are
interpolated from lookup tables) at a rate of 20KHz. Tom Wiltshire of
SDIY is the one who did the grunt work on this kind of retrofit EG; he
has examples at his web site, electricdruid.net

I designed a KAS replacement, which I need to build one of these
days. It uses discrete DACs and my favorite sneaky way of doing level
shifting of bipolar logic: RS232 chips. (The venerable MC1488, MC1489).

Crow
/**/


David Rogoff wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
>> The EGs btw are (lowers voice to a mumble) *digital*, using PICs and
>> calculated rate tables similar to the EG-S chip of a DX voice engine.
>>
> A couple of questions here. How fast are the envelope samples? What
> kind of digital/analog interpolation/smoothing are you using? Also,
> I've thought many times about replacing most of the KAS and KBC boards
> with one, cheap FPGA. The problem is that the CS80 runs all the digital
> logic off +8.5v/-6.5v (= 15volt supply) to interface with the analog
> stuff and modern digital chips will fry at any anything over 3.3v. How
> do you handle the PIC? Outboard DAC? A billion level shifters?
>
>

Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-25 by Max Fazio

>>I designed a KAS replacement, which I need to build one of these
days<<

Scott, I'm trying to have similar results through Reaktor: did you understand the logic behind the KAS ( cycle and assignment according to "most recently used" voice cards, I guess?) because I'd like to render it inside the reaktor then overcoming the inbuilt cycle voice assignment.
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From: Scott Rider
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Crow's replacement M-boardRe: [yamahacs80] Re: Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?


A PIC EG runs on 5V which I obtain using a local regulator. The
output of the EG is a 10-bit PWM signal that is integrated into an
usable voltage. The phase accumulator outputs samples (curves are
interpolated from lookup tables) at a rate of 20KHz. Tom Wiltshire of
SDIY is the one who did the grunt work on this kind of retrofit EG; he
has examples at his web site, electricdruid.net

I designed a KAS replacement, which I need to build one of these
days. It uses discrete DACs and my favorite sneaky way of doing level
shifting of bipolar logic: RS232 chips. (The venerable MC1488, MC1489).

Crow
/**/

David Rogoff wrote:
>
>> The EGs btw are (lowers voice to a mumble) *digital*, using PICs and
>> calculated rate tables similar to the EG-S chip of a DX voice engine.
>>
> A couple of questions here. How fast are the envelope samples? What
> kind of digital/analog interpolation/smoothing are you using? Also,
> I've thought many times about replacing most of the KAS and KBC boards
> with one, cheap FPGA. The problem is that the CS80 runs all the digital
> logic off +8.5v/-6.5v (= 15volt supply) to interface with the analog
> stuff and modern digital chips will fry at any anything over 3.3v. How
> do you handle the PIC? Outboard DAC? A billion level shifters?
>
>





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Re: [yamahacs80] Did any of your CS80 *restorations* involve new IC's...?

2007-09-26 by Tim Siefkes

Hey Q.,

In my case, when I had my CS80 restored two yrs ago (summer 2005) it had
been sitting dormant in the Anvil road case for years. I pulled it out
to use in a "reunion" gig with some old band mates of mine and of course
the tuning was dreadful. My tech went through and scaled all the voices
and did a really fine job, making the unit sound to me better than it
ever had. The only parts he had to replace were many of the trim pots on
the cards, but no semiconductor parts, to my knowledge. FYI, my total
cost for the service was $800, which seemed like a lot at first, but
when I figured it works out to only $50 per voice card, it's not bad at
all. It's nice having it back and usable again!

-Tim S.
<Minneapolis, MN>


Quazimodo wrote:
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>
> Hey guys,
>
> All you CS80 owners who recently had yours in for 'restoration' - did
> any of the techs have to replace any of the IC's..?
> Oscillator, Waveshape Convertor, Filter or VCA etc..?
> Would be interesting to know, do the tech's have a source of these.
>
>



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