Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

i dont think its nesecary to understand music in terms of harmony or musical 
teory, espacialy if we talk about electronic music, of course its nesecary 
to have ears wich can decide if to sounds go in harmony...
i agree that its nesecary to have a keyboard if you work with melodic 
instruments. if you want to use an xx7, without any musical understanding 
you have the wrong gear. you better start with some loop based software and 
libaries, then start to put some notes, basslines, pads in there to see if 
you have the right ears... if you feel like you have the talent you gonna 
know your limits and maybe then you gonna start to take some lessons to 
break them...
remember j. hendrix didnt know absolutly nothing about musical teory [he 
didnt pretend to learn playing the guitar in one day either]
i think everything is possible, its a question of talent... there are a lot 
of people making music wich do not understand anything about music teory [of 
course not all of them are good musicians, but some are]

>From: "bluetechnics" <ksellers88@...>
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] Re: Dumb man wants to make trance music...
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:53:53 -0000
>
>It sounds like your trying to make music without wanting to learn the
>fundamentals. If you want to make music you need to at least learn the
>basics. Once you learn the basics you'll be able to put together a
>basic groove. I know most of the factory patterns on the XL-7 are not
>your style ( I'm not sure if they're anybody's style) but they
>patterns are a good starting point to learn how grooves are put together.
>If you examine the patterns you'll see how the grooves are built. You
>may also notice that the programmers know more than just the basics.
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "u_ri_p_ui" <u_ri_p_ui@y...> wrote:
> > I've attached the original German version of my posting to assure
> > that I haven't translated something wrong. Perhaps someone of you can
> > understand German.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > you know, I always wonder, why there are so few mp3s, that are made
> > exclusively from the XL-7. And a big part of the existing mp3s for
> > that are rather experiments than real, complete songs. I've listend
> > to rEalm's mp3: "rEalm__Transistions_Live_PA.mp3", and I'm completley
> > amazed about that quality. Great sounds, good effects. But,
> > unfortunately, it's not my music style. I rather tend to progressive
> > trance and chill-out, how the German group "Schiller" does that. Why
> > are there no _complete_ progressive-trance-mp3-mixes, which are
> > exclusively made with the XL-7??? Why not? Why doesn't exist
> > something like "Osteen__TussinSpace_2.mp3" only made with the XL-7?
> > No one can tell me, that there are so few people working with the XL-
> > 7. Or many are working with it, but don't want to give away their
> > songs because they fear any imitations or such things.
> >
> > My problem is that I own such a XL-7 and like to make music with it.
> > Of course, progressive trance and Schiller-chill.out. But, I don't
> > have any ideas how. I don't have time or pleasure, to learn the
> > complete harmonic-theory or to visit a music-school. In the internet
> > I already have found some documents about that, and I read over them
> > rapidly. I notice what's a rhythm, and notice, if notes sounds wrong.
> > EVERY TIME, when I ask, how I should start making a trance-song, I'm
> > always told that I should listen to songs I like ever and ever again,
> > and imitate them. Great suggestion. How should I do that? I even
> > can't manage the find out the notes for a simple arpeggio or lead-
> > pattern out off such songs. I even can't get a groovy kick-hihat-
> > pattern together, that sounds professional. Why are there no midi-
> > files for real, professional Trance-Songs? The componosts must save
> > their works somewhere. But, it has something to do with that they
> > don't want that someone steals their ideas. Good, ok, I understand
> > that. But why is there no step-by-step-tutorial, how to build a
> > complete trance-piece from scratch? There's simply no one. For every
> > other shit, there is somewhere a tutorial, but not for such things.
> >
> > If someone tells me now, I should take "Magix Music Maker" and become
> > happy, I'm going mad. Why does nobody want to help? Why only the
> > response: "Listen to your favourite songs and imitate them"?
> >
> > People, please, don't let my die dumb...
> >
> >
> > Thanks and cheers,
> > Uri
> >
> > BTW.: I hate soft-synths and FruityLoops!
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hi zusammen,
> >
> > wisst Ihr, ich habe mich immer gefragt, wieso es so wenige MP3s gibt,
> > die ausschlie\ufffdlich aus der XL-7 stammen. Und von den MP3s, die es
> > daf\ufffdr gibt, sind ein Gro\ufffdteil eher Experimente statt richtige,
> > fertige Songs. Ich habe mir von rEalm sein MP3-Mix: -
> > "rEalm__Transitions_Live_PA.mp3" angeh\ufffdrt, und bin restlos von
> > dessen Qualit\ufffdt begeistert. Astreine Sounds, gute Effekte. Leider
> > nicht mein Musikstil. Ich tendiere eher zu Progressive Trance und
> > Chill-Out, so wie es die Deutsche Gruppe "Schiller" macht. Warum gibt
> > es keine _kompletten_ Progressive-Trance-MP3-Mixes, welche aus einer
> > XL-7 stammen??? Warum nicht? Warum gibt es nicht sowas
> > wie "Osteen__TussinSpace_2.mp3" nur von der XL-7? Es kann mir keiner
> > erz\ufffdhlen, dass nur sowenige Leute mit der XL-7 arbeiten.
> > Oder viele arbeiten doch damit und wollen nur nicht deren Songs
> > rausgeben, aus Angst vor Nachmachern oder so.
> >
> > Mein Problem ist, dass ich selber solch eine XL-7 besitze und gerne
> > damit Musik machen m\ufffdchte. Nat\ufffdrlich Progressive Trance und
> > Schiller-Chill-Out. Nur habe ich null Ahnung wie. Ich habe wirklich
> > keine Zeit und Lust, mich komplett in die Harmonielehre einzulesen
> > oder 'ne Musikschule zu besuchen. Im Internet habe ich bereits in
> > einige Texte dar\ufffdber gefunden und \ufffdberflogen. Ich merke, was
> > ein
> > Rhythmus ist, und merke, wenn Noten falsch klingen. JEDESMAL, wenn
> > ich frage, wie ich anfangen soll, ein Trance-St\ufffdck zu machen, wird
> > immer gesagt, dass ich Songs, die gut finde immer wieder anh\ufffdren
> > soll, und dann diesen Song nachmachen soll. Toller Vorschlag. Wie
> > soll ich das machen? Ich kriege ja noch nicht mal die Noten f\ufffdr
> > einen
> > einfachen Arpeggio oder Lead-Pattern aus solchen Songs raus. Ich
> > kriege noch nicht mal einen groovigen Kick-HiHat-Pattern hin, welcher
> > professionell klingt. Warum gibt es f\ufffdr richtig professionelle
> > Trance- Songs keine MIDI-Dateien?
> > Die Komponisten m\ufffdssen doch ihre Arbeiten auch irgendwie
> > speichern. Aber das hat bestimmt damit was zu tun, dass sie nicht
> > m\ufffdchten, dass jemand deren Ideen klaut. Gut, ok, das verstehe ich.
> > Aber wieso gibt es dann kein Schritt-f\ufffdr-Schritt-Tutorial, wie man
> > ein komplettes Trance-St\ufffdck von Anfang an zusammenbastelt? Gibt's
> > einfach nicht. F\ufffdr jeden anderen Schei\ufffd gibt es irgendein
> > Tutorial, nur f\ufffdr sowas nicht.
> >
> > Wenn jetzt noch einer ankommt, und mir sagt, ich solle "Magix Music
> > Maker" nehmen und gl\ufffdcklich werden, dann raste ich aus. Warum will
> > da niemand helfen?
> >
> > Warum nur die Antwort: "H\ufffdre Dir Deine Lieblingsst\ufffdcke an und
> > mache die nach"?
> >
> > Leute, lasst mich bitte nicht dumm sterben...
> >
> >
> > Danke und Gru\ufffd,
> > Uri
> >
> > PS.: Ich hasse Softsynths und FruityLoops!
> >
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